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player ratings v glory

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Hmmm I actually thought we played better than last week! Scary!
Moss 8 a couple of great saves, one flap
Mulligan 7 His best game for the Nix, looked keen
Durante 7 Good game
McKain 8 Unlucky with the penalty, great goalline clearance, looked claasy on the ball for the first time for weeks, won headers against Dadi
Locky 6 Doesn't seem to have confidence, passes poor at times, crosses?
Leilei Gao 5 Doesn't seem to fit at the moment, linked with Daniel
Ferrante 6 Better from him, passes useful
Johnno 6 He and Ferrante controled the centre midfield for good periods, had our best shot
Daniel 7 Good in patches
Smeltz 6 Never got much of a chance up front
Hearfield 5 Runs a lot
 
Kwasnik 4 no impact
Brown 5 Little impact
Sigmund 6 Looked keen
 
What do YOU think? 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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I agree with all but mulligan...im sorry...but he was average again...would give him a 5 or maybe a 6 later when im in a nicer mood

Allegedly

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Mulligan 5 or 6 and is this the first penalty Mckain has given away?
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Moss 9 Kept us in the game, again.
Mulligan 2 Gave the ball away all the time. Rubbish long balls. isn't taking dead ball situations. Positioning rubbish.
Durante 8 Good partnership with Mckain
McKain 8 Good on the ball, uses his head
Locky 5 Boro? You're avin a laugh. Rubbish crosses, bad passes ect...
Leilei Gao 6 Not in the game much, but showed glimpses
Ferrante 5 Headless Chicken
Johnno 3 Passes to them.
Daniel 6 Needs to see more of the ball
Smeltz 5 Hard to play well when all you get is hoofball
Hearfield 4 Rubbish

Siggy: Start him please.
 
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Moss-7 Looked dodge sometimes but made some good saves.Respectable.
Mulligan- 3 - edgecombe.Im sorry mate but that was retarded
Durante/Mckain-  8 Our best players on the park.Unlucky about the peno aswell.
Lochead- 5 - Slight improvement, but has fair more potential .Something not right off the park?
 
Gao- 6 - A good player but where was he?
Johnson- 4 - No thanks.Pi**ed me off when he was sharing a laugh with one of the glory players after the game too.
Ferrante-5 - A tryer but I still dont know?
Daniel-6 - Soft.Tried things but soft.Off the bench run next week
 
Hearfield- 4 - Not his best game in a nix shirt.
Smeltz-5 -  Good player but once again didnt know he was playing.Didnt get much help
 
Subs -  Cant be bothered
felipe2008-09-21 21:49:29
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Moss- 8 Standout performer as always.
Mulligan- 2 Doesn't push forward enough. Bad Passing and lots of perths attacks went up his wing.
Durante/ Mckain. 7 Finally showing some solidity at the back.
Lochead 5- Showed glimpses of last season but some bad passing.
Gao 5- To invisble but looks good with the ball
Johnson- 1 Terrible passing. Picks up random yellows.
Ferrante 7- Thought he passed well and got stuck in.
Daniel 7- Least he tried stuff. Some good touches needs support
Hearfield- 5 Not up to his usual standard. One very average shot
Smetlz- 6 Not involved enough. Didn't seem interested but still can't be blamed for lack of support

Kwasnik 2- Him and Gao like to play hide and seek when they're on the field. Unfortunately they both think they are hidingchocnut2008-09-21 22:04:39
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Moss- 7 some good saves, grabbed a backpass, but we got away with it.
Mulligan- 2 Where are his reputed skills, back in the changing shed
Durante 6 He gives it a go, cant question that, good save off the line
McKain 5 Patchy, had half an eye on the Aussie coach?
Lochead 5- Getting there but not there yet
Gao 5- playing back too much,  better up the wing, he knows what to do there
Johnson- 2 afraid to pass it forward? Not accurate enough
Ferrante -5 Hard to tell, he persisted though
Daniel 6- He is putting in the effort, some skill shown, but the final pass missing
Hearfield- 5 poor finishing
Smeltz- 5 Lacklustre, he didnt play well outside the penalty area, wasnt in it

Kwasnik, couldnt tell, didnt see much happening
Sigmund, tried hard, energetic
Brown, we needed an attacking sub, not a defender


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Not so sure mossy deserves that higher rating.Yep a couple of good saves and a flap and also like most of the others some shocking distribution he was lucky to get away with a couple of his clearances.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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no moss = 4-0

Allegedly

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McKain, Durante and Moss by far our best players. Lochy's delivery was very poor, but defended well, and was getting forward a bit more in the second half which is a good sign.
Johnson and Ferrante - too inaccurate generally speaking, Johnson had a shocking pass towards the backline early in the second half which could have cost us dearly. Daniel had some good touches, but drifts out of games too easily. Gao was anonymous for most of the game, but had one good run in stoppage time which could have led to a goal-scoring opportunity.
Smeltz a bit lethargic, but has an incredibly difficult job, feel sorry for him. Hearfield lost a bit.

