I just thought we were well off the pace that game. Every challenge was a step or two behind; not helped by the bobbling pitch. Thought Siggy and Durante had shockers.
Seems like a hangover from the holiday, which is not surprising, and Brisbane's superior fitness showed in the end. Krishna and Roly were short of a gallop especially.
Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things as long as we jump back on the wagon next week.
Not overly concerned,think its just a minor bump on our way to the finals.However in saying that i cant see us being serious contenders until we are able to take all the points at Brisbane,Melbourne,and Perth and i dont just mean the odd win here or there.
Thought not starting Rodriguez was an odd call. We've looked a worse team everytime he hasn't started and for me his absence was a problem for everyone. He's the one (almost) guaranteed outlet when people are being pressed and that option was missing.
Having said that I was pretty sure we had them beaten until that corner. They had stopped trying and looked done until we gave away a very soft header which gave them the belief to win.
Also. Did we win a single header all game?
Not scapegoating but pointing this out.
Lia was pathetic in the last 10 mins. He gave the ball away time and time again.
Psychologically the other team must see it go to him and switch into attack mode.
If you cant be relied upon to hold the ball in your own half, especially towards the end in a tight situation, you shouldnt be there
To me he isnt going to get any better at this stage of his career.
I would rather have a youngster come in and get match experience. they might make mistakes, but I doubt there would be as many as Lia made last night, ,
Also our retention from throw ins was pathetic
Grumpy after staying up to watch that disintegration.
Thought not starting Rodriguez was an odd call. We've looked a worse team everytime he hasn't started and for me his absence was a problem for everyone. He's the one (almost) guaranteed outlet when people are being pressed and that option was missing.
Having said that I was pretty sure we had them beaten until that corner. They had stopped trying and looked done until we gave away a very soft header which gave them the belief to win.
Also. Did we win a single header all game?
Thought not starting Rodriguez was an odd call. We've looked a worse team everytime he hasn't started and for me his absence was a problem for everyone. He's the one (almost) guaranteed outlet when people are being pressed and that option was missing.
Having said that I was pretty sure we had them beaten until that corner. They had stopped trying and looked done until we gave away a very soft header which gave them the belief to win.
Also. Did we win a single header all game?
Agree about Rodriguez.
Also. Did we win a single header all game?
45.2% of them apparently.
So are you saying you saw it differently.??
The whole defence was overrun in the last period
Thought not starting Rodriguez was an odd call. We've looked a worse team everytime he hasn't started and for me his absence was a problem for everyone. He's the one (almost) guaranteed outlet when people are being pressed and that option was missing.
Having said that I was pretty sure we had them beaten until that corner. They had stopped trying and looked done until we gave away a very soft header which gave them the belief to win.
Also. Did we win a single header all game?
Agreed. The problem was that Roly is basically undroppable but he didn't really look fit enough to last longer than 60 mins and I don't think Rod plays that well with Lia.
That was not a good game to watch for many reasons
1: a real midfield slog
2: both teams played high lines and it compressed everything
3: the fatigue factor for the Phoenix was very noticable.
4: The inability to hold onto any meaningful possession
5: For the Phoenix, getting too cute with the ball in our 18 when we are under pressure, just welly the fudgeing thing. Its ok to clear lines.
6: The pitch surface which was just awful. Players looked like they were running on ice and needed to do the little steps to slow down or change direction. The ball over it took a few bumps as well. How can we have one of the worst surfaces in the league when most farmers in Southland would not let their cows graze on Suncorp.
7: Our discipline. I think Manny was lucky to stay on. He really does not learn.
8: Our defending. Late in the piece they were able to slip so many balls in behind for them to stroll past us. It was great to watch but not for the reasons of being a Phoenix fan. We turned into a team of ball watchers and I think that was because of fatigue.
Is it cause for alarm? I don't think so but really, I don't think you can begrudge Brisbane the 3 points there. 1st half was even and 2nd half was theirs. That was a game where too many players had off nights and law of averages suggests that should not happen again so soon.
