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Potential for MORE games in Chch next year?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Potential for MORE games in Chch next year?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I see Tony P has been saying that if this season's game is well supported that Christchurch might get "at least" one A-League game a season?
 
How do people feel about this?
 
I for one would not be happy if 2 games a season were moved. This season we've been told there was no other option, and now we're being told if it goes well it will happen again! IMO this just alienates the fans in Wellington.
 
Not to mention the fact that any home advantage for these games would effectively be lost as well.
 
Keep the WELLINGTON Phoenix games in Wellington thanks!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Uh Oh. Not again.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sorry but this story has just come out today as far as I can tell so I think it's reasonable to ask the question.
 
Previous debates were focused on THIS season coming when we were told there was no alternative by the club.
 
Those 2 games getting moved are part of the reason I have not bought a season ticket, perhaps the 3200 others who haven't renewed feel similar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
1 game a season in Christchurch with a 27(?) game season is reasonable to me. I can see the advantages. However, more than one game would pushing it for me.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Torne wrote:
1 game a season in Christchurch with a 27(?) game season is reasonable to me. I can see the advantages. However, more than one game would pushing it for me.
 
It's not really 1 out of 27 though is it? It's more like 1 out of 13-14 which is quite a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
Torne wrote:
1 game a season in Christchurch with a 27(?) game season is reasonable to me. I can see the advantages. However, more than one game would pushing it for me.
 
It's not really 1 out of 27 though is it? It's more like 1 out of 13-14 which is quite a difference.

True, but the point I was trying to get across was that with an extended season, 1 game is OK by me. But more than one would be pushing it.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree its a concern especially with only 13-14 home games to host.

I guess looking at it from the clubs point of view, if they can't get a decent crowd to the ring of fire, they have to look elsewhere to boost ticket sales.
I also think this may be a bit of Tony P being crafty, if it sells another thousand or so tickets to the chch game then that's great and its not like he's committed to doing it if a certain number of tickets are sold or anything.

Personally I'd prefer every home game to be at the ring of fire and I'd love them to all be Friday or Saturday night, but you can't get everything you want!

Fitz
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wouldn't want more than 1 game away but I don't think we can be too selfish.
Other professional teams play at different venues and that works out.

It also will give the Nix more support and also gives some of our passionate southern supporters a chance. If Chch front up enough and put a solid crowd then why not??


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think all the games should be played in christchurch.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
maybe 1 in wgtn if the crowds look ok playing in the ROF at preseason matches ...

... oh wait what ROF Preseason matches?


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think 1 game in Christchurch is reasonable, maybe with free entry to season-ticket holders who decide to travel down for it.  Despite being the Wellington Phoenix, the nix is a club who needs as much support as possible so as someone said earlier, it's not a good idea at all to get too selfish.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
1 game is ok. Anymore than that makes a bit of a mockery of the situation. 

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
1 game at the most the warriors never play home games at other New Zealand venues as far as i know when they did it was an aussie teams home game at a New Zealand venue.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm guessing it's more a marketing thing to get as many people as possible along to the one match this year...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WELLINGTON IS HOME FOR THE PHOENIX !!!!!!!!!!

the only reason we are playing in CHCH this year is because the cake tin is unavailable.

i say "Christchurch can get f****d"
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Them's fightin' words there Whooooooo!!

The Wellington Phoenix at home in the Ring Of Fire is great for us Wellingtonians but I'm up for spreading the WP Love around. The more support the better in my books. RedGed2009-07-04 17:30:20

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If people from other parts of New Zealand want to see the Phoenix once or twice a season, they can easily travel to Wellington where Wellington Phoenix are based.
 
In football at least, I don't know any other team who plays their home games elsewhere?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
True enough, Steve-O  and my guess is, a few more of those people who get a first chance to see the Phoenix in PN and Chch this season will make the extra effort to see them here with us too.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Here's a quote from Tony P's 'In the Nix' email on 9 June:

"FIRST and foremost, let me assure you all that it was not the club�s decision or desire to take games away from Wellington. We are steadfast in our belief that the club is a Wellington club and we understand that the vast majority of our support resides in the greater Wellington region.However, stadium unavailability is, quite simply, the only factor that has forced the club to take games to Palmerston North and Christchurch. The scheduling of both these games is the result of circumstances entirely outside the club�s control."

Given the poor renewals though, I can understand a change of heart.
Like a chocoholic but for booze

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If they can get the supprt CH CH should get thier own franchise, but they need to stop borrowing ours!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
I see Tony P has been saying that if this season's game is well supported that Christchurch might get "at least" one A-League game a season?
 
How do people feel about this?
 
I for one would not be happy if 2 games a season were moved. This season we've been told there was no other option, and now we're being told if it goes well it will happen again! IMO this just alienates the fans in Wellington.
 
