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Strips and why we weren't in Stripey on Saturday

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Strips and why we weren't in Stripey on Saturday

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Why weren't we playing in Stripey on Saturday night when it was not clashing with the Sydney strip?

What are the rules behind who plays in what?

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
possibly something to do with a shorts clash

Fuck this stupid game

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What are the rules behind who chooses strips and how? And who decides what clashes and doesn't?

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I think we had to change cause we clashed with the officials who were in fluro yellow. The officals (when at the RoF) wear blue uniforms.

I was on the understanding the away teams changed if there was a clash. I could be wrong. someone will correct me I'm sure.Oceanic62010-03-15 20:49:53
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Haven't the official's worn pink at RoF before? I'd also like to ask how come CCM can wear their gold against our yellow
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I would have thought our away strip clashed with the officials' white canes. Junior822010-03-15 21:12:50

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Surely black and yellow contrasts more with pale blue than white?  The shorts is a good point though.

I don't think the colour the ref's where should have anything to do with what the players are wearing, remember when both us and the refs were in black in yellow at the RoF?
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Surely black and yellow contrasts more with pale blue than white?  The shorts is a good point though.

I don't think the colour the ref's where should have anything to do with what the players are wearing, remember when both us and the refs were in black in yellow at the RoF?
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We heard you the 1st time, mate. 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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Junior82 wrote:
I would have thought our away strip clashed with the officials' white canes.
 
 Ba-boom!
 
Magic



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Surely the playing sides have preference over their colours over the referees. Mustve been the shorts thing.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
Surely the playing sides have preference over their colours over the referees. Mustve been the shorts thing.


You don't have to wear the entire change kit just because of the shorts.

In those kind of situations, you just change the shorts or socks if required. Besides, the previous two games we played there this season we played in the full home kit, so clearly there was no issue there.

I wonder if we thought by changing the kit we may change our fortunes at the SFS this season...
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Where was the head bandage (not counting the ones worn by the YF)?

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The white is our away kit. I thought its that simple?
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LOL, anyone remember how often this was explained in the strips thread during the pre-season?
 
It's more a 2nd kit arnies, only supposed to be worn if there is a clash away from home (that's why the CCM away kit is rediculous). Although I'm pretty sure GCU decided to wear their white kit for every away game.
 
In previous seasons, they were home and away kits except for in the finals series, where the clubs could choose.
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Yeah, its not an "away" strip, its an 'alternative' strip. And some teams (around the world) even have 'third' strips.

el grapadura wrote:
You don't have to wear the entire change kit just because of the shorts.

In those kind of situations, you just change the shorts or socks if required.

I think they do need to change the entire strip though, even in the EPL, they never change just one aspect of the kit, they change the entire kit. I think this is also why there's a third strip (for some clubs), so if the alternative still clashes you can wear a third kit. I don't know if this is an actual rule or a choice the club makes... I suspect its a rule though as the idea seems to be utilised everywhere throughout professional football.
AJ132010-03-16 21:48:35
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Man United have played in black sock instead of their normal white then there has been a clash
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Does anyone (el G) know if there are frequent/ish cases of clubs wearing alternate/3rd kits at home in competitive matches? I thought at the start of the season that we'd do this against CCM at home.

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2ndBest wrote:
Man United have played in black sock instead of their normal white then there has been a clash

Their normal sock is black though (with red accent, alternative is also black but with blue accent)

Although i now see your point, against Milan they just changed their socks from black to white. But ultimately they needed to come to some sort of compromise as both clubs use the exact same colours in all 3 of their strips, so this may have been a one off.
AJ132010-03-16 22:04:31
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2ndBest wrote:
Man United have played in black sock instead of their normal white then there has been a clash
 
Man Untd will often wear black shorts with their home kit when the opposition is wearing white shorts and I'm pretty sure we wore our white away kit in both away games against Sydney this season.
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AJ13 wrote:




2ndBest wrote:
Man United have played in black sock instead of their normal white then there has been a clash
Their normal sock is black though (with red accent, alternative is also black but with blue accent)Although i now see your point, against Milan they just changed their socks from black to white. But ultimately they needed to come to some sort of compromise as both clubs use the exact same colours in all 3 of their strips, so this may have been a one off.


Not really a one-off - to use the Man Utd example, over the past years they have played in the red/white/black, red/white/white and red/black/black schemes in the Premiership.

Although I guess some clubs may decide to change the entire kit if the 2nd kit's colours are too different from the first kit, and they don't want to resemble a bunch of clowns on the pitch.
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Oska wrote:

Does anyone (el G) know if there are frequent/ish cases of clubs wearing alternate/3rd kits at home in competitive matches? I thought at the start of the season that we'd do this against CCM at home.



I can't think of a such a situation in club football, maybe because in most bigger leagues teams have 3 different kits so maybe it doesn't come up as an issue often. But probably happens occasionally in lower leagues.

Internationally, Croatia often have to play in the 2nd kit at home since a lot of European nations have the white and red as their 1 and 2 kits, and we can't play aginst either of those colours in the checks.
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2ndBest wrote:
Man United have played in black sock instead of their normal white then there has been a clash

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Man Untd will often wear black shorts with their home kit when the opposition is wearing white shorts and I'm pretty sure we wore our white away kit in both away games against Sydney this season.


