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Playoff smayoffs

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Playoff smayoffs



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Does anyone else think playoffs are a rubbish way to decide a winner after a whole season of footy? I say the winner of the league should be crowned champions. OK It gives other clubs something to aim for (including us), but it would suck to be knocked out after winning the league in a one-off game...



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IT's much too short a season to not have playoffs imo.

a.haak

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Some supporters wouldn't turn up if they knew they can't win the A-League. With play-offs they still have a chance.

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Wibblebutt wrote:
Does anyone else think playoffs are a rubbish way to decide a winner after a whole season of footy? I say the winner of the league should be crowned champions.


Agreed. And extend the season out to 28 matches (2 home, 2 away against each opponent).

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I hope the league is also extended to 10 teams in the near future. Then we could have a decent season length.



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the season needs to be waaaaay longer to introduce that system, its works with leagues like the prem cause theres lots of teams and the season is really long, neither of which the a-league has, therefore its the only logical way to do it
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Another problem is there is no threat of relegation / promotion etc. If there was, perth/wellington match would have been a blockbuster and would give meaning to otherwise meaningless matches. fevrpitch2007-12-11 17:44:12
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Hate to say it but i would doubt very much if the system as it is at the moment is ever changed,even when the "A" league increases the number of teams.Far to much money to be made by using playoffs. Perhaps the main reason though is playoffs are in all facets of aussie sport and is ingrained in sports people from a young age,so doubt if there would be much acceptance of a change.

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fevrpitch wrote:
Another problem is there is no threat of relegation / promotion etc. If there was, perth/wellington match would have been a blockbuster and would give meaning to otherwise meaningless matches.


exactly, this reason alone is why there are playoffs, no relegation means that as soon as a team hits bottom its all over, season means nothing and theres nothing to play for.. granted the league is close so were 7th and still with a shot.. but this system wont change until theres 15+ teams in the a-league with a B-league or sumthing under it with equal teams.....
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Are there going to be 9 or 10 teams in the A-League next season? Isn't there a Northern Fury team or whatever they're called being introduced into it.
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ballane wrote:
Perhaps the main reason though is playoffs are in all facets of aussie sport and is ingrained in sports people from a young age,so doubt if there would be much acceptance of a change.


This is spot on.
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WillyB wrote:
Are there going to be 9 or 10 teams in the A-League next season? Isn't there a Northern Fury team or whatever they're called being introduced into it.


Northern Thunder. Still bad

I don't think they can expand until after 2010, because of a TV deal
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I don't get why they don't play 2 home and 2 away, at the moment isn't it 3 games between each team, so some teams will have a greater home advantage. This kind of skews the season because you don't fairly play all the teams.

Is the league scheduled randomly, because if you get home advantages against the tougher teams and are away more often for the weaker teams then it'd be much easier than vice versa. Or maybe not, but anyway it's still poor design imo.
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I was happy a NZ-based team was going to remain in the league.

I was over the moon when it was a Wellington team. Man, Terry Serepisos has done an amazing job!
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I think playoffs work. Otherwise you get teams unbeatable with 2 or 3 or more games to go and there doesn't seem to be much point. Means the end of the season falls a bit flat.
 
2 games at home and two away would be good. Just don't do it like the NRL where you play some teams more than others. That's just wrong.
s2art2007-12-11 21:53:44
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Having no playoffs doesn't necessarily mean interest in the league is killed off with a runaway winner. There would still be the Asian Champions League places to play for, which, if you believe the President of the Asian Football Confederation, could amount to four A League teams within a year or two - certainly worth fighting hard for.

Even so, I like the playoffs: lots of excitement and bumper crowds for the clubs that make it. For the bottom clubs, well, that's tough but there's never going to be promotion/relegation in the A League.
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10 teams - home and away against each team. Thats 20 games per season. The FFA & the NZFA could also introduce a Cup comptition (like our Chatham Cup) and play it in both countries and the A League sides join in at the quarter final stage. Imagine Wellington Olympic or Watersie playing some local league side from Melbourne for a quarter final game against an A League side? Surely an attention grabber if ever there was one. Lonegunmen2007-12-11 23:27:11
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Lonegunmen wrote:
10 teams - home and away against each team. Thats 20 games per season. The FFA & the NZFA could also introduce a Cup comptition (like our Chatham Cup) and play it in both countries and the A League sides join in at the quarter final stage. Imagine Wellington Olympic or Watersie playing some local league side from Melbourne for a quarter fina game against an A League side? Surely an attention grabber if ever there was one.
 
