Refereeing Decisions v Perth

Refereeing Decisions v Perth

So the Inbreds from the far, far West have decided that the reason they lost was the referee.

Apparently, coveny's goal was offside from Covs
Felipe was offside for the 2nd
Both red cards weren't just


Just seen the replay, and with the aid of MySky, these are my views:

Covs is so far onside its not funny
Felipe was behind Elrich when he passed it. Onside.
Last man tackle from behind - red
Harnwell tackle - Probably harsh. A yellow I would say.

Your views?

100% agree with you.

I have been one to crictise refs. This time i say this ref was very good. He was consistant with his decisions, he kept up with play and his man-management of the players was very good. He dealt the shambles with Smeltz and the Perth player very well. This was a physical game and the ref could have lost control of the game quite quickly. This ref has so far been the best by far. He is head and shoulders above the rest, in fact there is daylight back to second, who ever that may be. My request, read begging, can he ref the Phoenix very week.  The cards were issued at the right time, the second may have been a bit harsh, but he was consistant. Perth tryed to get a Phoenix player sent off but the ref did not fall for their plan. GO PHOENIX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seemed to be in control, however i think the linesmen are always pretty late with their calls and fairly indecisive

The forum of which they come from is amusing to read. Filled of mindless 5 year olds...

I think the offside is from the pass to Smeltz to Felipe. Maybe, maybe not.

isnt it about time that the 50-50 calls went the Phoenix way, i mean we have certainly had our fair share of rough calls and its only half way through the first season.

Pause your youtube clip at the crucial point and it's clear to me that Felipe was behind Smeltz as the final pass was made: goal.

The Felipe goal? Looked just on to me. Maybe 50/50, but I haven't seen enough replays.

1st red card. Spot on, Coveny through one on one with the keeper if he hadn't been chopped. Going wide or not, it looked like an Obvious Goalscoring Opportunity to me. Once he gave the penalty, the red card was a formality.

Harnwell tackle. I reckon he got it right again. I won't go into 'Careless, Reckless, Excessive Force' referee speak, but I think the "tackle" just about covered all 3. From behind, in the air and nowhere near the ball. Deserved to go. The only one who didn't seem to be complaining that much about the decision was Harnwell himself.

As for linesmen making late calls. The changes to the interpretation of the Offside law mean that, in a lot of cases, the Lino has to wait before flagging, even if it looks like an obvious decision.

I thought all 3 officials had a good game.

Auckland Jag2007-12-08 18:49:51

Thats true.

The Felipe goal is 100% onside. I though it was Elrich that played the final ball though? Whoever passed it to Felipe is in front of Felipe, therefore Felipe has to be onside

I haven't seen enough replays but I'm pretty sure Felipe's goal was offside. Elrish passed it to Smeltz on the right who passed it forward to Felipe who was behind every single one of the Perth players (in my view) when the ball left Smeltz' foot.

I thought the first red card was the right decision, but Harnwell only deserved a yellow.

Overall, all of the officials did well.

I've watched replays all day today, but not because I want to check if it was onside. It was onside because the ref said so. Oi Oi Edgecumbe2007-12-08 21:13:26

Ive played it over and over again on My Sky and Ive paused it, and Felipe is definetly behind the ball when it is played.

I dont know wether them getting a player sent off is a good thing or a bad thing - we dont know how to play against 10, or even 9 men

The Felipe goal was boardrline. Unfortunately, there is no side on replay

1st red: Replays do not show conclusively what he played first HOWEVER the referee had good position

2nd red: two footed scissor lunge around the knee that was playing past the ball... Do you need a more obvious example of a red?

The only question I have is this

Why was Smeltz carded? It wasn't a shirt pull, he didn't get in the other guys face.
Why was the other guy not sent off. Contact above the neck region not relating to the ball. Strangulation Granted he was fouled but thats OTT. Come on Tom C, tell us.......

For his very first A-League game, Streb was pretty good
Agent 472007-12-08 21:24:01

WHO f**kING CARES ITZ A GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gloryhole had to kick off afterwards. WE WON A CRUCIAL ,CRUCIAL GAME WEVE FINALLY STARTED OUR RUN TO THE TOP FOUR!!!!!!! PHOENIX!!

Felipe nowhere to be seen when Smeltz has played the ball



Look at where the ball is when Felipe finally gets to where Smeltz played the ball

Great stuff.

Go post that on the Glory forum.

I originally thought it was offside as I thought the ball was played forward to Felipe who was behind the whole of the Perth team, but I stand corrected.

Doesnt matter if the ball was played forward, its the fact that Smeltz is in front of Felipe when the ball is played.

If we had lost last night I still would not have blamed the ref. I thought he handled it well, let it run yet wasn't afraid to make the big calls when required. Long overdue getting someone who pretty much got it all correct.

Smeltz is behind the last defender when he plays the pass (IE he is closer to the keeper than any of the defense is) therefore there is no way that Felipe can be offside, regardless of where he is.

Otherwise if you have a break and you have a 2 on 1 against the keeper you would have an offside when squaring it to your other player, but of course this doesn't happen (as the defender is behind you when you play the pass).

Nice one Wolfben.

Having seen photos and comments, I stand corrected on Felipes goal.

Apologies to all.

From that first pic you posted Wolfben, it looks like Smeltz could have had a go himself

He could,but if you look at Velaphi's position on the 2nd pic, it would have to have been a bloody precise shot to beat him.

Took the best option IMO

HarryHotspur2007-12-09 19:58:09

At first I thought Harnwell was unlucky but on replay with a tackle from behind and feet off the ground I don't think the ref had any choice.  The guy who grabbed the ref was a bit lucky too!

that was Djulbic, he put his hands on the ref twice in the match, waved his finger at him numerous times (just about saving him the bother of having to pick his own nose), and on a few occassions gave the ref a right old bollocking from about 1/2 a metre and i don't think the ref did a thing

I suppose he didn't want to have them down to 8 men, but he could have at least booked him (i don't think he'd got a yellow for any of his earlier tantrums)

Name and Fame We are always quick to hand out abuse to the bad refs, but we have just gone two pages praising a ref without mentioning his name. He was SREBRE DELOVSKI, a 32 year old  Assistant Accountant. Well done Sreb. Come again soon.

true. he was certainly one of the best was good old Srebre