Mulligan the biggest waste of space I've seen since George. Awful right back, offers nothing going forward, and doesn't take the set-pieces for which he's a supposed specialist. Get him outta there, and fast. Siggy in, Muscat on the bench.el grapadura2008-09-21 22:36:26
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ballane wrote:
Not so sure mossy deserves that higher rating.Yep a couple of good saves and a flap and also like most of the others some shocking distribution he was lucky to get away with a couple of his clearances.


Agree thought distribution from Moss was pretty ordinary today. Why is he pumping it long when we have only have Smeltz up front with no support. Although the alternative of throwing it to Mulligan and Lochead at the moment may be the deciding factor for him.
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Mostly agree with el grap, although there's going to be too much focus on Mulligan when he didn't actually play that badly - certainly no worse than some of the plonkers we had in that spot last season.
 
I also don't agree that Daniel drifted in and out of the game. I thought he showed a lot of commitment and probably covered more territory than any other player. Smeltz DID look lethargic, and even, dare I say it, a bit sulky today, like he couldn't be arsed chasing the ball or making runs. I hope I'm completely wrong and that there's no funny business going on behind the scenes.
 
Durante my man of the match. Johnson his worst ever game.
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I though Mulligan was very bad - his defensive positioning is very suspect, making him too easy to run past and his recovery speed is non-existent. Not a good thing for a fullback. What also pissed me off was on two occasions in the first half Durante had possession but was being pressured, and he was looking to pass to Mulligan on the flank, and both times Mulligan had not made himself easily available (despite not having any Perth players anywhere near him), and we ended up losing possession. And then he even yelled at Durante for trying to pass the ball to him (it went a bit behind him and out for a throw -in).
Mulligan's first touch is also pretty poor, and consequently gets too easily dispossesed when going forward, very noticable today. Which in all honesty isn't necessarily a bad thing, since every time he has possession he hoofs it away anyway.
I could forgive all this if he took amazing set pieces and scored and set up a few goals, but he doesn't even take them?
So why is he in the team? Siggy's been our best right back defensively so far this season, and although not blessed with great pace and technique, has showed willingness to go forward and support attacks. I mean, he should have started tonight, if he doesn't start next week I'll seriously start questioning RH's sanity...el grapadura2008-09-21 23:00:36
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Thing is Sigmund's had all of 15 minutes so far. I would want to see a lot more of him before I start trumpeting him as our next saviour. StopOut2008-09-21 23:28:29
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That's true, and to be honest, although he had only five minutes tonight, I didn't think he was as good as last week (couple of little mistakes at the back, but no biggies), but I'd still prefer him to Mulligan. Siggy is a much more competent defender (have seen him in PSC, and NZFC previously), and that's the first and foremost thing. Won't solve all our problems, but I also think his attitude of reall keennes and hard work would be a welcome shot to the arm for the team.
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Moss - 8 - no real mistakes
Mulligan - 3 Petulant. Doesn't have the enthusiasm or the fitness. Compare our left flank to our right. Again, why doesn't he take free kicks?
Lochhead - 7 - More like his form of last year tonight. Good defending, good pace, good crosses.
Smeltz - 4 Didn't try to get involved tonight. At one corner early in the second half (maybe?) he had an opportunity to head which he didn't take.
Hearfield - 6 Keen. Should have made more of Lochhead's cross.
Daniel - 7 Nice game too

Gao and Ferrante weren't involved enough for my liking.
Johnson I'm not sure what to make of, maybe a 5.
Central defence was good enough.

Substitutions too late, as others have said.
Sigmund should replace Mulligan next week.
Mulligan on the bench as he's a useful utility (but more useful than Plodder? Not sure ...)

What has happened to the passing game we had last season?
Too many long balls going nowhere.
I'd rather see the team retain possession to frustrate and tire the opposition, even if we're not gaining any ground.
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el grapadura wrote:
I though Mulligan was very bad - his defensive positioning is very suspect, making him too easy to run past and his recovery speed is non-existent. Not a good thing for a fullback. What also pissed me off was on two occasions in the first half Durante had possession but was being pressured, and he was looking to pass to Mulligan on the flank, and both times Mulligan had not made himself easily available (despite not having any Perth players anywhere near him), and we ended up losing possession. And then he even yelled at Durante for trying to pass the ball to him (it went a bit behind him and out for a throw -in).
Mulligan's first touch is also pretty poor, and consequently gets too easily dispossesed when going forward, very noticable today. Which in all honesty isn't necessarily a bad thing, since every time he has possession he hoofs it away anyway.
I could forgive all this if he took amazing set pieces and scored and set up a few goals, but he doesn't even take them?
So why is he in the team? Siggy's been our best right back defensively so far this season, and although not blessed with great pace and technique, has showed willingness to go forward and support attacks. I mean, he should have started tonight, if he doesn't start next week I'll seriously start questioning RH's sanity...


yep I agree about siggie and Mulligan. No free rides.


