Whilst not wanting to be a kill joy or sycophantic joy rider for that matter there comes a time for a review of the seasons performances / results etc so thought I would start off
How much of a success was this season...REALLY?...sure there
were impressive results here & there but the over riding fact
is there is (at time of this blurb going to print) only 1 point
difference between what The Knights achieved last season and The
Phoenix this season.
If this was any other League The Phoenix would be steering
down the gun of relegation
Personally,I have found it rather odd...perception is such a
curious state of Mind!
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The only reason the Knights ended on "so many" points is because
Ricki took over at the end. Also worth nothing that this season is
much closer than the last one.
Also, how many points did the Knights get in their FIRST season? Like 5? Bleh.
That said, this season should've been more successful than it was really. We had / have a squad that would've been able to come sixth I believe, and that would've been considered a very successful season for the nix. Not last. Mind you, we could still come 7th? :S
Also, how many points did the Knights get in their FIRST season? Like 5? Bleh.
That said, this season should've been more successful than it was really. We had / have a squad that would've been able to come sixth I believe, and that would've been considered a very successful season for the nix. Not last. Mind you, we could still come 7th? :S
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Look at it this way - before this weekend, there was only 11 points
difference between top and bottom. That's only a couple of wins
away from top four contention. And we all saw how some games
slipped away from the team this year. I'm picking better run of the
green next season, therefore better final table for us.
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The only reason the Knights ended on "so many" points is because
Ricki took over at the end. Also worth nothing that this season is
much closer than the last one.
Also, how many points did the Knights get in their FIRST season? Like 5? Bleh.
That said, this season should've been more successful than it was really. We had / have a squad that would've been able to come sixth I believe, and that would've been considered a very successful season for the nix. Not last. Mind you, we could still come 7th? :S
We can still come 6th. Just need to whip CCM tonight and hope
Adelaide have their arses handed to them tomorrow. Always
optimistic.
Also, how many points did the Knights get in their FIRST season? Like 5? Bleh.
That said, this season should've been more successful than it was really. We had / have a squad that would've been able to come sixth I believe, and that would've been considered a very successful season for the nix. Not last. Mind you, we could still come 7th? :S
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Well the way Adelaide have been playing of late I can see them
losing by like 5 goals to Queensland, but I doubt our boys have the
goods to beat CCM by that many...
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It's been frustrating to know how many more points we could have
picked up, and how much better we would have been placed. But for a
bit of luck and a bit of tweaking, it could just as easily have
been a top four finish first season up.
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Is it just me or are these "Are we really more successful than the
Kingz/Knights because they had this many points and the Nix only
got this many" threads a bit pointless. Different club, different
time, different strengths and weaknesses of other A league teams,
etc, etc. Trying to somehow suggest that this season isn't a
success because we only got one more point than the Knights isn't a
valid comparison. Jag2008-01-19 20:10:26
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I think there are plenty of differences between the knights and the
phoenix;
- phoenix was put together in 3-4 months, knights had 6 years (although 4 years of kingz)
- knights goal diff was -26 and only started winning when ricki took over
- knights only scored 13 goals phoenix nearly double
- phoenix average crowd was 3 times that of knights
- merchandise sales must be massively more for phoenix
had it not been for a few 90min blunders, the phoenix would potentially be 5th.
and We're not Auckland anymore
- phoenix was put together in 3-4 months, knights had 6 years (although 4 years of kingz)
- knights goal diff was -26 and only started winning when ricki took over
- knights only scored 13 goals phoenix nearly double
- phoenix average crowd was 3 times that of knights
- merchandise sales must be massively more for phoenix
had it not been for a few 90min blunders, the phoenix would potentially be 5th.
and We're not Auckland anymore
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I think there are plenty of differences between the knights and the
phoenix;
- phoenix was put together in 3-4 months, knights had 6 years (although 4 years of kingz)
- knights goal diff was -26 and only started winning when ricki took over
- knights only scored 13 goals phoenix nearly double
- phoenix average crowd was 3 times that of knights
- merchandise sales must be massively more for phoenix
had it not been for a few 90min blunders, the phoenix would potentially be 5th.
and We're not Auckland anymore
- phoenix was put together in 3-4 months, knights had 6 years (although 4 years of kingz)
- knights goal diff was -26 and only started winning when ricki took over
- knights only scored 13 goals phoenix nearly double
- phoenix average crowd was 3 times that of knights
- merchandise sales must be massively more for phoenix
had it not been for a few 90min blunders, the phoenix would potentially be 5th.
and We're not Auckland anymore
for my money Barts, you've answered tunnelrat's question!!
