Is it just me going crazy, or am I safe to say we dont know who
Ricki's assistant is yet?
If my assumptions are correct (and im not loosing my memory), then Tim Brown just let slip that Stu Jacobs will be Ricki's assistant on Radio Sport. Said he will step away from the AW's
If my assumptions are correct (and im not loosing my memory), then Tim Brown just let slip that Stu Jacobs will be Ricki's assistant on Radio Sport. Said he will step away from the AW's
Is it just me going crazy, or am I safe to say we dont know who
Ricki's assistant is yet?
If my assumptions are correct (and im not loosing my memory), then Tim Brown just let slip that Stu Jacobs will be Ricki's assistant on Radio Sport. Said he will step away from the AW's
just heard this too
If my assumptions are correct (and im not loosing my memory), then Tim Brown just let slip that Stu Jacobs will be Ricki's assistant on Radio Sport. Said he will step away from the AW's
I bet ricki wont be happy that Tim let it slip
does it really matter its gonna come out sooner or later
Sure, think it`s a good move that he is involved with both teams.
i'm glad stu is involved, both at team wellington and at the
phoenix. he will be able to recognise any talented nz players
coming through from team wgtn and could give them a go in the
phoenix in future seasons. Can only be good for footy in
wellington.
he is a top coach as well, hopefully team wellington will
finally live up to their potential
With Stu playign a dual role, and with TW home games looking like
they'll be scheduled for alternate weekdns to Phoenix home games,
does anyone think that YF could go along TW games for shenanigans
in the "away weeks".
I reckon Stu could do a job at the back for the Phoenix too. Jokes
aside - he probably could for TW.
Founder
"With Stu playign a dual role, and with TW home games looking like
they'll be scheduled for alternate weekdns to Phoenix home games,
does anyone think that YF could go along TW games for shenanigans
in the "away weeks".
That would be awesome, having a decent crowd come out to team
welly would be great. They have been probably the best
supported nzfc franchise over the last few season. After last year
crowd numbers seemed to go down after underachieving
again.
What's happening to Mick Waitt?
Hopfully nothing.
Mick got the boot last month after leading a potential finalist to
nothing, 4 times. Stu will be great in the dual role. He'll
get to see all the NZFC teams weekly and can also offer his
knowledge and experience to the teams. I think his playing days are
over, sorry Feverish.
Will be interesting to see who gets the physio role at both
teams. Those who know Stu will know what I mean 
Its no longer a problem.
he was a class player - a rare defender who had pace and
could play from the back. even played most of his all whites
games anchoring midfield under clark.
top man too - great to see him on board.
i wonder if tim is in trouble for breaking the press release
embargo (set for 6am this morning). maybe he just wanted to
be the first phoenix player to be fined?
What's happening to Mick Waitt?
Hopfully nothing.
Waitt disastered every team he coached. I'm glad to see the
back of him.
Got to disagree.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Got to disagree.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
I agree with Hard News. Coaching is not all about the
glamour jobs, in fact the glamour jobs are about 5% of what good
coaching is about.
Stu Jacobs, Ricki Herbert and the rest will be getting the
benefit of Mick Waitt's real work in the region for years
to come.
I think Mick is better suited to bringing the young kids
through. The last few seasons with Team Wellington it has
been a case of major underachievement but he always backed up his
poor showings with bringing some young guys through. First it
was Dan Keat, then Sam Peters and now Costa.
I'm sure Mick is a great coach at youth level and get's a lot
out of kids who will sit back and not challenge his tactics or
coaching methods.
The point is that success in the so called "glamour jobs" is
such a lottery. Even the best coach can get screwed over by working
for a useless board, injuries, having a squad full of muppets etc.
The true test of a coach's ability is in developing
players and how far they end up going in the game over a period of
time. That's the stuff a coach can actually influence, far
more so than team results.
It's interesting how in NZ we don't really distinguish between
a coach and a manager (as they do in the UK for instance) because
it's an important difference and some are better at one aspect than
the other.
First it was Dan Keat, then Sam Peters and now Costa.
Add Craig Henderson, George, Eager, Sam Blackburn, Darren Ah Kuoi, even Roddy Brown to some extent to that list as well.