Not a bad idea, but that's a lot of chook raffles if Wharfies get an away tie against Perth!
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   Just the chance for some minor league club taking on a bunch of professionals. Every amateur footballers dream!!
 
The early rounds could be played as part of the winter season in both countries and the quarter finals could kick off as a pre season game just prior to the first league game and then the semis (Home & Away?) halfway through the season and the final after the final League Match.
 
It also gives the Auckland & Christchurch & Dunedin clubs etc to prove their worth if they made the 1/4 finals.
Lonegunmen2007-12-11 23:40:11
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Sounds great. A Cup competition adds so much to the league season I think. I know the FA Cup has lost a lot of prestige in recent times but it's still a major attraction of English football. Love the idea of smaller NZ and Oz clubs fighting their way through to play the big guns.

I guess money is the obvious concern. It would probably knock the Chatham Cup for six too.

StopOut2007-12-11 23:51:21
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I'd love to see Team Welly hammer Perth Glory haha
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Lonegunmen wrote:
�� Just the chance for some minor league club taking on a bunch of professionals. Every amateur footballers dream!!
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The early rounds could be played as part of the winter season in both countries and the quarter finals could kick off as a pre season game just prior to the first league game and then the semis (Home & Away?) halfway through the season and the final after the final League Match.

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It also gives the Auckland & Christchurch & Dunedin clubs etc to prove their worth if they made the 1/4 finals.


If you've ever been involved with amateur football admin in NZ you'll know there's more chance of pigs flying than that happening. Most teams can't financially compete in their local leagues and the chatham cup let alone in AUS plus who plas, local clubs or NZFC clubs. Completely ridiculousjames dean2007-12-12 00:16:56

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Arsenal wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
Does anyone else think playoffs are a rubbish way to decide a winner after a whole season of footy? I say the winner of the league should be crowned champions.


Agreed. And extend the season out to 28 matches (2 home, 2 away against each opponent).
 
Reason for the 21 season comp is so it ends before AFL & Rugby League start their preseason, and not having to have to many matches up agianst AFL & league in winter season. Also does not clash to much with Super 14.
 
It is the 64, 000 question, when will the A-league be able to go head to head with other winter codes. The judgement is cruturial as go to early and you seem to fail, go to late you appear to be to scared.
 
So its a big call as to when Aussies & Kiwis are ready for a 10 team 27 matches long, because by playing in summer media and crowds are assumed easier to get than in winter.
 
Very interesting question and carfull planning / timing needed by FFA.
 
 
 
 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Lonegunmen wrote:
10 teams - home and away against each team. Thats 20 games per season. The FFA & the NZFA could also introduce a Cup comptition (like our Chatham Cup) and play it in both countries and the A League sides join in at the quarter final stage. Imagine Wellington Olympic or Watersie playing some local league side from Melbourne for a quarter final game against an A League side? Surely an attention grabber if ever there was one.
 
Great idea ......... but won't happen.  Why you ask ...........not because of teams and clubs you talk about as contest of which you talk is good.
 
But the problem is with the old ethnic clubs in OZ would would love to join in. Those old NSL ethnic clubs did more damage to football in OZ than is imagiable. Thus FFA would rather eat their own vomit than give the  old NSL ethnic clubs even a sniff of getting involved in new football.
 
Midfielder2007-12-12 01:16:50

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think playoffs are a stupid way to finish the league in regard to getting the best team as the champion.
 
There are obviously good things about it from the financial side.

Even if a league isn't that long it's simple: The best team over a certain amount of games should get the most points. It all coming down to a one-off game at the end of the season is silly. You can get situations where a team might have got 15 more points during the season then loses on a penalty shoot-out. Which is dumb.
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james dean wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:
   Just the chance for some minor league club taking on a bunch of professionals. Every amateur footballers dream!!
 

The early rounds could be played as part of the winter season in both countries and the quarter finals could kick off as a pre season game just prior to the first league game and then the semis (Home & Away?) halfway through the season and the final after the final League Match.

 

It also gives the Auckland & Christchurch & Dunedin clubs etc to prove their worth if they made the 1/4 finals.


