Just read an article about concerns of player poaching from the phoenix. Well this is football and that is the way it goes, we need a reserve or development team, where and who they play against I don't know, but wouldn't it be great
gtdking2010-06-21 20:41:33
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Imagine if Smeltzy plays for a championship winning team in Belgium or Croatia or wherever, and ends up playing in the European Championship and scoring a few goals. Imagine what that would do for the credibility of NZ sport. I'm Phoenix till I die, but a higher and nobler calling than wins for the Nix is a new generation of Kiwi kids seeing footballers as international sporting heroes, rather than rugger-buggers.
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not sure what you mean here? got a link to the article? a couple of our phoenix players may be looked at by some clubs,but theyre under contract with us. not sure what you mean by poaching
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Put the article up or the source. Otherwise your post is meaningless
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Just read an article about concerns of player poaching from the phoenix. Well this is football and that is the way it goes, we need a reserve or development team, where and who they play against I don't know, but wouldn't it be great
You need to clarify what you mean by "poaching".
FIFA and other employment regulatory bodies have very clear rules about how players are employed, and how they move between teams.
Are you talking about on-contract or off-contract players?
Are you aware that John McKain has already moved from the phoenix, and that the nix will receive a transfer fee as part of the deal (in all likelihood)?
Or are you just trying to stir up some sewage/waste water?
phil_style2010-06-21 21:01:27
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I heard this on the radio. It was just a short story on radio sport.
I think Smeltz will be off somewhere after the cup. And Paston, Bertos, Lochead have been doing well.. people are watching.
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=177544
I think Smeltz will be off somewhere after the cup. And Paston, Bertos, Lochead have been doing well.. people are watching.
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=177544
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yeah. clubs will be interested in phoenix players that do well at the world cup,nothing new? the club has to agree to any transfer,so am unable to see how the word poaching is used,or what this has got to do with a youth/reserve team?
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And surely this will be Ricki's last season in the A-League
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People under contract can't be poached, there are rules against that, though it can sometimes be hard to prove.
People under contract get transfer fees, and transfers are agreed by the club, so the club benefits from transferring players to higher level competitions.
It also means we attract better class of new players, because they will see the Phoenix as a good place to play with scouts watching Phoenix developments.
But I think this thread was just a poor attempt to troll.
People under contract get transfer fees, and transfers are agreed by the club, so the club benefits from transferring players to higher level competitions.
It also means we attract better class of new players, because they will see the Phoenix as a good place to play with scouts watching Phoenix developments.
But I think this thread was just a poor attempt to troll.
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Player poaching? I prefer them scrambled.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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And surely this will be Ricki's last season in the A-League
Sadly, i tend to agree. This is my real worry.
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I heard this on the radio. It was just a short story on radio sport.
I think Smeltz will be off somewhere after the cup. And Paston, Bertos, Lochead have been doing well.. people are watching.
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=177544
Soz but I just don't rate Lochy. I think his chances of getting picked are lower than the others mentioned.
I think Smeltz will be off somewhere after the cup. And Paston, Bertos, Lochead have been doing well.. people are watching.
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=177544
He may be a great servant for the Nix, but I find he makes a higher number of errors than the other players in the team in internationals. Especially v Slovakia.
Don't get me wrong, great player in the A-league, just maybe not in a higher overseas league?
My opinion.
Course, I been wrong about plenty in my lifetime, and will be plenty more.
I'd love to see guys like Elliot get a contract, it proves the Cup provides exposure and boosts careers.
In games like we have been playing, there must be huge exposure!
Reid, Smith and Wood are doing their future careers maximum boostage IMHO. They are all so young and playing awesome!
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People under contract get transfer fees, and transfers are agreed by the club, so the club benefits from transferring players to higher level competitions.
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Clubs have been burnt way too many times before, most will stay clear of signing players based on the World Cup alone.
If you weren't on someone's radar before the World Cup, chances are you're going nowhere.
If you weren't on someone's radar before the World Cup, chances are you're going nowhere.
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Clubs have been burnt way too many times before, most will stay clear of signing players based on the World Cup alone.
If you weren't on someone's radar before the World Cup, chances are you're going nowhere.
If you weren't on someone's radar before the World Cup, chances are you're going nowhere.
Yep, see: most Senegal players
The only players that has a chance of moving to bigger clubs would, imo, be Reid, Smith, Smeltz and Wood. Wood wont move though because he's already playing for an EPL club.
Hopefully this raises our FIFA ranking to a point where it's easier to get work permits in the UK etc though valeo2010-06-22 12:18:25
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Smith and Reid would be the biggest benefactors from this.
Reid was apparently on the radar of Serie A clubs and a move from the Danish Super League could eventuate sooner rather than later.
Smith could do a little better than Ipswich, where he is at currently.
Wood at WBA could see more first team action - he's in a good spot at the moment, and is still so young at 18 years old.
Reid was apparently on the radar of Serie A clubs and a move from the Danish Super League could eventuate sooner rather than later.
Smith could do a little better than Ipswich, where he is at currently.
Wood at WBA could see more first team action - he's in a good spot at the moment, and is still so young at 18 years old.
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Smith could do a little better than Ipswich, where he is at currently.
What ?
Apart from the Phoenix (and the Nighthawks) there is nothing better than Ipswich.
He finished the season on loan at Brentford, unable to make the Town first team. Once he's done that then he might move on.
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No, Smith will sign a lifetime contract with Ipswich, help the Tractor Boys into the Premier League, and then lead them on to European glory 
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Testify brother.
(Unless he fancies the Nighthawks. We're a bit short at the back).