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i think in the stone cold light of tommorow morning we could wake
up tommorow and have finished our first season in 8th. now for most
of the season ricki has said i dont mind where we finish as long as
its not 8th but lately the last bit of tht sentence seems to have
dissapeared.
so we may finish 8th and that is dissapointing but the phoenix
story this season is about much more than that one number. next
year it will be about that number but this year was about
more
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Not too bad a season - building this season, lack of time etc.
Overall I'd give it 7/10 - Would have been better with a little more application.
We now have several months to gather a better squad - kick out some of the poorer performers.
I feel we (media, supporters, sponsors) have been very forgiving this year. Next year, we will want more. Personally, I expect a top 4 finish.
Will be renewing by season pass (with dughter) next year - no doubt - and hope to get a couple of others to empty their piggy banks
Overall I'd give it 7/10 - Would have been better with a little more application.
We now have several months to gather a better squad - kick out some of the poorer performers.
I feel we (media, supporters, sponsors) have been very forgiving this year. Next year, we will want more. Personally, I expect a top 4 finish.
Will be renewing by season pass (with dughter) next year - no doubt - and hope to get a couple of others to empty their piggy banks
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Is it just me or are these "Are we really more successful than the
Kingz/Knights because they had this many points and the Nix only
got this many" threads a bit pointless. Different club, different
time, different strengths and weaknesses of other A league teams,
etc, etc. Trying to somehow suggest that this season isn't a
success because we only got one more point than the Knights isn't a
valid comparison.
From an on the field results point of view I think it's very
valid.
But to answer the original point, I'm inclined to measure the
seasons success on bodies through the gates, coverage in the media
and general feeling about the club. I think we've been very
poor on the field for most of the season (the table doesn't lie),
however we've still managed an average gate of over 11k. I'd
call that success.
Next season will be interesting, let's see what the crowds are
if we're languishing at the foot of the table.
Our football needs to improve dramatically, we've got a long
way to go.
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In terms of on the field it is about where i thought we would be.
Top four was never going to happen.
Off the field things seem to be in order. The average crowd has been the thing that has most amazed me.
Off the field things seem to be in order. The average crowd has been the thing that has most amazed me.
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We're going to get a lot of these from the typical Phoenix
knockers...
Always looking for an excuse. The stigma of the bottom placed finish will give them that excuse.
They'll jump on the bandwagon next year when we are challenging for the title.
We've been languishing near the bottom for most home games and the crowds have still turned up. Moot point.
valeo2008-01-19 23:02:58
Always looking for an excuse. The stigma of the bottom placed finish will give them that excuse.
They'll jump on the bandwagon next year when we are challenging for the title.
Is it just me or are these "Are we really more successful than the
Kingz/Knights because they had this many points and the Nix only
got this many" threads a bit pointless. Different club, different
time, different strengths and weaknesses of other A league teams,
etc, etc. Trying to somehow suggest that this season isn't a
success because we only got one more point than the Knights isn't a
valid comparison.
From an on the field results point of view I think it's very
valid.
But to answer the original point, I'm inclined to measure the
seasons success on bodies through the gates, coverage in the media
and general feeling about the club. I think we've been very
poor on the field for most of the season (the table doesn't lie),
however we've still managed an average gate of over 11k. I'd
call that success.
Next season will be interesting, let's see what the crowds are
if we're languishing at the foot of the table.
Our football needs to improve dramatically, we've got a long
way to go.
We've been languishing near the bottom for most home games and the crowds have still turned up. Moot point.
valeo2008-01-19 23:02:58
a.haak
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Moot Point....First Season novelty value.....Its a concern I hold
as have seen it all before.