Just checked this, stripey in the first game (0-2), and white in the second (1-3).
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A-League is obsessed with teams playing in an away kit, despite there not being a clash. They relent in Grand Finals though, Adelaide wore red both times we played em.
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kiwi pie wrote:
A-League is obsessed with teams playing in an away kit, despite there not being a clash. They relent in Grand Finals though, Adelaide wore red both times we played em.


So will Sydney be in their light blue shirts in this final? IMO its well different enough from the dark blue of Melbourne, but you never know.
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Wasn't it a marketing ploy? We'd run out of Stripeys at the club shop, so we might be able to shift a few 'aways' if we give it a higher profile in this high stakes game.

Nix are the new Man utd in that respect.

Edit: this is of course, complete conjecture.HarryHotspur2010-03-17 17:55:24
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We wore white due to a clash with the referees. Why??
 
Because the ref's have 3 strips 1. Black = clash, 2. Flouro yellow = clash 3. Blue = clash with Sydney. Absolute joke.
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The refs should get those pink shirts that the NRL have used, that way they won't clash with anyone.
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The referees in a professional league only having three shirt colours is ludicrous IMO, pink, green and orange should be added to their wardrobes.
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First away game against Sydney this season, not ideal, and this clash also occured at our home games early on.
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They also need big writing on their shirts to clearly identify them.  Something like:
 
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arnies wrote:
The white is our away kit. I thought its that simple?
Our change strip. I do think it should be a rule that the changed not away strip for all the teams should be white, not any other colour, e.g. Blue for Newcastle is a bit of a shocker.
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AJ13 wrote:
Yeah, its not an "away" strip, its an 'alternative' strip. And some teams (around the world) even have 'third' strips.

el grapadura wrote:
You don't have to wear the entire change kit just because of the shorts.

In those kind of situations, you just change the shorts or socks if required.

I think they do need to change the entire strip though, even in the EPL, they never change just one aspect of the kit, they change the entire kit. I think this is also why there's a third strip (for some clubs), so if the alternative still clashes you can wear a third kit. I don't know if this is an actual rule or a choice the club makes... I suspect its a rule though as the idea seems to be utilised everywhere throughout professional football.
 
In England, you have to have three kits when you get to the Championship - and presumably the Prem too. League One and Two don't insist on it. A few seasons ago, Brighton had to have a temporary fourth when playing away to Palace. They (Palace) have blue/red stripes as their first kit. We (Brighton) had a light blue/white, so had to change. Our second was red, so had to be changed. Our third was, somewhat poorly, dark blue, so still didn't work. Palace, being our biggest rivals, wouldn't change to an alternate kit so, as the away team, we had to have a 4th made just for the match, an all white. It worked well - we won at Palace for the first time in years, so the club agreed to place a one-off order of replica kit of the temporary kit for any fans who wanted to buy it.
 
Internationals often switch just the shorts. England, for example, will often use the alternate kit's white shorts to avoid clashes with an opponent's dark shorts.
SiNZ2010-03-18 09:37:23
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gambitecake wrote:
arnies wrote:
The white is our away kit. I thought its that simple?
Our change strip. I do think it should be a rule that the changed not away strip for all the teams should be white, not any other colour, e.g. Blue for Newcastle is a bit of a shocker.
 
You want it to be a rule that all change strips are white?
 
I disagree. Let clubs choose for themselves - but exercise common sense so that CCM can't have yellow prominent in both kits.
 
Change kits are great things. Clubs can really vary things up, whereas the first kit tends to stay within the same set of constraints for the club i.e. it is rare to change your primary colours. Some change kits end up being abominations, whereas others are brilliant. The black strip that Brighton had was a cult classic... though the bright yellow and pinkish-red ones that followed were awful. You can't get that combination of genius and horror with the first kit!
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Tony P wrote:
We wore white due to a clash with the referees. Why??
 
Because the ref's have 3 strips 1. Black = clash, 2. Flouro yellow = clash 3. Blue = clash with Sydney. Absolute joke.
 
Thank u for this clarification Tony ... the rough end of the pineapple for the Nix without doubt.  (And not the first time)
 
Surely the league should be the ones looking at all team strips and ensuring that they have ref colours on hand to overcome potential problems.   Three alternatives is clearly not enough.
 
 
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SiNZ wrote:
gambitecake wrote:
arnies wrote:
The white is our away kit. I thought its that simple?
Our change strip. I do think it should be a rule that the changed not away strip for all the teams should be white, not any other colour, e.g. Blue for Newcastle is a bit of a shocker.

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You want it to be a rule that all change strips are white?

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I disagree. Let clubs choose for themselves - but exercise common sense so that CCM can't have yellow prominent in both kits.

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Change�kits are great things. Clubs can really vary things up, whereas the first kit tends to stay within the same set of constraints for the club i.e. it is rare to change your primary colours. Some�change kits end up being abominations, whereas others are brilliant. The black strip that Brighton had was a cult classic... though the bright yellow and pinkish-red ones that followed were awful. You can't get that combination of genius and horror with the first kit!


This - the CCM 'alternate' strip is an absolute joke.
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