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Substituion rules

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Substituion rules
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah that is a bit weird,seems to be no reason for it? Other than making sure that teams dont name and use an outfield players as their "sub keeper". Ok in the space of a post,ive changed my mind,its a good rule. The situation you described is a little ridiculous.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Personally, I wouldn't make teams carry a substitute keeper. If they want to take that risk, that is their business. Allow coaches the flexibility to deal with situations (like the one Otagofan put forward) how they see fit.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I guess team would never carry a substitute keeper unless they had to.
 
Then, in the event that one was required and wasn't there, it makes the league look a bit daft if you end up putting Greenacre in goal.
 
Agree with the rule.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
But no other league forces keepers on the bench yet everyone takes them.

Three for me, and two for them.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
But no other league forces keepers on the bench yet everyone takes them.
 
Are you sure about that?
 
Link to relevant EPL rule please?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
But no other league forces keepers on the bench yet everyone takes them.
 
Are you sure about that?
 
Link to relevant EPL rule please?


I'll try find one but several years ago Sheff Utd never put a keeper on the bench when they were in the Prem. They were the only ones to do so mind you. I'm sure nothing has changed since then.

Three for me, and two for them.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
otagofan wrote:
... The nominated substitute goalkeeper may only take the field in place of the starting goalkeeper and play as a goalkeeper.


This rule has got to be technically wrong. In the case where a goalkeeper is sent from the field, the substitute goalkeeper actually will take the field in the place of an outfield player.

I agree with the rule's sentiment, although it could, and should, be worded a whole lot better.

I know, I know, its serious!

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Turfmoore wrote:
otagofan wrote:
... The nominated substitute goalkeeper may only take the field in place of the starting goalkeeper and play as a goalkeeper.


This rule has got to be technically wrong. In the case where a goalkeeper is sent from the field, the substitute goalkeeper actually will take the field in the place of an outfield player.



In that scenario, the reserve goalkeeper is simply substituted for an outfield player, but he doesn't take the place of the outfield player, he takes the place of the sent off goalkeeper.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I recall reading a few years ago that one of the Perennial strugglers Liverpool defenders had to don the gloves and play in goal when a keeper was injured and another red carded or something along those lines.  Still that isn't covered by this rule, it doesn't say "an outfield can't play in goal".
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Nickel wrote:
I recall reading a few years ago that one of the Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool defenders had to don the gloves and play in goal when a keeper was injured and another red carded or something along those lines.� Still that isn't covered by this rule, it doesn't say "an outfield can't play in goal".


That's actually not that unusual, I've seen it happen a few times (mostly the red card/injury combo).

In fact, I remember an outfield player saving a penalty in a HNL game in the mid-1990s after the reserve keeper had been sent off for a challenge which led to the penalty.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Overseas they have bigger benches. With such a tiny bench,it is necessary to force clubs to have one of them as your keeper.

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el grapadura wrote:
Nickel wrote:
I recall reading a few years ago that one of the Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool defenders had to don the gloves and play in goal when a keeper was injured and another red carded or something along those lines.  Still that isn't covered by this rule, it doesn't say "an outfield can't play in goal".


That's actually not that unusual, I've seen it happen a few times (mostly the red card/injury combo).

In fact, I remember an outfield player saving a penalty in a HNL game in the mid-1990s after the reserve keeper had been sent off for a challenge which led to the penalty.


HNL?

Didn't Jan Koller have to go keeper once?  Remember a picture of him tripping over an opposition player as he blundered after the ball.

This may be the one I'm thinking of:
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Koller started his football training as a goalkeeper, but was converted to striker by the time he started his professional career with Czech giants Sparta Prague."


"During Koller's spell at Dortmund, his training as a keeper saw some use in the 2002�03 season. In one Bundesliga match at Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund's keeper Jens Lehmann was sent off about midway through the second half, and Koller moved from striker to keeper after he had already scored once in the first half. He kept a clean sheet for the rest of the match against good opportunities by Michael Ballack and others, and was named the Bundesliga's top keeper of the week for his performance."loyalgunner2010-03-12 01:30:15
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
David Jame played up front for City a few years ago.  Pretty sure a striker got dragged for the RGK, meaning james went up front.
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loyalgunner wrote:


HNL?


Hrvatska Nogometna Liga = Croatian Football League
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
I guess team would never carry a substitute keeper unless they had to.
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Then, in the event that one was required and wasn't there, it makes the league look a bit daft if you end up putting Greenacre in goal.

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Agree with the rule.


I don't think it would make the league look daft - it would make the coach/manager look daft. If that is a risk that the gaffer wanted to take thats his business (IMO).
Not a major thing for me, but something I would be OK with changing.
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