If you've ever been involved with amateur football admin in NZ you'll know there's more chance of pigs flying than that happening. Most teams can't financially compete in their local leagues and the chatham cup let alone in AUS plus who plas, local clubs or NZFC clubs. Completely ridiculous
 
reread my thread. NZ reams play amongst themselves as per the chatham cup, Aussie teams do likewise. When it gets to 1/4 stage then they get the chance. You also forget, as a club reaches a next ound, they should receive a winners payment. That would help towards the fund raising.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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How about a champions league style knock out for the play offs, a home and away game.  That way the better team has more chance of not getting beaten by a one match shocker.  Also the second game often end up pretty open when one team has to get a big result to progress, which provides some great viewing.
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Midfielder wrote:
But the problem is with the old ethnic clubs in OZ would would love to join in. Those old NSL ethnic clubs did more damage to football in OZ than is imagiable. Thus FFA would rather eat their own vomit than give the  old NSL ethnic clubs even a sniff of getting involved in new football.
 


That is a somewhat simplistic view that follows the party line a little too closely. 

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Lonegunmen wrote:
You also forget, as a club reaches a next round, they should receive a winners payment. That would help towards the fund raising.


And just where exactly would that money come from? el grapadura2007-12-12 16:33:18
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betters wrote:
How about a champions league style knock out for the play offs, a home and away game.� That way the better team has more chance of not�getting beaten by a one match shocker.� Also the second game often end up pretty open when one team has to get a big result to progress, which provides some great viewing.


That IS the system. Home and away knockout rounds, and then the Grand Final played at the home ground of the higher-ranked team.el grapadura2007-12-12 16:31:48
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betters wrote:
How about a champions league style knock out for the play offs, a home and away game.  That way the better team has more chance of not getting beaten by a one match shocker.  Also the second game often end up pretty open when one team has to get a big result to progress, which provides some great viewing.


That IS the system. Home and away knockout rounds, and then the Grand Final played at the home ground of the higher-ranked team.
 
sorry, didn't follow the A-league last year becuase the NZ based team was a joke.
 
 
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Actually, the first round - 1st vs 2nd and 3rd vs 4th are home and away.

The loser of 1st vs 2nd against the winner of 3rd vs 4th is a one off at the home of the losing side from the top 2 match.

Then the final is a one off.

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Lonegunmen wrote:
james dean wrote:
Lonegunmen wrote:
�� Just the chance for some minor league club taking on a bunch of professionals. Every amateur footballers dream!!
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The early rounds could be played as part of the winter season in both countries and the quarter finals could kick off as a pre season game just prior to the first league game and then the semis (Home & Away?) halfway through the season and the final after the final League Match.

�

It also gives the Auckland & Christchurch & Dunedin clubs etc to prove their worth if they made the 1/4 finals.
If you've ever been involved with amateur football admin in NZ you'll know there's more chance of pigs flying than that happening. Most teams can't financially compete in their local leagues and the chatham cup let alone in AUS plus who plas, local clubs or NZFC clubs. Completely ridiculous

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reread my thread. NZ reams play amongst themselves as per the chatham cup, Aussie teams do likewise. When it gets to 1/4 stage then they get the chance. You also forget, as a club reaches a next ound, they should receive a winners payment. That would help towards the fund raising.


I don't think you have any idea of the perilous financial situation MOST teams find themselves in. ARe you expecting this to be on TV cause where are you goignt o get this winners money from? The Central League is close to being abandoned because of financial pressure.

Then there's the fact that a game between an NZ club side and any professional side, including most of the semi-pro state league teams would be a complete mismatch and hardly justify the point of the competition.

Normo's coming home

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Hard News wrote:
Actually, the first round - 1st vs 2nd and 3rd vs 4th are home and away.The loser of 1st vs 2nd against the winner of 3rd vs 4th is a one off at the home of the losing side from the top 2 match.Then the final is a one off.


As always, HN is right. My bad, I completely forgot about the stupid preliminary final or whatever else they call it.
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Lonegunmen wrote:
You also forget, as a club reaches a next round, they should receive a winners payment. That would help towards the fund raising.


And just where exactly would that money come from?
 
Sponsorship of the competition!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Jeepas guys, all I was suggesting was an alternative to the current set-up. I don't mind you all not liking my idea. Sweet-as, but please, come to the table and put forth your own alternative. I don't believe I am right or my idea is perfect, but I am pleased to see it has got you thinking. Now put your alternatives down on here.
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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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