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Steven Old

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steven Old
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I am sorry but from what i have seen live and on tv Steven Old is not up to this level - his distribution is poor, for a big lad he isnt strong in the air or tackle and positionally he gets caught time and time again......
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yep he was the worst player on the park tonight. Completely killed our momentum at every opportunity. valeo2007-12-14 21:41:03

a.haak

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
unfortunatly I have to agree. all he did was play useless longballs, a big disapointment
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Its not the fact he plays the long ball 10 times out of 9, when he does try anything else he looks like a gorm and either argues with the ref/lino or himself, i dont know which is worse...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
never passed it to a phoenix player
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No you're wrong, he did pass it to Lockhead once.

I really hoped Ricki would sub him off, drop Locks back and bring Daniel on to link up with Felipe. Together they might have won the game for us.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why does he consistenty make this side - i thought he was average in the a-league last year when he played and in the nzfc he wasnt outstanding... does surprise me how he gets chosen above others - sigmund included in the last few years
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we play to many long balls all the time. the amount of possession we give away must be mad.
the set plays were a waste of time, and some of the free kicks were so rushed we might as well od just given the ball away.
 
long ball = absolute s hi te it has to stop
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
on the long ball point i agree especially in the last ten mins, but v sydney (h) and perhaps adelaide (h) we were perhaps trying to be too intricate and close, at least there some variety there now for the opposition to have to respond to

re Old, I'd want to see an improvement before the end of the season (or, if not - 2 new wide defenders)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
For once, I agree with everyone, Old is not up to it, drop lochead back, hes a fullback not a wide player.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be fair, we aint good enough playing the ball from the back full stop.
Too many long high balls that the defences are just eating up.
 
We need Daniels energy in there to try and work the ball thru on the ground. We looked a different side when he came on.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Also have to agree with everything been said on here

I suspect he could be one of the players released at the end of the season
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I bet he isnt tho and that is the scarey part - seems he is liked in some quarters
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Distribution is mud. Every time he gets the ball I cringe. Shame really. 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
shown up by Rees - he also hasn't got pace, but he gets the tackle in before the opponent gets away  - and I always seem to notice Rees heading back from the opposition goalmouth after looking for a header opportunity. Where's Old in all this?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Rees can deliver a damn good cross. Old and even Dodd is starting to make me nervous passing it around the bck instead of feeding the midfield.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve old is gOLD!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Horus wrote:
For once, I agree with everyone, Old is not up to it, drop lochead back, hes a fullback not a wide player.


Each to their own horus, sure Lochhead is also good in a 4-4-2, but he's doing fine in his current role

I've been impressed with Lochhead's contribution as a wide mid, he reads the game well, is prepared to commit to a tackle but will also close a player down until he's got cover, he posses the pace and willingness to go past players that someone like Elrich seems to have lost, and he gets involved, his passing options are usually intelligent

he also generally snuffs out any threat from the opposition wide defender coming forward


tigers2007-12-15 09:58:47
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Unfortunately he got a lot of attention as a very young player and hasn't really fulfilled his potential.  He should really be stepping up but looks out of his depth. 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's played pretty well over the past few weeks, but he wasn't as clinical as he has been in previous games last night, which he'll probably be the first to admit.

But he's a young guy who thrives on confidence, and anyone who's ever watched him move through age grade football can tell you that. He's at his best when he's got a little moxey going on.

This season, however, he seems to be short a positive thought or two, and when you don't have experience to fall back on, that really really hampers your performance. I still think he's worth the time and effort, because he has shown glimpses of what he's capable of when he's in his zone, but for the intents and purposes of this season he might be better left on the bench.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This is fantastic!!!! I said this about OLD at the start of the season but really copt it had people saying I was negitive, Im not, but that guy is in no way up to A League standard. Glad people have seen it.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
oldy might be a good lad and all but seriously ya cnt extend his contract hes gota go.chuck him bak in the nzfc.hes a big lad he'll improve if hes not constantly chucked in the deep end
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's played pretty well over the past few weeks, but he wasn't as clinical as he has been in previous games last night, which he'll probably be the first to admit.

But he's a young guy who thrives on confidence, and anyone who's ever watched him move through age grade football can tell you that. He's at his best when he's got a little moxey going on.

This season, however, he seems to be short a positive thought or two, and when you don't have experience to fall back on, that really really hampers your performance. I still think he's worth the time and effort, because he has shown glimpses of what he's capable of when he's in his zone, but for the intents and purposes of this season he might be better left on the bench.


hi Michael, can you pse help this old fella out?

"moxey" ??

I tried wikipedia and dictionary dot com, and my teenager's not here so I'm stuck

does it mean 'aggro'' (ancient term for "niggle/scrapping") or is it more like mojo/confidence??
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He's played pretty well over the past few weeks, but he wasn't as clinical as he has been in previous games last night, which he'll probably be the first to admit. But he's a young guy who thrives on confidence, and anyone who's ever watched him move through age grade football can tell you that. He's at his best when he's got a little moxey going on.This season, however, he seems to be short a positive thought or two, and when you don't have experience to fall back on, that really really hampers your performance. I still think he's worth the time and effort, because he has shown glimpses of what he's capable of when he's in his zone, but for the intents and purposes of this season he might be better left on the bench.


