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R21 v Mariners | Fri 23 Feb | 9:45pm | SS3 | #AvoidTheSpoon

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about 8 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

Bananas wrote:

Hello spoon my old friend. 

RRRRR mate you got me going .... had to do a follow up... how's this as a first effort in about five minutes...

Hello spoon my old friend

I’ve come to hold you again

Because a vision softly creeping

Left its seeds as I was sleeping

And the vision

That was planted in my brain

Still remains

We hold the spoon

In restless dreams I walk alone

Down Wellington Streets of cobble stone

Neath the hallo of a street lamp

I turn my Nix shirt to the cold and damp

As my eyes were stabbed by a neon light.

In the naked light I saw

The Nix concede 100 goals maybe more

Nix players kicking without hitting the ball

Nix players tackling without getting the ball

Fools crappy play like a cancer grows

Hear my words that I might reach you

The words on skill are in Auckland now

And echoed in holding the spoon.

Love  that you put more effort in than me.  10/10

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about 8 years ago

We need to talk about Burns and AK.

Weemac should start ahead of Burns and not sure about AK, Monty?

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about 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

We need to talk about Burns and AK.

Weemac should start ahead of Burns and not sure about AK, Monty?

Weemac ccreated Krishna's chance against Perth



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about 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

We need to talk about Burns and AK.

Weemac should start ahead of Burns and not sure about AK, Monty?

more like what's wrong with Burns? I thought he was great in his first couple of games. He's been terrible in the last two.
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about 8 years ago

Player ratings accurate i reckon. Burns and Singh contributed the least.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

Just seen the highlights. Shocking defending from Doyle. 

That's a really disappointing result against a poor team.

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about 8 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Just seen the highlights. Shocking defending from Doyle. 

That's a really disappointing result against a poor team.

Not really pretty much says the level we are at. Dont get peoples expectation we should be hammering them. Have people forgotten what they did to us earlier this season.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Just seen the highlights. Shocking defending from Doyle. 

That's a really disappointing result against a poor team.

Yeh it wasn't great from Doyle, but he had been marking someone else then had to adjust as de Silva came running in late, so the momentum of movement was with the attacker. Doyle had a pretty good game for the most part, considering a lot of CCM's attacks came down his side.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

de silva ran right past burns who just let him go

given burn's general lack of effort, you'd have to question whether he even bothered to give doyle a shout

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about 8 years ago

Everytime we play a team with a ongoing bad record, it ends.

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about 8 years ago

nix nix wrote:

Everytime we play a team with a ongoing bad record, it ends.

Why can't we play the Phoenix next then?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

We always talk about how Finkler was a "luxury" player, the kind of guy who you could only get the best out of when he had other great players around him doing the dirty work. Could Burns be sort of similar in that regard? I still think he's definitely less lazy than Finkler and they are a different type of player I know, but I can't help but feel that he only plays well when the rest of the team are playing well. In the 14/15 season he was incredible and showed how devastating he could be at A-League level, but the rest of the team around him was great too. Moss in net, a mix of Siggy, Dura, Manny, Doyle and Boxall at the back (what I'd give to have a defence like that again, oh boy). Riera and Lia screening the defence, A-Rod and Bonevacia, Wee Mac and Krishna supporting Burns up top, Cunningham off the bench - what a team. Compare that to our current state, and Burn's current form. If that's the case then maybe that's just the kind of player he is, but I don't buy it when people say that he's just not as good as he was then. He's in the prime years of his career, his skills haven't regressed, he's just not showing them often yet because the rest of the team is shark and he needs good players around him/players in form. Thats the difference between him and Krishna I reckon, Roy will bust his gut regardless of whether we are shark or not and still looks class. I don't think Burns has that ability. Rant over, goodnight folks

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Just seen the highlights. Shocking defending from Doyle. 

That's a really disappointing result against a poor team.

Not really pretty much says the level we are at. Dont get peoples expectation we should be hammering them. Have people forgotten what they did to us earlier this season.

Not suggesting we should be hammering them, but they're in bad form and were level on points with us. That was as winnable of a match as we were going to get and we fluffed it.

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about 8 years ago

All I'm going to say is I regret staying up till midnight for this sharke.


VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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about 8 years ago

We always talk about how Finkler was a "luxury" player, the kind of guy who you could only get the best out of when he had other great players around him doing the dirty work. Could Burns be sort of similar in that regard? I still think he's definitely less lazy than Finkler and they are a different type of player I know, but I can't help but feel that he only plays well when the rest of the team are playing well. In the 14/15 season he was incredible and showed how devastating he could be at A-League level, but the rest of the team around him was great too. Moss in net, a mix of Siggy, Dura, Manny, Doyle and Boxall at the back (what I'd give to have a defence like that again, oh boy). Riera and Lia screening the defence, A-Rod and Bonevacia, Wee Mac and Krishna supporting Burns up top, Cunningham off the bench - what a team. Compare that to our current state, and Burn's current form. If that's the case then maybe that's just the kind of player he is, but I don't buy it when people say that he's just not as good as he was then. He's in the prime years of his career, his skills haven't regressed, he's just not showing them often yet because the rest of the team is shark and he needs good players around him/players in form. Thats the difference between him and Krishna I reckon, Roy will bust his gut regardless of whether we are shark or not and still looks class. I don't think Burns has that ability. Rant over, goodnight folks

good post

burns is absolute quality and getting the best out of him should be the priority for any a-league coach. 

