How do people feel about the standard of Refs in the
A-League.?
Normally I wouldnt comment on Refs as I feel they do a very
difficult job, but unable to restrain myself after yet another
disappointing Refs performance. They seem very
inconsistant, one week letting everything go without a
card, the next cards come flying out. I wonder if they
are paid, are they suspended for poor matches is there any
control at all.
Just wondered if Im the only one disappointed in the standard
of the Refs in general
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They need more... if you do bad you have to ref a couple of low
level games, and in a couple of weeks they'll bring you back as a
touch judge.
I reackon the Girl Touch judge we had was the best. :)
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The fact that Breeze made Rienaldo take the pen again tonight
confirmed he is the kind of ref looking for decisions to make - not
good
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Griffiths, Laybutt, repeated 'simulation', they very rarely have
control of a match, and the urge to be at the centre of the TV
coverage from some of them is just embarassing.
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Sorry but I dont go with this blaming the refs when ever we have a
bad result,and that does seem to happen a lot.Maybe we should be
looking at our own game rather than blaming them.The TV coverage
didnt seem to be conclusive on the Elrich sending off but he was a
foll for even lifting it given what has gone down in previous
weeks.The two roar young guns falling over whenever someone goes
near them,just maybe their falls dont look as contrived as those
taken by our guys.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I dont blame the ref when we have a bad result. I havnt done that
in our previous losses.
But sorry. The ref has single handedly turned the game in Roars favour.
But sorry. The ref has single handedly turned the game in Roars favour.
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I won't blame a ref every time we lose, but that was a
disgrace.
Adelaide, Queensland, Newcastle, Mariners we deserved to lose (or at least had our own destiny in our hands), this game our chance was blown due to what at this stage appears to be highly questionable decisions.
Adelaide, Queensland, Newcastle, Mariners we deserved to lose (or at least had our own destiny in our hands), this game our chance was blown due to what at this stage appears to be highly questionable decisions.
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I won't blame a ref every time we lose, but that was a
disgrace.
Adelaide, Queensland, Newcastle, Mariners we deserved to lose (or at least had our own destiny in our hands), this game our chance was blown due to what at this stage appears to be highly questionable decisions.
Adelaide, Queensland, Newcastle, Mariners we deserved to lose (or at least had our own destiny in our hands), this game our chance was blown due to what at this stage appears to be highly questionable decisions.
Great posting HN
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Thats the beauty and the frustration with our game we can all see
things differently.I wouldnt mind betting the ref also got a call
from the linesman and yep the prat probably did fall down quicker
than if he had been shot,but Elrich needs to take some blame for
even lifting his elbow.Maybe its time for some of our guys to start
playing smarter rather than giving some of the refs an easy
option
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I really feel at this point that some of the A-League commentators
(notably Andy with a 'Y' Harper), have such a degree of
partizanship toward Australian teams that the Phoenix are seen
very much as the poor relation in each game. I thought long and
hard about that during tonight's game, and have decided I'm right
about that! I'm not sure how deliberate it is or not, but they can
answer that.
Never mind. Perhaps after a tough first season, a more settled
and established Phoenix next season will soften some of that, so
I'm prepared to give these guys the benefit of the doubt on
that.
That's Harper as in Hay Naldo by the way....
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Didnt agree with some of the ref's decisions, but then I'm only
watching on the tele. 2 points though
1. The decision to red card Elrich was over the top and the replays may back that up, there wasnt anything clear about them, and that changed the game
2. those 2 ponies Zullo and Grollo are very fast and do everything at high speed, so it is pretty hard for a ref to tell if they are dives or genuine. Looked about half half to me
1. The decision to red card Elrich was over the top and the replays may back that up, there wasnt anything clear about them, and that changed the game
2. those 2 ponies Zullo and Grollo are very fast and do everything at high speed, so it is pretty hard for a ref to tell if they are dives or genuine. Looked about half half to me
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Ballane, WTF?! You talk about dives as if they are a natural part of the game, as if they somehow fit into the world of football. I know, and I know you know, that they do not. Those two kiddies from Q�land took a tumble at every opportunity presented to them. Only Daniel form the Nix took a �dive� tonight, so how you can compare a �contrived� fall, to an actual foul is beyond me. You seriously need to sort out your point, and maybe look at replays and understand that when Zullo takes a touch too heavy, resulting in the ball going out, he will cry like a baby for his lack of maturity and skill. Stop defending the inabilities as if it were natural.