Lia is always the scapegoat but when you listen to Ernie on the podcast, he is one of the only talkers on the pitch. Thats why he gets picked. I get that and thats an intangible as a fan we cannot see. I do however question how effective that is. Is a player that is talkative and organises a better choice than a player that is quieter and has more skill? Unfortunately for Lia he will always be the scapegoat as much as I thought Riera, Durante and Sigmund arguably had as poor if not poorer games. Riera could not kick a ball to our man all night. There is more to just shutting down passing lanes and as shown, if you are not getting that right and then can't hit your own man, you become a passenger.
Its games like that I feel sorry for Moss at the back cause you know as some point, you are going to be exposed cause players in front of you did not do their job and thats the over-riding sensation I am left with - no one did their jobs properly to full effect.
So are you saying you saw it differently.??
The whole defence was overrun in the last period
Exactly. Vinnie is an easy target but we were shark from 2-23.
I generally agree with JV although I thought Siggy and Durante had very good first 50 mins or so.
For me Roly had a mixed game, some sublime touches mixed with some terrible ones. Overall though I think the Phoenix were just off the pace, hopefully thats something ernie can rectify this week.
Can we all just agree Zelic is a Twit, First he's all about player a being amazing then theyy F up and oh they have been terrible all night then player B is terrible but does one good thing and they have been amazing all night.
I generally agree with JV although I thought Siggy and Durante had very good first 50 mins or so.
For me Roly had a mixed game, some sublime touches mixed with some terrible ones. Overall though I think the Phoenix were just off the pace, hopefully thats something ernie can rectify this week.
Can we all just agree Zelic is a Twit, First he's all about player a being amazing then theyy F up and oh they have been terrible all night then player B is terrible but does one good thing and they have been amazing all night.
so we're not good again? dammit
I don't think its that. We only just lost a game in the 91st min that by rights, we did not deserve to win.
I would say thats just the luck of football sometimes.
I agree with the "luck of football" comment by JV - with a bit of luck we could have drawn that game and gained a point but there is no point crying over spilt milk.
The issue for me was that the team seemed off their natural rhythm, probably due to a long break. It should not happen but it can happen and it did. We hopefully get sorted for the next game in Sydney and move on, since we thankfully have no major injuries.
The sense of how undercooked the team was last night is borne out by (my own) view that our best player on the park - not counting Moss - was Louie Fenton. I would normally consider Louie a tentative player at best of times, at least since his shoulder troubles. He was doing no worse than others last night and coping better than some (better than Roly, Lia or Muscat).
Anyone notice on Stuffed how when we win, there's an article but no video and no real detail on the match.
However, when we lose there's a video (so you can see all the goals we conceded) and lots of detail into how shark we were
Anyone notice on Stuffed how when we win, there's an article but no video and no real detail on the match.
However, when we lose there's a video (so you can see all the goals we conceded) and lots of detail into how shark we were
This was very disappointing performance and not very entertaining to watch. Could be a draw but kudos for Brisbane for wanting it more.
Shame on Ernie for bringing Boyd to late into the game. Should have brought him for the last 20 min of the game, to have a bit of an impact. Is it just me, but since departure of Brockie, the attacking bench looks very thin for the attacking kind of play we wan't to play.
I can't speak for Ernie (luckily) but I presume he sees Boyd as a finisher and not a creator, and we needed more in the "create" department last night, as well as in the "defend" department. Just guessing.
I think it's more political than that.
We need a team of Hearfields
If we have this, after the break, our whole team would look like Jim Morrison around 1971
Would love to see Boxall be put in to help us get a few headers for once, even in defence .
Lots of excuses -- poor pitch - actually it was pretty good from where I was sitting. The long break - Ben was stuffed --- Same for both sides.
Lia - He did not cost us the game, but you have to wonder why he started - I suspect he was to hump Broich, which he did.
