Wellington Phoenix Men

R27 v Sydney | Sunday 26th April | 5:00pm

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almost 11 years ago

But we play better against attacking teams.

A fan is a fan.

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Surely technical ability is the key attribute.

Not if two teams are the same in that attribute, sometimes you need an alpha tier to make the difference.

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almost 11 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

But we play better against attacking teams.

like bling and the tards.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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almost 11 years ago

I reckon it's all about the "ebb and flow of psychic energy"

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almost 11 years ago

1000s of luminous spheres!

"Phoenix till they lose"

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almost 11 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

But we play better against teams that are disorganised at the back

fify



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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

So you can lose mental toughness over a season? ...

Could it be that we had a tougher run in the second half of the season?

a) Yes, in exactly the same way you can lose physical fitness; by lack of exercise.

b) WSW 2 - 0 Nix. Tough fixture, that one.



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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

liberty_nz wrote:

I reckon it's all about the "ebb and flow of psychic energy"

Maybe a witchdoctor hexed us, like he hexed the Socceroos in Mozambique in 1974. Oops, ConanTroutman beat me to it.


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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Jeff Vader wrote:

 1 time at band camp, we took it up the ass from the opposition when we should not have.

Congratulations, this made me literally LOL. Big fan of Alyson Hannigan's work.

But to deal with your serious point: mental fortitude in the way I understand it expresses itself as consistency. Would our biggest spruiker say we´ve been consistent, rather than running hot and cold?


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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Surely technical ability is the key attribute.

I've seen jugglers in circuses with technical ability but I bet they are not good footballers.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Surely technical ability is the key attribute.

I've seen jugglers in circuses with technical ability but I bet they are not good footballers.

Classic Leggyism

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almost 11 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

 1 time at band camp, we took it up the ass from the opposition when we should not have.

Congratulations, this made me literally LOL. Big fan of Alyson Hannigan's work.

But to deal with your serious point: mental fortitude in the way I understand it expresses itself as consistency. Would our biggest spruiker say we´ve been consistent, rather than running hot and cold?

Personally I don't know. I have not really looked at it so I'm not going to say its an issue or not an issue. I do accept that there are cases to be made whereby in some games, we have bottled it, and other games, we have stood up. Just because there have been some games like that, does not mean to say we are mentally strong, or mentally weak. 

I would suggest that with the exception of teams at the pointy ends of the competition ladder in most sports, that would be par for the course that teams have up and down games in the mental department. Those whom have less 'on' games, would probably tend towards the bottom of the table and the opposite for those that have more 'on' games. When you look were we finished - 4th and in the running for 2nd, mental toughness would not necessarily be an issue with this team however there are the odd example where they have proven and disproven it.

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Double post

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almost 11 years ago

which would suggest it is mostly just a lazy cliche journalists can use in their articles after a game. 


Allegedly

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almost 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

which would suggest it is mostly just a lazy cliche journalists can use in their articles after a game. 

I guess in some cases, yes. 

I look at the Warriors this year and I think they lack.... I'm not going to say mental toughness but certainly mental application so if it was used in relation to the Warriors, I would be ok with that.

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almost 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Tegal wrote:

which would suggest it is mostly just a lazy cliche journalists can use in their articles after a game. 

I guess in some cases, yes. 

I look at the Warriors this year and I think they lack.... I'm not going to say mental toughness but certainly mental application so if it was used in relation to the Warriors, I would be ok with that.

I think that word would be discipline in their case. 


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almost 11 years ago

Mental toughness = Mojo ?

Michael Burgess - Herald "The Phoenix have definitely lost their mojo over the past six weeks; there is no lack of spirit or endeavour but Ernie Merrick's team don't appear to have the same confidence on attack or poise on defence. That's hard to regain on the training field but could happen with a solid 90 minutes and a few goals against Melbourne City on Sunday."

However you define it, it is a mental thing. 

We have the players with the technical ability, they havent clicked in the last month, need to on Sunday

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almost 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Tegal wrote:

which would suggest it is mostly just a lazy cliche journalists can use in their articles after a game. 

I guess in some cases, yes. 

I look at the Warriors this year and I think they lack.... I'm not going to say mental toughness but certainly mental application so if it was used in relation to the Warriors, I would be ok with that.

I think that word would be discipline in their case. 

Yeah I can accept that. I generally view discipline in relation to indiscipline i.e. yellow red cards but I get what you are saying. Maybe application is what I am thinking off.

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almost 11 years ago

I read some god awful sharke on this site but at the end of the day I love the passion

Sunday 7:00 we will fudge City up good and proper.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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almost 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Tegal wrote:

which would suggest it is mostly just a lazy cliche journalists can use in their articles after a game. 

I guess in some cases, yes. 

I look at the Warriors this year and I think they lack.... I'm not going to say mental toughness but certainly mental application so if it was used in relation to the Warriors, I would be ok with that.

I think that word would be discipline in their case. 

Yeah I can accept that. I generally view discipline in relation to indiscipline i.e. yellow red cards but I get what you are saying. Maybe application is what I am thinking off.

Some teams do just end up with the habit of winning when they don't seem like they should on paper or on the balance of play - Man Utd at the end of Fergie's reign for instance. Jose Mourinho teams often do it too. Even CCM used to be a bit like that. 

Then there are teams which seem to just not manage to pull their shark together even when they should seem to - Man City this season for instance. But outside of those extremes, most teams seem to have their fair share of mental wins and losses.

I don't watch the Warriors enough these days to know if they fit at either extreme but I don't think that the current Phoenix do - we're an average side mentally: not particularly weak, not particularly strong. but this season pretty much all  A League sides have been similar to us in that regard

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almost 11 years ago

Ernie has spoken before about how he had to change the way players reacted under certain circumstances.

I would say he has worked on their mental toughness to achieve some of the results this year, especially after going behind early.

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almost 11 years ago

Yeah thats a good point. Belief to win in Melbourne, winning away and coming from behind. It helps to be very fit but those are good indicators.

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almost 11 years ago

Shame mental toughness doesn't include pens and corners though.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

technical ability is about consistency also - being able to do great things is only part of it. The best teams do great things more often.

I like tautologies because I like them.
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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Talking about penalty kicks, this was a non forgettable day for Bayern. Lahm, Alonso and Neuer all missed their penalty's this morning in the DFB-Pokal semi against Dortmund.

Update: Goetze's one got saved by Langerak. 

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Tegal wrote:

which would suggest it is mostly just a lazy cliche journalists can use in their articles after a game. 

It may well be used that way by many but it is certainly based on something that is real.

Edit: As usual, many of us are arguing for the sake of argument, but I, personally, find the whole mental aspect of sport interesting. If there are any young hopefuls out there reading this forum and you haven't yet explored the mental side of serious sport - do it now - it will be of immense benefit.

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