I'd agree with that.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Afraid I agree with the comments about Old. The A-League is not the place to give promising young defenders time to develop.
Experiance is everything....look what we are getting out of Rees. He just knows where to be most of the time. Let Old go back local league for a few years and get more experiance. He might be worth another look in a few years.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I must say whenever he has the ball I mumber quietly "oh god, please dont make him c ock this one up".

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Old has been trying hard past few weeks but too many sleepy moments on defence and his distribution is poor. last night his distribution was appalling.
 
Answer is not pulling Lochead back into a back 3 as he did not look comfortable in that position.  Need to strengthen defensive options for next year. 
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tigers wrote:
He's played pretty well over the past few weeks, but he wasn't as clinical as he has been in previous games last night, which he'll probably be the first to admit.

But he's a young guy who thrives on confidence, and anyone who's ever watched him move through age grade football can tell you that. He's at his best when he's got a little moxey going on.

This season, however, he seems to be short a positive thought or two, and when you don't have experience to fall back on, that really really hampers your performance. I still think he's worth the time and effort, because he has shown glimpses of what he's capable of when he's in his zone, but for the intents and purposes of this season he might be better left on the bench.


hi Michael, can you pse help this old fella out?

"moxey" ??

I tried wikipedia and dictionary dot com, and my teenager's not here so I'm stuck

does it mean 'aggro'' (ancient term for "niggle/scrapping") or is it more like mojo/confidence??


Yep, the latter. It's typically used in conjunction with "youthful" (i.e. "youthful moxey"), but "mojo" sums it up pretty nicely too.

Another thing I worry about is the "sink or swim" attitude that's lumped on players Old's age at any high level of sport. Forgive me for mentioning the egg-chasing game, but Old's situation is freakishly similar to that of Isaia Toeava, the young buck identified by Graham Henry and his cartel as being a superstar in waiting at the tender age of 19, and thrust into the AB's #13 jersey during the 2006 Tri-Nations.

Now, this kid had torn up every age-grade team he'd been selected in; he was likened to a pacific island version of Christian Cullen, and the good oil pointed towards him being something unlike anything NZ rugby had seen in a very, very long time.

So what happened? He was overwhelmed, forgot all the basic fundamentals of playing rugby and fell apart at the seams. His confidence was shot completely, and he was understandably dropped from the 2006 end of year tour. However, in this year's Super 14, he was slick, he was classy and he was beginning to churn potential into results. He's still not talking the talk completely at AB level (did someone say rotation?), but his growth in the last twelve months has been tremendous.

What the 'Nix have with Old is a guy who's still stuck trying to convert potential into performance. Even though he's young, he's aware of the time and effort that's been put into him from an early age, and simply as a human being with goals and aspirations he knows what he wants and what he wants to achieve, and most importantly, what he has to do to do all that. It's that old cliche about the top two inches making all the difference, and therein lies the secret to Steven Old. His mistakes last night were mental mistakes, that's all. But as we all know, when the pressure's on and you're stuck in a bit of a rut, it's incredibly easy to make those mistakes over and over -- especially when you're trying your damndest not to repeat them.

So, here's the problem: Riki Herbert's investment, one S. Old, isn't returning the dividends it should. There isn't some economic slight of hand at play here; anyone with a pair of eyes can tell you what Old's doing wrong and what needs to happen to fix it. If the answer lies upstairs, then it's obvious what the guy needs is a mentor. PROBLEM! The Phoenix's defence is, well, sh*te, and would you feel at all comfortable with one of Elrich, Dodd or Rees as a mentor? Exactly.

The solution? For the love of all god, Riki, buy a top-class defender. Someone who's at the peak of their game, and has been around the track a few times. Pair this guy with Old -- not so much as a babysitter -- but as a guide, someone to look up to, someone to feed off and someone to emulate. Have them train together, play together -- hell, even have them share a hotel room together on away games. The young buck will pick up on a few things, and his game and the Phoenix defence as a whole will be much better for it. The investment could very well turn into a "two for the price of one" deal, and that's worth it's weight in (g)old.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
like all players steven old has his days

but i dont like steven o'dor


WHAT A SHOKER
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He Cant Even Kick A Small Little Soccer Ball Into The Crowd Thats How Bad He Is
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masey wrote:
He Cant Even Kick A Small Little Soccer Ball Into The Crowd Thats How Bad He Is
 
 
Why Do People Type Like This

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Old is actually not a bad defender.  He wins ball for us back there.  Problem with defenders in the a-league is they have to be able to play as well and he cant unfortunately.  I cant believe O'Dor isnt starting in the back 3.   
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
chuckywolf wrote:
  I cant believe O'Dor isnt starting in the back 3.   
 
