Player Poaching

Yes.

You sure EG ?

A game like the Chile one I would have thought no, but the Serbia game was a FIFA sanctioned cap wasn't it ?

Aargh, you're gonna make me search for FIFA regulations now. And I've got other crap to do.

Meh. Football takes precedence.

Well sooooorrry! Haha

 

From the FIFA Statutes, Article 15 section 2 (2008 edition, before the change in U21 declarations rules):

With the exception of the conditions specified in article 18 below, any
Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in
part) in an official competition of any category or any type of football
for one Association may not play an international match for a
representative team of another Association.


Note the stress on official (i.e. part of officially sanctioned international competition), friendlies do not fall into this category.el grapadura2010-06-24 11:14:31

90% of the games are competition games.

Correct,most games are competition. Think about all the qualifying for and playing in euro and the world cup. Its really only NZ that doesnt play much...

  Wibblebutt2010-06-24 11:15:10

No, there's no distinction between caps like that - a friendly cap is the same as a competition cap in that respect - just for the purposes of eligibility, the cap has to be of an official nature to prevent a player from playing for a different country he's also eligible to represent.

Can you explain what is meant in the bolded bits.

Beach football, futsal, etc.

Hang on. So if Reid had played a beach football international for denmark...he couldnt play for the All Whites?  surely I read that wrong

He couldn't play for the NZ beach football team.

Hmm i still read that different. But yeah seems silly,so your interpretation must surely be right (and i get the feeling you know for sure also)

I am wondering if the wording in bold could also be interpreted to include a friendly match.

Surely you represent your country even if it is a friendly.

Well, I've given the commonly accepted interpretation of the statute. Just to give an example, Bosnia gave a two minute sub appearance to Stoke keeper Asmir Begovic in a WC qualifier last year to tie him to Bosnia, becuase he's also eligible for Canada (and had in fact represented them at age-group levels). They clearly wouldn't have bothered with that if all they had to do was play him in a friendly.

But FIFA are certainly renowned for regulations with double meaning and subtle ambiguities (just remember the away goals debacle for the World Cup play-off), so you can never really be certain unless you try to legally test them.

I stick to my opinion, Those who do not understand, understand this, we cannot rely on the likes of Grammar schools, we need people like Wynton who show passion and has done so much for world football (not an exaggeration). The fact is we need  a development TEAM to play in a league of some sort. Stick to the forum subject gtdking2010-06-24 23:57:48

Is there an example of any player out there who's played any number of friendlies for a senior team and then be capped in official matches by another nation he was eligible to represent?

I dont think anyone knows what you are on about,so how can we stick to the subject. Tegal2010-06-25 05:10:20

Isn't the 2008 edition, outdated EG?

Can't bother looking at the latest regulation at the moment, but I understood that it depends on whether an international is classified as an "A" international match which includes some friendlies. So it is between the two association playing the match on whether the match is an "A" international classified match and then any new players are playing in that match means automatically they play for that country only. If one association does not agree that the match is not an "A" international match then it is not registered with FIFA as an "A" international match by a specified time period and it does not matter in this change of international context because it is not important enough.

How smart they were those "Algerians"... didnt have to fly home economy


hepatitis2010-06-25 20:40:29

Very generous on a mediocre player...is worth his while at Nix as he is the only left footed player (defender) we have, therefore the balance is affected when he's not there, but he's far from great


Dougie Rydal2010-06-25 10:34:53

Vaguely remember this happening in the late 1990s - can't recall who the player was, but think one of the Home Nations and a Carribbean nation were involved.

It's the latest one available that I could find. Haven't heard of any changes in respect of this issue in the meantime.

In light of this, are there any Kiwi's who've been capped by Australia or another side in only friendlies that anyone can think of?

I've thought of Archie Thompson who is eligible for NZ, but who's played more official games for Aus then you can poke a stick at.  Don't want him anyway.  But other than that, nobody.

What are Paston's chances of being poached by someone? While he did a good/great job in the last 2 games, is he actually as good as these performances made him look?

Honest question as I haven't really seen him play much until recently and don't know enough about the game. But there seemed to be quite a bit of negativity about his play here.

I'm going with not huge. He was immense, and many teams around the world would love to have him after these performances at the cup.

However, he seems happy to be in Wellington. Same could be said for many players, however he is settled with a new family, and spending time outside of football (ie while he was injured) working for an IT firm in Wellington- so a likely future career path for him.

In saying this, money talks and if he was offered a decent sum he'd be silly not to take it up, but three games doesn't always make a signing in a decent league (and you have to keep in mind here that he was second choice keeper at the Nix). It may get you noticed in a 'money' league, but I can't see him wanting to move his family to the likes of the Gulf, or China etc.

Do you think the offers will come though? Is he regarded as a good keeper, and if he is just average (as some have suggested on here), then would having 2/3 great games at the World Cup under pressure be more important than past performances? ie. Are those performances largely ignored by "talent scouts"?

Ricki set to coach Liverpool, as broken by GCW tonight. 

A real scoop or a sick joke?

I can't tell from their Tweet which says "Ricki to coach Liverpool, pass it on" as if everything they say must be taken as gospel with nothing to back it up. No I didn't see the show but the tweet in isolation suggests we should take that alone as proof.

How is Ricki going to deal with all those egos?

Herbert is to good for liverpool hahahah

Ricki certainly wont be coaching liverpool. I read an interesting article the other day (in London Evening Standard) that had Ricki Herbert as the lowest paid Coach at the WC at �25k. Capello gets paid �6m. He does deserve ai bigger opportunity, if its in the UK he'd be stoked/lucky to get a championship team.

So what's CGW on about? Is it April 1 on Mars or something?

I have mentioned this before.
At the start of the A lesgue last year Paston was very poor, but as the season went on he got better and better. He is not world class but I reckon he is our best keeper by a mile, and he has proved it in the last 6 months.

He's not a mile better than Moss, Leggy. Both have performed very well for the AWs and the Nix, and both have on occasions been prone to the odd blunder.