Not to mention the fact that any home advantage for these games would effectively be lost as well.
 
Keep the WELLINGTON Phoenix games in Wellington thanks!!
 
maybe this relates to the debate about you not getting a season ticket??

Founder

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
I see Tony P has been saying that if this season's game is well supported that Christchurch might get "at least" one A-League game a season?
 
How do people feel about this?
 
I for one would not be happy if 2 games a season were moved. This season we've been told there was no other option, and now we're being told if it goes well it will happen again! IMO this just alienates the fans in Wellington.
 
Not to mention the fact that any home advantage for these games would effectively be lost as well.
 
Keep the WELLINGTON Phoenix games in Wellington thanks!!
 
maybe this relates to the debate about you not getting a season ticket??
 
For this season it is part of the reason I ain't getting one, however I only started this thread because I read the story about Tony P saying if it goes well then they'll consider taking one or more games to Christchurch NEXT season.
 
This season is neither here nor there now, it's happening, the club stated it's because the stadium is not available. This debate is about Tony P now going further than that to say it could become a regular occurence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Maybe the club will be forced into it if Welli fans like yourself dont pull finger and get season tickets and stop claiming a chicken and egg syndrome

Founder

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Maybe the club will be forced into it if Welli fans like yourself dont pull finger and get season tickets and stop claiming a chicken and egg syndrome
 
I spent more money paying to get in every week last season than any season ticket holder did.
 
I will still be going to every game if I am in Wellington at the time so don't see your point.
 
It's not people like me who need to "pull finger" it's people that don't go at all and are sitting in the house watching on TV that are the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree with Feverish there, I would not be surprised at all if part of the reasoning behind looking at CHCH as a regular venue is because people aren't renewing their season tickets and they are looking for a money-spinner in years to come if crowds continue to dwindle.

EDIT: The club obviously does get your money in the end Steve-O, but they would want the certainty of 4,000 fans a game before you even think about people who buy on the day.
Critical_Lemon2009-07-04 18:58:14
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I agree with Feverish there, I would not be surprised at all if part of the reasoning behind looking at CHCH as a regular venue is because people aren't renewing their season tickets and they are looking for a money-spinner in years to come if crowds continue to dwindle.

EDIT: The club obviously does get your money in the end Steve-O, but they would want the certainty of 4,000 fans a game before you even think about people who buy on the day.
 
Personally I think this pre season has been a bit of a disaster in terms of merketing the season tickets. If I didn't come on here I would know very little about what was going on.
 
Hopefully the strip launch will provide a boost but I think having no pre season games in Wellington has been a big mistake as well. Not getting a 'glamour' tie for pre season hasn't helped either, and none of the signings made so far are anything to write home about IMO, compared to who has left.
 
Christchurch may get a decent crowd since it's a one off, but would those people go every other week?
 
It's kind of getting off topic anyway here...I want to go to as many games as possible, which is why I don't want games going to Christchurch or anywhere else!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No, they wouldn't go every other week, but most of the people that came along every week in 07/08 didn't last season, and if that continues 20,000 over two games in CHCH makes up a bit for low Wellington crowds.

I think that big crowds or not they are looking seriously at CHCH for seasons to come, but to make sure the number of those games is limited or the idea scrapped altogether is to really up the ante when it comes to getting mates and family along.

I was involved in a rock music programme for teenagers and there was a rule about bringing 10 people to each gig. If everyone in yellow fever brought two people along every to game who wouldn't normally go, we wouldn't have to worry about them playing regular season games elsewhere in NZ.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No, they wouldn't go every other week, but most of the people that came along every week in 07/08 didn't last season, and if that continues 20,000 over two games in CHCH makes up a bit for low Wellington crowds.

I think that big crowds or not they are looking seriously at CHCH for seasons to come, but to make sure the number of those games is limited or the idea scrapped altogether is to really up the ante when it comes to getting mates and family along.

I was involved in a rock music programme for teenagers and there was a rule about bringing 10 people to each gig. If everyone in yellow fever brought two people along every to game who wouldn't normally go, we wouldn't have to worry about them playing regular season games elsewhere in NZ.
 
I try! Hard to persuade some people though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
 
Keep the WELLINGTON Phoenix games in Wellington thanks!!
 
I take it then you also think the FFA should keep games in the AUSTRALIAN league in Australia?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
UberGunner wrote:
If they can get the supprt CH CH should get thier own franchise, but they need to stop borrowing ours!


Maybe Terry and some investors from the south are testing the waters for a new Chch franchise?
Real unlikely but imagine the home NZ rivalry!!

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Gangsta! wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
Keep the WELLINGTON Phoenix games in Wellington thanks!!
 
I take it then you also think the FFA should keep games in the AUSTRALIAN league in Australia?


Do you seriously think this is actually a valid point?