There were some games like that Napier game last season where George Barbaouses was as good as anyone in the NZFC, if he could play like that every week the pair of them would be huge...
Got to disagree.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
So Mick Waitt is the Glenn Roder of nz footy, great with the
youth but couldn't manage seniors to save his life
What's happening to Mick Waitt?
Hopfully nothing.
Hopefully, less than nothing...what a waster...but then again,
i'm probably still smarting from one of his many jammy goals
against us to win, many moons ago...
Macca B2007-05-11 14:03:03
The last few seasons with Team Wellington it has been a case of
major underachievement but he always backed up his poor showings
with bringing some young guys through.
It's arguable that those players would have "come through"
anyway, without Mr Waitt. When all's said and done his managing
team record over that past few years has been miserable. TW have
had more class than their position has belied.
A manager/ coach is there to win games, not to train up
youngsters. If that's what he's good at thats' what he should be
employed to do, and leave someone else to look after the senior
squad.
phil_style2007-05-11 16:07:54
I agree phil_style. He should be there to win the league to
to develop youth players.
That's what he does at the end of each season, tries to cover
up his failures with the great youth guys that he brought through
and making it sound like the best is yet to come. The fact is
the guy has failed to deliver anything with probably the best base
of players to choose from. They have the whole Wellington
region to choose from, plus if wellington were doing well the
chances of guys like ian robinson and sandbrook coming down would
be higher.
Yeah youre right -�I
will keep it to my perspective only.
Good luck to Stu on his appointment.chareimos2007-05-19 23:43:55
Good luck to Stu on his appointment.chareimos2007-05-19 23:43:55
ok you are welcome to pass comment based on your individual
experiences. I hope you checked with your son before you posted
that - as a lot of people will see you comments and probably start
guessing who your son is.
Personally, I take my hat off to Mick at he moves on from
the TW role. He is a fervent supporter of football, especially
Wellington football, and is a hell of a nice guy.
I have heard far worse things about coaches in higher
positions than Mick - so keep it in perspective - there is no
pleasing everyone.
Oh, and further to that, on the subject of Costa, do you
really think he would be signing for the Phoenix if it hadn't been
for Mick? If he had been part of any other NZFC team, he wouldn't
have got a look in due to a strike force of imported Solomon
Islanders, or Sth Africans, or whatever. It is because Mick was not
afraid to play young local talent that Costa got in the spotlight,
and ultimately where he is now..
HEY YOU'VE EDITED YOUR POST NOW - WHICH MAKES MY BANTER
REDUNDANT!
Oh well - at least it made an impact. Off to the pub.
Feverish2007-05-11 17:09:18
Founder
Waitt a minute
I feel like I just entered the twilight zone reading this
string (at least what I am fully guessing the twilight zone
might feel like because I have no personal experience as yet)
What did Mick Waitt, somebody's son, somebody's dad have to do
with Stu Jacobs???
Waitt a minute
I feel like I just entered the twilight zone reading this
string (at least what I am fully guessing the twilight zone
might feel like because I have no personal experience as yet)
What did Mick Waitt, somebody's son, somebody's dad have to do
with Stu Jacobs???
That's an easy one to answer - as is usual in this country
some good news for Stu Jacobs was quickly high-jacked as an
opportunity to sl*g off someone else. After all, why be positive
when you can focus on the negative instead?
Don't worry Ricki and Stu, the vultures will be there to pick
over your bones as soon as you lose a few games as well!
I'll dive in first...
Ricki, Miyazawa in your best ever Kingz XI... WTF ?
Ricki, Miyazawa in your best ever Kingz XI... WTF ?
it's never easy being on the wrong side of a coach's preferences. unfortunately sometimes coaches develop an opinion of a player that may well be incorrect and they then look for for examples to reinforce that opinion. and so it goes.
remember it's only one coach's opinion and a lot of good
players emerge despite these set backs. simon elliott is one;
overlooked for the nz u19s and was told he'd never make a decent
senior player. 10 years later...
for what it's worth i've seen your boy play and from my
amateur eye, he has the goods!
Yeah lets keep it positive (apologies to any people I offended with
my earlier posting which was edited - obviously too much time on
hands).....so I am wishing Stu all the best at the Nix and TW.