Yes there are positives...that comes with the bucks thrown
around personally hope last place does not happen again next
season but basically the concerns come from supporting a team in an
Aussie Comp since 99.
Where were most of you then!!?
Tunnelrat2008-01-19 23:15:52
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Moot Point....First Season novelty value.....Its a concern I hold
as have seen it all before.
Yes there are positives...that comes with the bucks thrown
around personally hope last place does not happen again next
season but basically the concerns come from supporting a team in an
Aussie Comp since 99.
Where were most of you then!!?
In the football capital of Wellington waiting on Chris
Turner's false promises to keep bringing Kingz games here. Bullsh*t
merchant.
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Moot Point....First Season novelty value.....Its a concern I hold
as have seen it all before.
Yes there are positives...that comes with the bucks thrown
around personally hope last place does not happen again next
season but basically the concerns come from supporting a team in an
Aussie Comp since 99.
Where were most of you then!!?
In the football capital of Wellington waiting on Chris
Turner's false promises to keep bringing Kingz games here. Bullsh*t
merchant.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Moot Point....First Season novelty value.....Its a concern I hold
as have seen it all before.
Yes there are positives...that comes with the bucks thrown
around personally hope last place does not happen again
next season but basically the concerns come from supporting a team
in an Aussie Comp since 99.
Where were most of you then!!?
So, an average of over 11000 were bribed to come to the games every week then?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Valeo quote "We're going to get a lot of these from the typical
Phoenix knockers.."
Jeez Valeo I am not knocking them I am voicing a concern and a
warning not to allow any sort of "Snow Job" be dished out
JC knows we had enough of that in previous seasons.
Why is it that when anybody raises anything construed as
negative (To arouse robust debate and show concern) the is a
defensive mentality.
To me it is shows possibly a lack
experience/maturity/insecurity (which I now will again be taken out
of context or as an insult) because in business debates
/disagreements are an integral part of any development .
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I think its the fact we had little time to build the squad that was
most responsible for our lack of fortunes on the pitch, plus our
great results pre-season gave somewhat of a false impression. Now
that Ricki has seen everyone over the course of a season, I think
everything will be put into perspective for him, and he will be
able to build a more competent side for next season.
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Jag...Umm Look I am not getting into any Auckland V Wellington
debate here but if you want...do you have a $400,000 mtge on a
$500,000 property (starting point)compete with
Rugby,Warriors,Breakers,cricket,numerous concerts ,...restaurants
descretionary $$ etc ...look i aint gonna carry on with this cause
I could go on and it is a no win debate and serves no point.
read above thread
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Think that, in this case, given the unusual circumstances in which
the team came together, it was always going to be extremely
difficult. I don't think anyone's looking at pulling a 'snow job'
and I think most of us are disappointed about our final league
position.
I think, and this is probably what I meant by invalid comparisons, that next season will be the one when comparisons can start to be made against how this season went. If we don't show a considerable improvement, given that all involved have now had a season under their belt and that recruitment of new players can now be made in a considerably less frenzied manner than this year, then I would expect a few heads to roll.
I think, and this is probably what I meant by invalid comparisons, that next season will be the one when comparisons can start to be made against how this season went. If we don't show a considerable improvement, given that all involved have now had a season under their belt and that recruitment of new players can now be made in a considerably less frenzied manner than this year, then I would expect a few heads to roll.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Consider this....last three games no goals scored...seven
conceeded.....Where would we have been if it wasn't for Glen Moss
!!!!
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One of the reasons Tunnelrat could well be
that some of us are just so pissed off with what seems to be the
constant bashing that takes place on here from some who really seem
to want the whole thing to fail again and it dosnt matter how some
of them try to put it thats clearly what they want.
Yes im FKN disappointed with how the season has turned out,but i will be back again next season no matter what the results are.
Know maybe the management team can work on getting a team together that can provide the results that we can shovel some of the crap thats been posted down the knockers FKN throats.
Yes im FKN disappointed with how the season has turned out,but i will be back again next season no matter what the results are.