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Ballane, WTF?! You talk about dives as if they are a natural part of the game, as if they somehow fit into the world of football. I know, and I know you know, that they do not. Those two kiddies from Q�land took a tumble at every opportunity presented to them. Only Daniel form the Nix took a �dive� tonight, so how you can compare a �contrived� fall, to an actual foul is beyond me. You seriously need to sort out your point, and maybe look at replays and understand that when Zullo takes a touch too heavy, resulting in the ball going out, he will cry like a baby for his lack of maturity and skill. Stop defending the inabilities as if it were natural.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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The refs have been abysmal for most parts. I've seen only 2
exceptional performances so far this season. That's not just Nix
games but all the others on the TV as well. So it's not a poor
loser type scenario. The diving needs to be stomped, the elbowing,
the punching linos in the balls, and the blatent cheating by far
too many players. Good to see Daniel wound it in at long last,
despite not really being in the game. Griffiths - everyones
favourite player (Joel) needs a six month rest on the side line to
reflect on his blatant cheating. He has some real talent if only he
used it instead of taking the easy route.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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So the red card was for an elbow then? I couldn't see clearly on the small pub screen I was watching but I thought it was given for a head butt, ie, Elrich flinging the back of his head into Suk Mee's face. Before the whistle was even blown I saw Elrich rub the back of his head, like, ow, that hurt.
Anyone else with an insight?
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I couldn't see it on my 42" plasma screen from less than 4 feet!!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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I couldn't see it on my 42" plasma screen from less than 4
feet!!
Now thats an invitation for YF next home game.GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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No matter how close to the TV you sit it's always hard to see when
you're one-eyed!
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It was a penalty though, I have to say.
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His arms wereraised before the ball was kicked and there was no
way, he could have gotten out of the way, he was comitted to the
charge. I'm surprised the player didn't fake it and dribble past
him and shoot.
Sorry, I try to attend home games. Away games if i am not
working! I live in Upper Hutt!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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I meant away games yours makes my piddly 26" sound like heaven
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I see what you mean, Lone, about him raising his hands before the
ball was kicked, but he wasn't doing so to protect his face;
rather he was instinctively trying to block the ball's course
towards goal (his hands were way over his head when the ball struck
them). Therefore, alas, the ref had no option but to give a penalty
for a handball offence.
That said, I think the ref was pretty ordinary overall.
StopOut2007-11-12 01:03:02
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About diving, i've said it before and i'll say it again... I just
don't see it as a problem. At all.
If a player wants to roll around on the floor then let them - that's one less player playing for their team for the whole time they're lying down.
If there has been a foul, then give a free kick. If there hasn't then play on. Then the only controversy is whether the referee gets the call right and in my opinion he's much more likely to get it right if he doesn't have to worry about working out whether the guy dived etc.
Judge a tackle by the tackle not where the guy ends up lying afterwards.
If a player wants to roll around on the floor then let them - that's one less player playing for their team for the whole time they're lying down.
If there has been a foul, then give a free kick. If there hasn't then play on. Then the only controversy is whether the referee gets the call right and in my opinion he's much more likely to get it right if he doesn't have to worry about working out whether the guy dived etc.
Judge a tackle by the tackle not where the guy ends up lying afterwards.
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I really feel at this point that some of the A-League commentators
(notably Andy with a 'Y' Harper), have such a degree of
partizanship toward Australian teams that the Phoenix are seen
very much as the poor relation in each game. I thought long and
hard about that during tonight's game, and have decided I'm right
about that! I'm not sure how deliberate it is or not, but they can
answer that.
Never mind. Perhaps after a tough first season, a more settled
and established Phoenix next season will soften some of that, so
I'm prepared to give these guys the benefit of the doubt on
that.
That's Harper as in Hay Naldo by the way....
Agreed their is an overall sh*t attitude towards NZ by the
commentators and some of the refs (as showed last night) Since the
league has NZ and AU in it How bout some NZ commentators? I'm sure
Frankie Mac would be free at all the games.
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I think the FFA should look into signing some "Marquee Referees"
because its quite clear that the jokers that have the whistles now
cannot handle anything above the Upper Hutt Under 9's!.
Somebody jump on the phone to Graham Poll...he's got Yellow
Fever!!!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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He really shouldn't have raised his hands anyway, especially not in
the penalty area.
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This year is the first year I have watched the A-league. I normally have only folllowed Premiership/Worldcup/Champions League.
What I have found good about the A-league is that there are
some quite skilled players and some good teams.