(Unless he fancies the Nighthawks. We're a bit short at the back).
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Interview on the BBC website. Roy Hodgson answers a question on the merits of signing a player on the back of World Cup performances:
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I'm a bit worried about losing Phoenix players because, while I know we'd have to agree to it and we'd get a transfer fee, there aren't many Kiwi's who could fill their boots in the team. To me, this is a non-issue whether the club is full of Kiwi's or foreigners - but heaps of people have whinged in the past about all the foreigners (Aussies) and if there are even more could this hurt things like attendances? With people wanting to watch a Kiwi team and not another Knights etc.
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& why would any (young/sane) Aussie join the phoenix, when we don't have a youth team they can get game time in?
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& why would any (young/sane) Aussie join the phoenix, when we don't have a youth team they can get game time in?
Troy Hearfield is a great example of this. He's got so much potential, bit of a shame he doesn't have some kiwi blood so we can get him to play for the AW
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& why would any (young/sane)� Aussie join the phoenix, when we don't have a youth team they can get game time in?
Troy Hearfield is a great example of this. He's got so much potential, bit of a shame he doesn't have some kiwi blood so we can get him to play for the AW
If he stays in NZ in about 3 years time he could be available for NZ selection
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The aussies would cap him in a pointless freindly just to prevent that.
bloody aussies.
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Talked to Wynton Rufer the other day and asked him he was asked by his German contacts which All White they should sign he said Shane Smeltz without pause - said his control and ball retention made him a stand out. I'm doing a show with Noah Hickey on Live Sport - here's a link too the website with the audio http://www.radiolivesport.co.nz/TheFootballExperiment/tabid/352/Default.aspx
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I heard this on the radio. It was just a short story on radio sport.
I think Smeltz will be off somewhere after the cup. And Paston, Bertos, Lochead have been doing well.. people are watching.
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=177544
Soz but I just don't rate Lochy. I think his chances of getting picked are lower than the others mentioned.
I think Smeltz will be off somewhere after the cup. And Paston, Bertos, Lochead have been doing well.. people are watching.
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=177544
He may be a great servant for the Nix, but I find he makes a higher number of errors than the other players in the team in internationals. Especially v Slovakia.
Don't get me wrong, great player in the A-league, just maybe not in a higher overseas league?
My opinion.
Course, I been wrong about plenty in my lifetime, and will be plenty more.
I'd love to see guys like Elliot get a contract, it proves the Cup provides exposure and boosts careers.
In games like we have been playing, there must be huge exposure!
Reid, Smith and Wood are doing their future careers maximum boostage IMHO. They are all so young and playing awesome!
I stopped reading at "soz"
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The aussies would cap him in a pointless freindly just to prevent that.
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bloody aussies.
Friendlies don't count for that, it would have to be an official game.
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Testify brother.
(Unless he fancies the Nighthawks. We're a bit short at the back).
(Unless he fancies the Nighthawks. We're a bit short at the back).
<----- is currently unattached to a Club!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Smith could do a little better than Ipswich, where he is at currently.
What ?
Apart from the Phoenix (and the Nighthawks) there is nothing better than Ipswich.
What about Norwich City? 
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Smith could do a little better than Ipswich, where he is at currently.
What ?
Apart from the Phoenix (and the Nighthawks) there is nothing better than Ipswich.
What about Norwich City?
If we are talking Ipswich in Queensland then I can think of a heap of things better...like anywhere in NSW!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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Teza... that's awfully close to banning.
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Testify brother.
(Unless he fancies the Nighthawks. We're a bit short at the back).
(Unless he fancies the Nighthawks. We're a bit short at the back).
<----- is currently unattached to a Club!
But living four hours away ?
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Teza... that's awfully close to banning.
Hook, line & ........
Teza2010-06-23 13:51:11
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Smith could do a little better than Ipswich, where he is at currently.
What ?
Apart from the Phoenix (and the Nighthawks) there is nothing better than Ipswich.
What about Norwich City?
That would actually be a sensible move. Close to where he'salready based, far nicer kit than Ipswich and a GILF as chairperson. I'd move.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Clubs have been burnt way too many times before, most will stay clear of signing players based on the World Cup alone.
If you weren't on someone's radar before the World Cup, chances are you're going nowhere.
If you weren't on someone's radar before the World Cup, chances are you're going nowhere.
Yeah, there would be as much of a chance of kiwis picking up club contracts as there would be french players losing club contracts.
Remember how players at ACFC were "surely going to pick up contracts" after the Club World Cup? Yeah that didnt happen.
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& why would any (young/sane) Aussie join the phoenix, when we don't have a youth team they can get game time in?
Troy Hearfield is a great example of this. He's got so much potential, bit of a shame he doesn't have some kiwi blood so we can get him to play for the AW
If he stays in NZ in about 3 years time he could be available for NZ selection
Its 5 years, hence why FIFA said Daniel was ineligible for the AWs despite having citizenship after his 3 years residency.
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& why would any (young/sane)� Aussie join the phoenix, when we don't have a youth team they can get game time in?
Troy Hearfield is a great example of this. He's got so much potential, bit of a shame he doesn't have some kiwi blood so we can get him to play for the AW
If he stays in NZ in about 3 years time he could be available for NZ selection
He has been here for 2 already. Hence in 3 years time...
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The aussies would cap him in a pointless freindly just to prevent that.
bloody aussies.
Friendlies don't count for that, it would have to be an official game.
Really? So if Fallon's first game for the AWs was the friendly vs Serbia then theoretically England could still have picked him?
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