Know maybe the management team can work on getting a team together that can provide the results that we can shovel some of the crap thats been posted down the knockers FKN throats.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Jag...Umm Look I am not getting into any Auckland V Wellington
debate here but if you want...do you have a $400,000 mtge on a
$500,000 property (starting point)compete with
Rugby,Warriors,Breakers,cricket,numerous concerts ,...restaurants
descretionary $$ etc ...look i aint gonna carry on with this cause
I could go on and it is a no win debate and serves no point.
read above thread
Then why does any sporting organisation even bother up there then? I'm speaking as somebody with a large mortgage, who is a Warriors season ticket holder and who trawled from Pukekohe to Knights games on a regular basis. Yeah there are economic factors at work but there is also a great deal of apathy in Auckland. People in Wellington also have large mortgages, rugby and cricket and there are restaurants in Wellington as well. It's a bit of a simplistic argument. So I'll agree with you that it's a no-win debate
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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One of the reasons Tunnelrat could well be
that some of us are just so pissed off with what seems to be the
constant bashing that takes place on here from some who really seem
to want the whole thing to fail again and it dosnt matter how some
of them try to put it thats clearly what they want.
Yes im FKN disappointed with how the season has turned out,but i will be back again next season no matter what the results are.
Know maybe the management team can work on getting a team together that can provide the results that we can shovel some of the crap thats been posted down the knockers FKN throats.
Yes im FKN disappointed with how the season has turned out,but i will be back again next season no matter what the results are.
Know maybe the management team can work on getting a team together that can provide the results that we can shovel some of the crap thats been posted down the knockers FKN throats.
Funny thing perceptions....I always thought it was relatively
positive
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Then why does any sporting organisation even bother up there then? I'm speaking as somebody with a large mortgage, who is a Warriors season ticket holder and who trawled from Pukekohe to Knights games on a regular basis. Yeah there are economic factors at work but there is also a great deal of apathy in Auckland. People in Wellington also have large mortgages, rugby and cricket and there are restaurants in Wellington as well. It's a bit of a simplistic argument. So I'll agree with you that it's a no-win debate
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Then why does any sporting organisation even bother up there then? I'm speaking as somebody with a large mortgage, who is a Warriors season ticket holder and who trawled from Pukekohe to Knights games on a regular basis. Yeah there are economic factors at work but there is also a great deal of apathy in Auckland. People in Wellington also have large mortgages, rugby and cricket and there are restaurants in Wellington as well. It's a bit of a simplistic argument. So I'll agree with you that it's a no-win debate
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Funny thing is with such a large UK Migrant population in Ak
(East Coast Bays etc) I always found it rather odd you never got
many along
Maybe its a completely different demographic to who is in
Wellington (Age wise?) who knows
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mm...Think I may change my handle to "Devils Advocate"
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It would never of failed in the first place if it wasn't for the
idiots at Sky.
Three for me, and two for them.
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Buffon-Whats with the Arsenal Motto on the PIGS BLADDER?!!
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It's a heart you nonce!!
Three for me, and two for them.
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You mean Cardiac Thorasic region complete with Tricuspit Valve
Mitral Valve Inferior Superior Venacarva etc !!...
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It's a heart you nonce!!
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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You mean Cardiac Thorasic region complete with Tricuspit Valve
Mitral Valve Inferior Superior Venacarva etc !!...
Yes, it's a heart!
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You mean Cardio Thoracic region complete with
Tricuspid Valve Mitral Valve Inferior Superior Vena Cava etc
!!...
Tidied that up for you, Bud.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I'm taking the piss...Nonce back at Ya !!
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You mean Cardio Thoracic region complete with Tricuspid Valve
Mitral Valve Inferior Superior Vena Cava etc !!...
Tidied that up for you, Bud.Nice to see a heartfelt action.
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You mean Cardio Thoracic region complete with Tricuspid Valve
Mitral Valve Inferior Superior Vena Cava etc !!...
Tidied that up for you, Bud.Nice to see a heartfelt action.
Uh oh! It's happening again......
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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