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Hmmm I actually thought we played better than last week! Scary!
Moss 8 a couple of great saves, one flap
Mulligan 7 His best game for the Nix, looked keen
Durante 7 Good game
McKain 8 Unlucky with the penalty, great goalline clearance, looked claasy on the ball for the first time for weeks, won headers against Dadi
Locky 6 Doesn't seem to have confidence, passes poor at times, crosses?
Leilei Gao 5 Doesn't seem to fit at the moment, linked with Daniel
Ferrante 6 Better from him, passes useful
Johnno 6 He and Ferrante controled the centre midfield for good periods, had our best shot
Daniel 7 Good in patches
Smeltz 6 Never got much of a chance up front
Hearfield 5 Runs a lot
 
Kwasnik 4 no impact
Brown 5 Little impact
Sigmund 6 Looked keen
 
What do YOU think? 
 
 
Blimey mate you really are a "half full "sort of guy rather than a "half empty"? Mulligan was pants again. Agree that Durante & Mckain were good, but not massively so. Moss good apart from penality but we know he's crap at them so we forgive him.

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Moss 8.5 Typical Moss
Mulligan 2 A complete hack that likes to pass responsibility for his own f**kups to other players. Christie is probably still our best option at right back which is ridiculous. Sigmund got showed up defensively about twice when he came on as well.
Durante 8 Was solid. Best game for us so far.
McKain 7 Was alright. Still not living up to his reputation so far.
Locky 6 Even less confidence than the rest of the team for whatever reason.
Leilei Gao 5 Invisible
Ferrante 6 Solid I suppose. Still hasn't shaken the Melbourne reject tag for mine - he looks like a b-grade player at best. Hasn't even shown his best asset - his long passing game.
Johnno 5 Thought he was crap. Gave away a lot of passes and stunted the transition between defence and attack. Was buggered by the 70th minute and should have been subbed for Brown but Ricki doesn't know how to use subs.
Daniel 6.5 Average like the rest of our attack. At least he did a couple of good things.
Smeltz 6 Didn't play well but not much service either
Hearfield 5 Worst game for us so far
 
valeo2008-09-22 01:25:41

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Gotta agree with most of you, I thought Mulligan was dreadful. Was a bit concerned when we signed him that some people were building him up into something he wasn't, and unfortunately my concerns seem to be justified. Has to be more to a full back than the chance he might score the odd goal from a free-kick.
 
Last night was the ugliest game I've seen for a long time, and I'm a Partick Thistle supporter!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Both our full backs were the worst players players on the park again. Locheads distribution is absolutely shocking. As for Mulligan, its already been said here.

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Pretty poor all round really. Perth looked more dangerous all round and deserved to win.
 
Mulligan - aimless and poor. There should be space out wide and he should be looking to go forward and play attacking balls, but he just plays backward or plays aimless balls.
 
Lochhead. Not really very good. Gets too far forward when the central defenders have the ball, so doesnt create enough space, and hence gets shut down straigh away.  Was watching Middlesbro this weekend, and the way they worked it from the back was excellent.
 
Moss - great again
 
Mckain - Very Poor decision to bring down Dadi
 
Durante - lucky to still be on the park at the end I think, but at least he had the "they shall not pass" attitude.
 
The rest of them were just very average and aimless, hardly any decent forward moves at all.
 
Very depressing.
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Were most of you watching a different game than me? im not sure how some of you can keep giving some of these players goo reviews. As ballane said mossies distribution was crap!get the ball down and play rather than hooooooof it!
Mossy did make some good saves and was unlucky not to have another clean sheet.
 
Moss 8 a couple of great saves, one flap poor distribution
Mulligan 4 at best, gave the ball away to often, didnt get forward and  can someone tell when he turned soft? used to hit tackles 
Durante 7 Good game
McKain 7/8 Unlucky with the penalty, great goalline clearance, looked claasy on the ball for the first time for weeks, won headers against Dadi
Locky 5 dosnt even look like he wants to be there.wake the fu%K up-biggest dissapointment thus far
Gao 4 doesnt seem to be in control or as free as he did in the preseason games? is the labrador not as good in wellington?
Ferrante 5 back to his same old nothing proformance
Johnno 4 close to the wosre on the park, get the nutter brown in there
Daniel 6 as per with dan, showed gilmpses and needs other things to be happening around the ground for him to make a difference, but they wernt.
Smeltz 6 will deffinitly be considering any other offers now as he looked to be on a deserted island
Hearfield 5 dissapointing, got his head down after that miscued shotmid way thru the 1st half
 
How come ricky wasnt in any ones rattings? is that because like me you thought he was fu***ng horrid as well? I thought the bench he picked to start with was average and dont get me started with the subs he did make?
Mckain and durra were good but still didnt get the beter of the lone frenchie up front who looked good.
 
