Support of the banned fans

Should we support the banned fans in Australia, as fans of other A-League clubs have done?

It would seem an appropriate response since they supported the #SaveTheNix campaign.

How about a banner?

best Plan is Can the Ban Stan. 

Given that the FFA already thinks nobody goes to Phoenix games, would they even notice if the Fever Zone walked out?

We could do something simple like a banner and/or a sit down.

I like the idea of a banner.

Not keen on a walkout at all.

I say do absolutely nothing.... we should be supporting the banning of football hooligans not the opposite. 

None of us are advocating for people who've set flares off to be allowed to continue to attend A-League games.

Better to have no opinion on something than an uninformed one, NP.

What do you think I've missed?

Walkout would be rather awkward for us too I think.  We're still in this position with the sword of Damacles hanging over us and all our metrics are under scrutiny.

But would be good to send a message to the twunts in Sydney about what fair process is (and that they should all fudge off to Uncle Sepp's jail cell and fudge each other over which is all they're good for).

It's about the incorrect banning of innocent fans with no process of appeal.

They aren't hooligans.

FFS, I"ve missed nothing.... while FFA say there is no appeal available through them, we live in a democratic society where those that feel agrieved at being banned can go to the Courts and have the bans overthrown, 

Bozza goes HAM. pic.twitter.com/zcaSCi8eht

— David Manuca (@davidmanuca) November 29, 2015

That was supposed to embed the video of Bozza explaining it very well. 

Also this from yesterday

In case you missed it - here's Bozza's appeal to the FFA after the North Terrace walked out after 30min of #MVCvADL https://t.co/55aWgsbalc

— FOX SPORTS Football (@FOXFOOTBALL) November 28, 2015

You're wrong.

It's also about banning fans for the allegations of doing minor misdemeanors (like lighting flares) on private property and not even at a football event. It's about not supporting fans or even considering us stakeholders in the game. It's about the FFA not fighting media organisations who do things such as leaking a list of people, some of whom are minors, some of whom have done absolutely nothing wrong, and comparing them to terrorists.  It's about letting the FFA know that they depend on us and not the other way around.

The internet lives forever and these allegations are going to haunt people for life. Apparently one person on the list has already lost their job because of it. Thus is going to come up on any search by a future employer.

The FFA need to get some perspective, all they do is run a sport ffs. They enable a group of men to run around kicking a ball. Many of us do more important things in or jobs than they do, yet they are the ones who feel above us. To them we are just numbers, commodities, metrics.

FFA: Doing fudge all for the game since forever.

$2 Tablecloth from the 123$ Shop & a marker pen or paint. 

Fits in the pocket & would look awesome if we could have 50 of them  flying in Auckland at the 30 minute mark.

Isn't it you looking at this through rose coloured glasses? "Everything is fine"

vs Patricks cynical view of the FFA and its (lack of) appeals process?

Three fans have been banned this weekend for holding up a banner, and another for friendly banter with fans. And you think they are hooligans who we shouldn't be sticking up for?

I see FFA has announced an appeal process, so you can put away your lances and leave those windmills alone now.

Oh good.  FFA have made an announcement of an intention to do something.  Fills me with a lot of confidence.

Maybe Quixotic but better than being passive.

I never really paid much heed to football governance and politics but I think this just gets more rotten each day.  Doing a good job of putting me off the game.

(wrong thread)

think that's how they get away with it FIFA and the rest- the game is really awesome. Once it starts...

my questions are:
1) Would the Aucklandcrowd know what weare talking about.

2) Would Dewhurst pick up on the banner if it was on TV?

Both answers I think are no. Which makes me question why do it.

You are forgetting:

1. We should do it to piss off FFA, because there aren't enough reasons (in their mind) already for them to get rid of us.

2. It will help some of us to demonstrate 'public outrage' that FFA have the gall to try and take steps to rid the sport of people who make it unpleasant for others to attend and bring their friends and family.

All jump on the banned wagon - no thanks

I agree with this so much. The fans around the league really came out in support of #SaveThe Nix, and we were very greatful for the support.

Also, standing up for the right of wrongly accused fans to appeal their ban is NOT jumping on the band wagon. If you've been paying any attention at all to this issue ALL of the fan groups across the league are united on this one.

The issue is NOT about jumping to the defence of ALL 198 banned fans. The issue is about the protection of fundamental rights in a democracy - of due process and innocent until proven guilty, and to see the evidence being used to 'convict' you.

I agree that many people would not know what we are talking about, and I think the big banner, on it's own would possibly be overlooked. I do think the big banner message of some type should be done. But I also think we should do one of the long roll out hold up banners like so many other fan groups have done.

I think we need to show we are united with the rest fo the fans in the ALeague. The Nix belonging in the league is still a massive issue for a lot of people in Australia. We are not short of enemies or people just jumping to advocate against us. Therefore I think we need to stand up here.

I think we should do: NO APPEALS, NO JUSTICE

The argument that we shouldn't have solidarity with banned fans - many of whom have shown #SaveTheNix solidarity with us - because the FFA might take revenge is a despicable and cowardly one.

We should definitely have a banner, irrespective of whether it gets on TV, just so the pictures get on Twitter and other fans are aware of our solidarity.

Note that I acknowledge that sometimes RBB or Tards Victory fans bring it on themselves; but the simple question of natural justice and the fact that the FFA acts as a kangaroo court until exposed in the media means that it is a question for us. The "no right of appeal, oh whoops, here's a right of appeal" bullshark comes from the same culture of impunity and arrogance which led to the "metrics" debacle and them trying to elbow us out in favour of Cronulla Riots FC.

And the "people who don't agree with me are youthful and naive" attitude is in itself despicable.

FTFY.

Just out of curiosity, since you have no empathy for the innocent people, would you be a fan of a blanket ban for all fans to the games?

I mean the precedent you are setting is that you are happy with innocent victims as long as they get the hooligans.  A blanket ban of all fans at all matches would get all of the hooligans.

As I said before, regardless of if they are munters or not there are minors on that list and someone has lost their job because of that list. There are people on there because they were at a party on someone's private property where a flare was let off.

Now it's illegal to let off a flare in NZ, and I'm sure its illegal in Australia, but its always going to be a warning type of offence. These people have had their names thrown all over a major news paper and the internet comparing them to terrorists and hardened criminals.

The internet doesn't forget, and some of these young people now have a permanent black mark against their names. If you had two candidates applying for a job with similar qualifications but one of them is called a hooligan, a hardened criminal, and engages in actions which are compared to the bombing of Paris and murder of 130 people then you are going to hire the other candidate.

It's like going to a party where someone's smoking a joint and then having articles written about you being in a drug cartel. The consequence in quite a lot of these cases far outweighs the crime.

Actually you are, and I certainly don't have the naivety of youth..

Us supporting other fan groups surely won't piss off the FFA as much as the nix writing Metrics for crowd figures? The club has shown that they aren't afraid to offend the FFA so why should we be?

10 of these are underway!

From the Deputy Lord Mayor of Parramatta

I saw it mentioned elsewhere that someone did challenge these bans in the court and won but the FFA still refused to let them in pretty much saying its not a public event but a private event on private property and they can do what they want.

Edit: Kyle bet me to it.

Why is it liberal dribble? Because it is pointing out that things are not equal? Or because it doesn't fit the agenda of a very few top 5%ers?

Another way of saying conservative is selfish prick.