I can.....!!!!!!!!!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Michael Oliver You have sumed up Old fullstop.
He will be a great player. I'm sure Herbert only wanted him as a squad player and with the poor defending that the Phoenix have been doing Old has been thrown in 12 months early.
I still rate him as a player, yes I got pissed off with him playing the long ball but by the same token Dodd has the same thinking, kick the sh*t out of the ball.
Old is a kid and he is still in the early stages of pro football stop knocking him he will come good.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 OLD and O'Dor..... Cut 'em both Ricky
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
chuckywolf wrote:
I cant believe O'Dor isnt starting in the back 3.   


He's injured.

On top of that he's 20 years old, how many successful centre backs are at their potential at 20 years old ?  He's a million times the player Jack Pelter is and look where he has ended up.  He's ranked by the Australians well enough to play in the Aus U-20 side, the side that contains all the kids people on here repeatedly fap about. 

In two or three years time he may well be one of the best defenders in this league, if not for us then another A-League side.  I know which I'd prefer.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tigers wrote:
He's played pretty well over the past few weeks, but he wasn't as clinical as he has been in previous games last night, which he'll probably be the first to admit.

But he's a young guy who thrives on confidence, and anyone who's ever watched him move through age grade football can tell you that. He's at his best when he's got a little moxey going on.

This season, however, he seems to be short a positive thought or two, and when you don't have experience to fall back on, that really really hampers your performance. I still think he's worth the time and effort, because he has shown glimpses of what he's capable of when he's in his zone, but for the intents and purposes of this season he might be better left on the bench.


hi Michael, can you pse help this old fella out?

"moxey" ??

I tried wikipedia and dictionary dot com, and my teenager's not here so I'm stuck

does it mean 'aggro'' (ancient term for "niggle/scrapping") or is it more like mojo/confidence??


Yep, the latter. It's typically used in conjunction with "youthful" (i.e. "youthful moxey"), but "mojo" sums it up pretty nicely too.

Another thing I worry about is the "sink or swim" attitude that's lumped on players Old's age at any high level of sport. Forgive me for mentioning the egg-chasing game, but Old's situation is freakishly similar to that of Isaia Toeava, the young buck identified by Graham Henry and his cartel as being a superstar in waiting at the tender age of 19, and thrust into the AB's #13 jersey during the 2006 Tri-Nations.

Now, this kid had torn up every age-grade team he'd been selected in; he was likened to a pacific island version of Christian Cullen, and the good oil pointed towards him being something unlike anything NZ rugby had seen in a very, very long time.

So what happened? He was overwhelmed, forgot all the basic fundamentals of playing rugby and fell apart at the seams. His confidence was shot completely, and he was understandably dropped from the 2006 end of year tour. However, in this year's Super 14, he was slick, he was classy and he was beginning to churn potential into results. He's still not talking the talk completely at AB level (did someone say rotation?), but his growth in the last twelve months has been tremendous.

What the 'Nix have with Old is a guy who's still stuck trying to convert potential into performance. Even though he's young, he's aware of the time and effort that's been put into him from an early age, and simply as a human being with goals and aspirations he knows what he wants and what he wants to achieve, and most importantly, what he has to do to do all that. It's that old cliche about the top two inches making all the difference, and therein lies the secret to Steven Old. His mistakes last night were mental mistakes, that's all. But as we all know, when the pressure's on and you're stuck in a bit of a rut, it's incredibly easy to make those mistakes over and over -- especially when you're trying your damndest not to repeat them.

So, here's the problem: Riki Herbert's investment, one S. Old, isn't returning the dividends it should. There isn't some economic slight of hand at play here; anyone with a pair of eyes can tell you what Old's doing wrong and what needs to happen to fix it. If the answer lies upstairs, then it's obvious what the guy needs is a mentor. PROBLEM! The Phoenix's defence is, well, sh*te, and would you feel at all comfortable with one of Elrich, Dodd or Rees as a mentor? Exactly.

The solution? For the love of all god, Riki, buy a top-class defender. Someone who's at the peak of their game, and has been around the track a few times. Pair this guy with Old -- not so much as a babysitter -- but as a guide, someone to look up to, someone to feed off and someone to emulate. Have them train together, play together -- hell, even have them share a hotel room together on away games. The young buck will pick up on a few things, and his game and the Phoenix defence as a whole will be much better for it. The investment could very well turn into a "two for the price of one" deal, and that's worth it's weight in (g)old.
 
The only problem with this is attracting a "top class defender", we are the Phoenix, we'll finish 6th at best, there's a salary cap and if we're not careful we'll be seen as a club with high player churn, all of this will make it very difficult for Rikki to attract any decent "known" players.  If the raw talent is there, maybe it's about investing in the coaching staff?  I'm pretty sure there are journeymen in the UK that would jump at the chance of taking a coaching position in NZ as a first step in management (look at Mitch at Perth). 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why do you think it will be hard to sign 'known' players? Most players really respect Ricki as a coach and that is the reason a lot of the players we do have are here.


a.haak

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
steven old lacks determination and never puts his body on the line.
man if i eva played 4 the nix i would put everything into it, another thing steven gives up to easy and its no coincidence that he keeps giving up these stupid brain explosions
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