 
 
 
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also I thought it was the worst I had seen the nix play!
 
have we got a case for both muscat and christie to both get a start this week at left and right back?
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radioman wrote:
 
 
Moss 8 a couple of great saves, one flap poor distribution 
 
 
 
Yeah, Moss did hit some bad ones, but maybe we shouldnt be hitting the ball back to him so much, totally unnecessary - we were too negative again.
 
But Moss did hit plenty of decent clearances, but I counted many occasions when Perth won these totally unchallenged in the middle of the park.
 
Thats really poor and we need some people who are going to go out and win those balls. 
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Browner_ wrote:
radioman wrote:



Moss 8 a couple of great saves, one flap poor distribution




Yeah, Moss did hit some bad ones, but maybe we shouldnt be hitting the ball back to him so much, totally unnecessary - we were too negative again.


But Moss did hit plenty of decent clearances, but I counted many occasions when Perth won these totally unchallenged in the middle of the park.


Thats really poor and we need some people who are going to go out and win those balls.


It was worse than that the distribution from Moss was poor. He continued to pump it long even though we were playing Smeltz up front on his own and just about every clearance he made came straight back at us.

But having said that throwing out to Mulligan and Lochead with bugger all midfield support from Johnson and Ferrante perhaps that is why Moss opted to pump it long.
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Its something I've noticed with Moss a lot recently, his clearances/goal kicks generally ended up giving the opposition possession which doesn't help our cause.  Perhaps take some more short ones, his throws seem to go to our players ;)
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whitby fever wrote:
Browner_ wrote:
radioman wrote:



Moss 8 a couple of great saves, one flap poor distribution




Yeah, Moss did hit some bad ones, but maybe we shouldnt be hitting the ball back to him so much, totally unnecessary - we were too negative again.


But Moss did hit plenty of decent clearances, but I counted many occasions when Perth won these totally unchallenged in the middle of the park.


Thats really poor and we need some people who are going to go out and win those balls.


It was worse than that the distribution from Moss was poor. He continued to pump it long even though we were playing Smeltz up front on his own and just about every clearance he made came straight back at us.

But having said that throwing out to Mulligan and Lochead with bugger all midfield support from Johnson and Ferrante perhaps that is why Moss opted to pump it long.
 
i agree, i would love to see him playing short and getting it out quicker but then the question needs to be asked, why arnt the johnsons,furrantes locky's etc not comming to get it off him.
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I think you are very generous with the ratings, except for Moss's, he deserves his
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I never thought I'd see the day where people were calling for Christie's return.

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I think it's an indication of how little faith we have collectively in the other options.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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at least christie will get forward and put himself about, i think the options we have used at left and right back have looked weak in the tackle and crap going forwasrd, if the do at all
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Arsenal wrote:
I never thought I'd see the day where people were calling for Christie's return.
 
 
I think we will be calling back George next..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Hard News wrote:
Siggy at Right Back, Plodder in midfield.


Plodder in central midfied?
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radioman wrote:
at least christie will get forward and put himself about, i think the options we have used at left and right back have looked weak in the tackle and crap going forwasrd, if the do at all
 
 
How do we know he will get forward and put himself about? I think it is crazy to have Muscat and Plodder play ahead of Mully and Lochy..

Three games into Mullys career at the Nix.. Give him a chance people.
Scottishbhoy2008-09-22 11:52:04

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
radioman wrote:
at least christie will get forward and put himself about, i think the options we have used at left and right back have looked weak in the tackle and crap going forwasrd, if the do at all

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How do we know he will get forward and put himself about? I think it is crazy to have Muscat and Plodder play ahead of Mully and Lochy..

Three games into Mullys career at the Nix.. Give him a chance people.


Fark no. Mulligan's rubbish, that was evident last week, and again last night. Get him outta there, shouldn't even be on the bench. Siggy to start at RB.

I actually though Lochy had half-decent game last night. He defended well, got forward more that he had done in previous games and into good, deep crossing positions, but his delivery was poor on most occassions. But I thought there were good signs from him last night, if he gets a bit more confidence he won't be too far off where he was last year.

But Mulligan. Erm, no. George-type quality.
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Mulligan has had more than enough chances and has proven his (lack of) worth.

Still not convinced Christie is the answer.

As for George, I've been calling for his return for a long time now.

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siggy has nothing going forward, he killed leo in the 1st home game (v queensland) by not getting forward and leaving leo 1 on 2. as well as the fact he is a center back, i doubt his delivery will be much better than mullies
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