This team ( in my opinion) is the best we have ever had and when they are on song they are fantastic to watch. The few concerns I have is we are not strong on the bench and as I have said many times before our pace at the back is a real worry. The reason we have got away with it this season is because Dura and Ben know each other better than any other pairing in the league. Brisbane used good balls to quicker players and we got outdone. I'm surprised the other coaches have not worked out that if you can get one on one with our central defenders then you are in the box seat.
Over the 90 mins, Roar were slightly the better side and I wish Broich was in our team.
very good post
Lots of excuses -- poor pitch - actually it was pretty good from where I was sitting. The long break - Ben was stuffed --- Same for both sides.
Lia - He did not cost us the game, but you have to wonder why he started - I suspect he was to hump Broich, which he did.
This team ( in my opinion) is the best we have ever had and when they are on song they are fantastic to watch. The few concerns I have is we are not strong on the bench and as I have said many times before our pace at the back is a real worry. The reason we have got away with it this season is because Dura and Ben know each other better than any other pairing in the league. Brisbane used good balls to quicker players and we got outdone. I'm surprised the other coaches have not worked out that if you can get one on one with our central defenders then you are in the box seat.
Over the 90 mins, Roar were slightly the better side and I wish Broich was in our team.
Spot on, really; except wishing Broich was in our side. Guy has the Paul Ifill limp constantly with none of the style.
Lots of excuses -- poor pitch - actually it was pretty good from where I was sitting. The long break - Ben was stuffed --- Same for both sides.
Lia - He did not cost us the game, but you have to wonder why he started - I suspect he was to hump Broich, which he did.
This team ( in my opinion) is the best we have ever had and when they are on song they are fantastic to watch. The few concerns I have is we are not strong on the bench and as I have said many times before our pace at the back is a real worry. The reason we have got away with it this season is because Dura and Ben know each other better than any other pairing in the league. Brisbane used good balls to quicker players and we got outdone. I'm surprised the other coaches have not worked out that if you can get one on one with our central defenders then you are in the box seat.
Over the 90 mins, Roar were slightly the better side and I wish Broich was in our team.
Spot on, really; except wishing Broich was in our side. Guy has the Paul Ifill limp constantly with none of the style.
Lia may not have cost us the game but he surely added nothing to our cause. One of the worst performances I have seen from a Phoenix player especially in the second half
I don't think it was the slow defenders issue for the second goal. They stupidly cough up the ball, Broich plays a perfect timed pass and and the striker has a cool finish. The attacker is always a step ahead, Dura was pretty close chasing him. That happens when you play a high line, the battle was lost in the midfield.
Lia may not have cost us the game but he surely added nothing to our cause. One of the worst performances I have seen from a Phoenix player especially in the second half
Massive over reaction.
It's not even Vinnies worst display.
We lost by one goal ffs. The way some are talking, you would have thought we lost by 5 it 6 goals. I'm pretty sure that the worst Nix player performance came in one of the games when we did lose like that, not last night.
it wasnt the worst performance. it was just sloppy
Given where we finished before the break it was a shame the team missed an opportunity to really make a statement about our title challenge. Dosnt really matter which way you look at it what was served up last nite was well below what they had shown before the break. Until we can go to places like Brisbane and perform there will be questions asked.
We lost by one goal ffs. The way some are talking, you would have thought we lost by 5 it 6 goals. I'm pretty sure that the worst Nix player performance came in one of the games when we did lose like that, not last night.
The Nix raised the bar, we are spoild.
Given where we finished before the break it was a shame the team missed an opportunity to really make a statement about our title challenge. Dosnt really matter which way you look at it what was served up last nite was well below what they had shown before the break. Until we can go to places like Brisbane and perform there will be questions asked.
The word for this performance was frustration - frustration that we could obviously play much better. We were just sloppy all over the park and it seemed like the break really hurt us, while it had the opposite effect for a Brisbane Roar team who were previously on the ropes.