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm taking the kids to the Phoenix tomorrow

we ant games down here
my kids are fired up make no mistake about this homeslice


bring in the Jan game
I wish it was more

Go the Phoenix

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Gangsta! wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
 
Keep the WELLINGTON Phoenix games in Wellington thanks!!
 
I take it then you also think the FFA should keep games in the AUSTRALIAN league in Australia?


Do you seriously think this is actually a valid point?
 
Honestly, no. Just found it a little ironic.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Seeing as I may very well be moving to Dunedin next year, I vote for matches at Carisbrook...

In all seriousness - it's a Wellington club, end of. Attracting other markets such as Christchurch is important, however the absolutely most important market is Wellington. The club has to put this city first, anything else is taking away from Wellington.

However, I wouldn't mind possibly seeing a compromise every two years. Using a 27-game league, we have 13 home games one season, 14 the next. I'd suggest having one of the 14, but never one of the 13, hosted outside Welly. Thus:

- There is no change in the number of matches played at the RoF, and thus no automatic change in ticket price. Could be useful in retaining/attracting members
- Allows matches to be played in Chch etc, without impacting Welly too much.
- Also makes the "home away game" a bit more special than an annual fixture. FEVER ROAD TRIP!

It's pretty much what the Hurricanes do - six games in Welly every year, with every second year the extra seventh game being played in Palmy, Napier or the Naki.

I'd continue to play preseason games around the country - though I'd like to see more variation. Christchurch getting a preseason game every year is great, I fully support that policy (esp if I do move down south!) but Hamilton, Tauranga, Napier etc have been ignored.

Another option could be to "pull a Warriors" and have an Australian team reschedule a game here. If Christchurch is a huge success, then maybe (say) Mariners might consider moving one of their home games against us the next season to Lancaster/QEII to earn a bit more coin through increased attendance than they may in Gosford. I dunno if this would be a practical, but it worked well enough for the Bulldogs, Tigers and Eels, so maybe?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The away home game idea for the oz franchise has some merit Robb. The only problem with this that comes to mind is,the allegiances with NRL clubs were built up over years, with many Kiwis living over there. There would probably not be as many supporters for other A-league teams here and they may find a stronger hostile crowd away...great for us!
BUT...Just imagine a smart franchise....having a "home game" in Auckland against the Wellington Phoenix.
Would the intercity rivalry mean most of Auckland supporting them and not the Phoenix? That would be interesting! Road Trip for sure.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
robbwatson wrote:
Seeing as I may very well be moving to Dunedin next year, I vote for matches at Carisbrook...

In all seriousness - it's a Wellington club, end of. Attracting other markets such as Christchurch is important, however the absolutely most important market is Wellington. The club has to put this city first, anything else is taking away from Wellington.

However, I wouldn't mind possibly seeing a compromise every two years. Using a 27-game league, we have 13 home games one season, 14 the next. I'd suggest having one of the 14, but never one of the 13, hosted outside Welly. Thus:

- There is no change in the number of matches played at the RoF, and thus no automatic change in ticket price. Could be useful in retaining/attracting members
- Allows matches to be played in Chch etc, without impacting Welly too much.
- Also makes the "home away game" a bit more special than an annual fixture. FEVER ROAD TRIP!

It's pretty much what the Hurricanes do - six games in Welly every year, with every second year the extra seventh game being played in Palmy, Napier or the Naki.

I'd continue to play preseason games around the country - though I'd like to see more variation. Christchurch getting a preseason game every year is great, I fully support that policy (esp if I do move down south!) but Hamilton, Tauranga, Napier etc have been ignored.



Robb is a genius.

I love you baby.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
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robbwatson wrote:
Seeing as I may very well be moving to Dunedin next year, I vote for matches at Carisbrook...

In all seriousness - it's a Wellington club, end of. Attracting other markets such as Christchurch is important, however the absolutely most important market is Wellington. The club has to put this city first, anything else is taking away from Wellington.

However, I wouldn't mind possibly seeing a compromise every two years. Using a 27-game league, we have 13 home games one season, 14 the next. I'd suggest having one of the 14, but never one of the 13, hosted outside Welly. Thus:

- There is no change in the number of matches played at the RoF, and thus no automatic change in ticket price. Could be useful in retaining/attracting members
- Allows matches to be played in Chch etc, without impacting Welly too much.
- Also makes the "home away game" a bit more special than an annual fixture. FEVER ROAD TRIP!

 
This idea could work I think.
 
Coming from the UK I am used to about 18 home games as well as a few cup ties so you're talking an average of maybe 20 games at home per season. In addition to that away games are not far away so you can go to most of them if you choose and see your team nearly every week!
 
Put simply, I just want to be able to go to as many games as possible! Taking away some of what is already a relatively small amount of games in terms of world football is just daft IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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