"THE" - pedantry thread (now with Fury !)

"THE" - pedantry thread (now with Fury !)

Does this annoy anyone else? Media, specifically Dimwit Katsanos but others are guilty, always calling them THE Wellington Phoenix. He/they do it with most of the other A League teams, THE Queensland Roar, THE Perth Glory etc etc. Why? It's not  THE Glasgow Rangers, or THE Blackburn Rovers, or THE Real Madrid. So why do they have to call our team THE Wellington Phoenix? It's not their name, so stop it, you jumped up little excuse for a man.

I think your just being pedantic haha.

I see your point but it doesn't phase me

I'm the opposite, it annoys me when people don't use 'The'.  I can't explain why but it just feels wrong without it.

Easy to confuse Phoenix as a singular term rather than a plural. Roar, Glory and Victory are all singular terms, so it must rub off on us.

But I'm with News - I prefer "The Wellington Phoenix", or "The Phoenix" etc. Sounds kinda wrong with out it.

TheJam2008-11-06 10:14:55

I like the 'The' because it fits and doesn't fit when used with other clubs.  

While I'm no English scholar its using the words Wellington and Queensland as a kinda form of possesive adjective and Phoenix and Roar as nouns (usually singular but not always)

The Wellington Phoenix
The brown chair
The large cup
The big bed
The Miami Heat
The LA Lakers
The Queensland Roar
The Dallas Cowboys

Real Madrid doesn't really work. Now if they were THE Real Madrid Stars, then that works.

It also ties into using 'a' and 'the' as definitive and indefintive articles. You don't go to watch a Wellington Phoenix (being definitive use) but you do go to watch a Wellington Phoenix game (indefinite use). Likewise in a role reversal you go to watch the Wellington Phoenix but don't go to watch the Wellington Phoenix game (unless it was defined in conversation)

(Yes I know.... I'm unemployed at the moment, it fills in time)

It's more valuable than most of the crap posted this week.

Who cares, seriously? 'The Wellington Phoenix' just rolls off the tongue better.

Amusing comment since your forum name is "TheJam".  At least there's just one Wellington Phoenix but there are a plethora of jams... which one do you mean?  I'm so confused...

;)

It doesn't work either way, it's Spanish (well, Castillan if we are being pedantic).

Real Club de Futbol de Madrid = Royal Football Club of Madrid.

...them cut the...

WTF ?

I don't like "THE" when it follows "Go!" or "Come on!"

Example: "Come on The Nix" or "Go the All Blacks"

Piss off from these scenarios please, The.

Works for Bay of Plenty in egg chasing - "C'mon the Bay!" or "GO THE BAY!"

But that's because we're "The Bay", not "Bay".

I like "Come on the Nix" (though prefer Come on Phoenix), but yeah, cheering for the All Blacks = fail

"WE ARE THE MELBOURNE! THE MELBOURNE VICTREE! AND WE ARE MENTAL, AND WE ARE MAD!"

I wholeheartedly agree.

The one I hate the most is C'Mon the Naki. No one in Taranaki refers to it as the Naki. Its every other person outside the province that calls it that. Much like JAFA, they view 'the Naki' as being derogatory.

What is a Naki anyway...

I'm surprised nobody has spotted the key distinction here.

as long as it isn't always "The Wellington Phoenix  nil "  i don't care 

How did poor old David and his weight issues get dragged into this thread?

+1. It's THE Wellington Phoenix because the phoenix is a thing. Thats my interpretation of it anyway. When commentators refer to other teams that are fc It's just "Sydney Fc"

Didn't read the second page before I posted... This is spot on.

Check the About YF link at the top...

Wierd. I've met tonnes of people from there, they all refer to it as "the 'naki"....

One definition of the word 'the' is, "used to refer to a person, place or thing that is unique (noun)", and the Wellington Phoenix fits snugly into that definition.

Whether I'm right or wrong, though, in some cases it just sounds more fluent with 'the' included.

The new team is announced

"The expansion of the Hyundai A-League to ten teams in only the fifth season of the competition was confirmed today with the official naming of team number 10, the North Queensland Fury."

They will no doubt be called "the Fury"

Fury?  Worst.....name......ever......

"come on the Nix" sounds a bit rude.

Have you seen the Badge? It's a sh*tty version of the sh*tty roar logo, It's just a football with flaps

Not very "furious" is it?

looks like something out of finding nemo 

Melikesit