i personally think he does best in a front 2 where he can concentrate on finding space on the right hand side and picking the ball up in the best positions an also not worry so much about protecting the right back when we don't have the ball. look how deep burns was when we were defending last weekend. is that where you want your best attacking weapon? 

right now, he's receiving the ball very slowly and often in a blind alley. he is easily closed down and outnumbered and therefore it is hard for him to impose himself on the game. if he is part of a front 3, the team needs to be more direct so he can be fed like how (a proper functioning) victory feed kosta. if you watch victory play, they are less effective when they slow things down, but when they feed leroy george and kosta quickly they are at their best. on the other hand, when they feed berisha early, they fall to bits and this is what brisbane recently made them do by getting their wide players to defend deep in front of the full backs.

they phoenix under merrick were very narrow and kept the ball in the middle for long periods before seeking to release the ball forward and wide into space quickly. it was like 'dinky dinky dinky boom!' the 'boom' was either a wide pass or a through ball. this is where burns flourished. unfortunately, merrick's reign turned into 'dinky dinky dinky dinky dinky opps'. 

when merricks team were at their best. burns didn't really have to defend, he would just seek to find wide space when we didn't have the ball. even though he was not defending as such, he was finding space out wide which had the bonus effect of doing a bit of a job killing options for opposition full back or at least making him second guess. a player does not always have to be behind the ball and ready to tackle in order to be effective defensively.

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about 8 years ago

Trouble is, half our players cannot make a simple pass to another team mate without losing possession. Hence Burns is starved of the chances.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

Lonegunmen wrote:

Trouble is, half our players cannot make a simple pass to another team mate without losing possession. Hence Burns is starved of the chances.

So much this. I am getting grey hair just by thinking if this is the outcome of poor technical quality of our current players, or of poor coaching. 

However, I prefer to go back to my original idea that by not having a critical mass of highly skilled players who can pass with confidence we also effectively shackled our good players who were terrified of passing to others who would lose the ball.  How else to explain the baffling loss of confidence among the quality players like AK9 or Paracki?

I get it that we do not have Sigmund, Muscat, Lia or Riera who were accurate passers and confident players. But many of them were also prone to fouls towards the end of their playing days. Surely by now we have enough players who should be able to shield the ball and pass it accurately. Fox is one of them, Doyle is not bad either (despite occasional howlers), Ridenton is a joy to behold at such young age, and even both Mullen and Galloway seem to have lifted their game (hoping for Mullen to recover with no consequences).  

Better minds than mine are pondering the same issues, but no answers are likely. This season has me truly flabbergasted. 

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Sorry to disagree, but, if you are a class player you still show elements of class when the dross of everything around you struggles on.
Giving the ball away most times you get it is not showing qualities of a class player. Yes the team can do better to put him into space more, but Burns needs to do better at the other times to give us a chance. 

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

Sorry to disagree, but, if you are a class player you still show elements of class when the dross of everything around you struggles on.
Giving the ball away most times you get it is not showing qualities of a class player. Yes the team can do better to put him into space more, but Burns needs to do better at the other times to give us a chance. 

Yes I agree with you, and Burns was in fact the worst repeat offender against CCM.

But it isn't just him, many of others have the same problem to  lesser degree, some of the time.  We had games where we just could not hold on to the ball at all (well, pretty much), for example the game against WSW.  That is my main gripe.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

I think the players have clearly given up on this season 

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

It appeared to me that Burns was trying to work too hard to repair all the damage throughout the game. And ultimately made things worse.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

It appeared to me that Burns was trying to work too hard to repair all the damage throughout the game. And ultimately made things worse.

Hmm, I must have dozed off and missed that. Then I woke up when he couldn't be arsed to run after the ball, missed the pass and threw Doyle under the bus as a result.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

It appeared to me that Burns was trying to work too hard to repair all the damage throughout the game. And ultimately made things worse.

Hmm, I must have dozed off and missed that. Then I woke up when he couldn't be arsed to run after the ball, missed the pass and threw Doyle under the bus as a result.

I thought I saw it more in the second half, not before the goal. Oh well. We can at least settle on the fact that Burnsy is struggling right now and I'm sure he can turn it around.
Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago

He hasn't played for two years so I don't know what we were expecting.

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about 8 years ago

For our next "Home Game" should we turn up with large Wooden Spoons??

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

He hasn't played for two years so I don't know what we were expecting.

he played 26 j-league games in the two and a half years he was away from the phoenix and no games in the six months prior to returning

so, yes this definitely has to be a factor

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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

He hasn't played for two years so I don't know what we were expecting.

he played 26 j-league games in the two and a half years he was away from the phoenix and no games in the six months prior to returning

so, yes this definitely has to be a factor

Um... he's been back playing for us for weeks now, how long do you need?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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