"Funny how many people put 1 and 1 together and say aha - its that bugger etc etc LOL".
chareimos2007-05-19 23:42:59
"Funny how many people put 1 and 1 together and say aha - its that bugger etc etc LOL".
chareimos2007-05-19 23:42:59
The fact is the guy has failed to deliver anything with
probably the best base of players to choose from. .
You cant really belive that or have you never been out of
Wellington. The Auckland clubs have way more talent at their
disposal and yet they have used imports were Mick choose to give
our youngsters a chance.
A dog with a bone :)
Got to disagree.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
I've heard Mick is good with youth teams - in that regard he is a
bit like Kevin Fallon. After watching TW though - he's clearly a
better coach than a manager. So get him involved in coaching the
youth and keep him away from tricky things like tactical
substitutions.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Fallon... now there is another whole can of worms...
Got to disagree.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Thats fine but talk to any of the TW players and their biggest
frustration with Mick Waitt is his obsession with youth.
Talented players were left out in the cold while he tried to find
his next young prodigy. Half of the Manawatu team played club
football in Wellington but weren't required. Tim Butterfield
wasn't selected despite being the stand out player in Wellington
football for years. And Andy Barron and James Bannantyne left
because of these exact frustrations at team selection.
Plus, how does it benefit TW to prepare young kids to go off
to American Colleges? It's great for them but if you look at
it from a club point of view it doesn't help. From a fans
perspective and as a stakeholder in the club (being a Wellington
football player, remember we all are) I firmly believe the club has
to have the aim of winning the league, otherwise why are you
there. Sure I want to see us do it with homegrown players
but the place for development is the academy. I think
Mick has a real role to play there...
james dean2007-05-13 12:23:16
Normo's coming home
Got to disagree.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Capital won 3 of 4 National Youth leagues prior to this season (and finished 2nd in the other). His approach may not have won Team Wellington a title but the list of youngsters he's helped to NZFC level and now beyond is significantly better than any other NZFC club.
In the future the Phoenix and NZ Soccer will probably benefit more from what Mick Waitt has done with youth players in Wellington than they will from either of the Auckland sides who have won titles.
I hope he stays with Capital Soccer to bring through the next generation of players for the National U-17s and U-20s.
Thats fine but talk to any of the TW players and their biggest
frustration with Mick Waitt is his obsession with youth.
Talented players were left out in the cold while he tried to find
his next young prodigy. Half of the Manawatu team played club
football in Wellington but weren't required. Tim Butterfield
wasn't selected despite being the stand out player in Wellington
football for years. And Andy Barron and James Bannantyne left
because of these exact frustrations at team selection.
Plus, how does it benefit TW to prepare young kids to go off
to American Colleges? It's great for them but if you look at
it from a club point of view it doesn't help. From a fans
perspective and as a stakeholder in the club (being a Wellington
football player, remember we all are) I firmly believe the club has
to have the aim of winning the league, otherwise why are you
there. Sure I want to see us do it with homegrown players
but the place for development is the academy. I think
Mick has a real role to play there...
Well said - I don't pay for a season ticket to watch a youth development scheme. I want TW to win the league and I don't know anyone who attends TW games regularly who is happy at the way the team has been managed.
Put Mick in charge of developing youth by all means - then let's get on with knocking those Auckland clubs off (not to mention the tussock jumpers up the road).
Interesting turn to the thread. Stu Jacobs ... Mick Waite
And interesting theory re Team Wellington's failure - Mick's
focus on youth development vs winning games & winning the
league. Was that all there was to it?
TW has always looked pretty good on paper ... in the
pre-season hype ...
I live in the north Waikato - close enough to travel to NZFC
games played at Waitakere, Auckland & Waikato - which I've done
pretty regularly for two years now. I always liked watching
Team Wellington play ... against anybody! They always
played entertaining football. And they always leaked
goals! I was never sure why they never threatened in the
competition at the business end of the season.
A bit of a flip-side to why Auck City always was threatening
when, on paper, maybe they shouldn't have ...?
football tragic for too long
Kevin Fallon could be a hollywood star in the next movie starring
as the one and only freddy kruger. Not the scariest looking dude
alive!