However what has been the most obvious is the generally
appaling standard of the match officials.There are clearly many
ref's who are completly incompetent. They tend to
lack the ability to control a game. They let too much contact
happen and then when it gets out of control they overreact and
start waving cards.
Without doubt this League is the most physical I have seen.
Juninho commented in the Sydney Morning Herald that he has been
appaled by the degree of contact allowed in the A-league. What it
means is that it is very difficult for the smaller skilled player
to make their mark. We have seen it with the Phoenix where Felipe
has been smashed out of a couple of games.
If the standard of refereeing is not improved then the end
result will be a league of Watfords. Playing the longball with a
bunch of Vinny Jones's hacking everyone down in defence.There has
to be a place in the game for the skilled playmakers to do their
stuff.
The solution.....get some Premier League refs over to control
some early season games and set a bench mark...they could then run
some ref's clinics to get everyone up to speed.
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Having been a rugby referee for nine years I actually recognize the
pattern going on in the A-League at the moment and it's a trap that
almost all referees fall into at times. They are refereeing and
what they think they see, not on what they see.
I've coached a number of referees out of this habit and it's surprisingly easy. See something, take a deep breath and then blow your whistle if you think it was a foul. Just the extra few moment to take that breath will allow your brain to catch up.
I've coached a number of referees out of this habit and it's surprisingly easy. See something, take a deep breath and then blow your whistle if you think it was a foul. Just the extra few moment to take that breath will allow your brain to catch up.
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Following email received from the FFA in regards to Referees
Dear Charlie,
Thank you for your email, your feedback is important to us.
In response, Football Federation Australia has protocol in place whereby Referees, Assistant Referees and 4th Officials are all subject to a match by match assessment of their performance. The assessment process is designed to further improve the standard of refereeing as the league develops.
The FFA trusts that this addresses your concern and that you will continue to support the Hyundai A-League.
regards,
Richard Lorenc
National Refereeing Manager
Richard Lorenc
National Refereeing Manager
Football Federation Australia
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About diving, i've said it before and i'll say it again... I just
don't see it as a problem. At all.
If a player wants to roll around on the floor then let them - that's one less player playing for their team for the whole time they're lying down.
If there has been a foul, then give a free kick. If there hasn't then play on. Then the only controversy is whether the referee gets the call right and in my opinion he's much more likely to get it right if he doesn't have to worry about working out whether the guy dived etc.
Judge a tackle by the tackle not where the guy ends up lying afterwards.
If a player wants to roll around on the floor then let them - that's one less player playing for their team for the whole time they're lying down.
If there has been a foul, then give a free kick. If there hasn't then play on. Then the only controversy is whether the referee gets the call right and in my opinion he's much more likely to get it right if he doesn't have to worry about working out whether the guy dived etc.
Judge a tackle by the tackle not where the guy ends up lying afterwards.
I don't think you are really making sense. You say you don't
see diving as a problem. At All.
Then you say at the end there is a problem with diving because
the ref has to work out whether it was a dive or not to get the
call right. This is "a problem" - and a very large one.
A player can take a dive, get the opposition player sent off
and then suffer no penalty for themselves when footage shows they
have cheated. I support having large match bans for players who
dive - this can be seen through video footage after the match.
Unfortunately it is to hard for the ref to tell if it's a dive a
lot of the time live. Though of course they can book a player
currently if they playact.
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Poor officials - Central Coast v Adelaide, The " no
goal " decision in the 38min where the Mariners team
left the field celebrating what they thought was a goal.[ it should
have been given, the scorer was clearly on side] Seeing
the linesmens flag up, Adelaide took the free kick and were away on
goal when Simon Przydacz blows his whistle [ for what who knowns]
and tells Adelaide to retake the kick and to let the Mariners
players back into position.These two decisions in my view
show the standard of officials is so low when basic decisions
are so wrong. ps [ Przdacz thought it was not fair to let Adelaide
score, plonker]
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Probably didnt take the free kick from the "right spot" !!!!
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Like all Free Kicks, never taken from the " RIGHT SPOT
" .
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The refs seem to be blinded by the lights, the big time as it were.
The free kick thing is a symptom of trying to get the controllable
thing right when they know the rest is getting beyond them. It
makes for an unbalanced game with too many free kicks and cards or
no where enough and then people start to get chopped and then all
hell breaks lose.
One can only hope the post match meetings are getting them closer to 'better' by the end of the season
mrmegamowman2007-11-14 11:00:15
One can only hope the post match meetings are getting them closer to 'better' by the end of the season
mrmegamowman2007-11-14 11:00:15
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