Here here Tigers.
Football manager has a lot to answer for, everyman who has spent
$400m taking Chelsea to a Champs League win think they are gods
gift to coaching.
Because we've never seen him play there, why would you make a
change to play someone who last week had a quality game in midfield
in to a position he has never played (or certainly not in 3 years
of the A-League) ?
Change for the sake of change is foolish.
Change for the sake of change is foolish.
Check the replies, Is it because they are young HN?, they just don't seem to get it!!! aaarrrrghhh!!!!
I can understand 'da youfs' having dodgy taste in music that's their role in life, but have we failed to bring them up right??? how hard can it be to understand - in proper teams (not capital 9 etc) players develop skills and experience in a position!! That is were they perform best 99 times out of a 100!
Give me strength!!
well said, sir. hats off
I like tautologies because I like them.
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edit - quoting HN
quote >>Football manager has a lot to answer for, everyman who has spent $400m taking Chelsea to a Champs League win think they are gods gift to coaching. <<quote
to be fair, i suppose that would make them a better coach than 'the special One'
tigers2007-11-06
21:50:52
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Because we've never seen him play there, why would you make a
change to play someone who last week had a quality game in midfield
in to a position he has never played (or certainly not in 3 years
of the A-League) ?
Change for the sake of change is foolish.
Change for the sake of change is foolish.
Check the replies, Is it because they are young HN?, they just don't seem to get it!!! aaarrrrghhh!!!!
I can understand 'da youfs' having dodgy taste in music that's their role in life, but have we failed to bring them up right??? how hard can it be to understand - in proper teams (not capital 9 etc) players develop skills and experience in a position!! That is were they perform best 99 times out of a 100!
Give me strength!!
Wow settle down lads.
Change for the sake of change may be foolish, but change for
the sake of shoring up a very dodgy defence is not foolish.
If Clebo is injured I would much rather have Johnson at centre
back then Old and O'Dor.
Johnson has been quality in the midfiled in every game he's
played but once Aloisi's back he might be forced out of the
midfiled.
Johnson can tackle, hes decent with the ball, can pass and is
defensively minded.
O'Dor makes some good tackles but makes far too many mistakes
through lapses in concentration.
Old had his chance, and was very average.
I could've sworn Christie wasn't a right back before this
season...
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O'Dor is twenty years old and if fit should play every game, by
this time next season he'll be one of the best Centre Backs in the
league.
The difference with Christie is that we had no other right backs. We have players who have years of experience at CB.
Hard News2007-11-06 22:02:28
The difference with Christie is that we had no other right backs. We have players who have years of experience at CB.
Hard News2007-11-06 22:02:28
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Give me solid and reliable at centre back anyday. Its the same as a
keeper. You need confidence in them, knowing they will always be
there when needed. Who has these qualities in the side? Yep,
perhaps Johnson, and Dodd. I would say Dodd could be a natural
choice centre back. Wonder how he would go with Johnson. With Lia
playing, we have a wealth of midfielders, so perhaps we can look to
them to help strengthen the back four.
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Dodd is a rock.
But how many goals do we have to leak because of O'Dor before
he becomes a solid defender.
Lia is playing well but needs to sort out his tackling,
could've easily had 2 red cards already.
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FFS lads, we keep our first clean sheet of the season and you want
to change ?
Seriously, WTF ?
Who cares if it was streaky, it was a CLEAN sheet, a Nil, not a sausage, 3 points thanks to a conceding no goals...
Ricki - "Well done lads, clean sheet last week, rather than build on that I'll change it. Johnno, you've seen Centre Backs play all your career, fancy a crack ?"
I really do despair.
Hard News2007-11-06 22:42:36
Seriously, WTF ?
Who cares if it was streaky, it was a CLEAN sheet, a Nil, not a sausage, 3 points thanks to a conceding no goals...
Ricki - "Well done lads, clean sheet last week, rather than build on that I'll change it. Johnno, you've seen Centre Backs play all your career, fancy a crack ?"
I really do despair.
Hard News2007-11-06 22:42:36
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Always have to re-assess options though Hard News. We could just as easily have coughed up 3 goals last week. It's still broke and in need of fixing, don't you think?
Wingback, that's why I say keep Lia in the midfield....!!
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Perth had scored 7 in the previous three games, but the sides they
acored against haven't replaced the players.
I don't think it's broken. Dodd back and a more defensive midfield mindset, plus the keeper the defence was used to and we kept a clean sheet.
The perfect solution is of course to completely change the line-up, I mean it worked so well when forced against us in Adelaide.
It's a new club, totally new combinations, every other side has been doing this for two years. If you break down the combinations every week everyone has to re-learn things from scratch.
I say again. No change, and certainly not, 'on a hunch he might be okay' selections in positions. This week they chould start exactly the same XI if all players are available.
Hard News2007-11-06 22:49:24
I don't think it's broken. Dodd back and a more defensive midfield mindset, plus the keeper the defence was used to and we kept a clean sheet.
The perfect solution is of course to completely change the line-up, I mean it worked so well when forced against us in Adelaide.
It's a new club, totally new combinations, every other side has been doing this for two years. If you break down the combinations every week everyone has to re-learn things from scratch.
I say again. No change, and certainly not, 'on a hunch he might be okay' selections in positions. This week they chould start exactly the same XI if all players are available.
Hard News2007-11-06 22:49:24
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For sure, if anyone thought the first season amongst veterans was
going to be easy, they had another think coming. I'm confident
though that next season we'll be a sharp outfit. All the signs are
there of a team that has the survival instincts and the nuts to
tough it out and do well enough in its first season.
I'm definitely not one for knee jerk reactions though.
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Pao, I was totally agreeing about keeping Lia in midfield, he's
been very impressive!
News, all i'm suggesting is the we look at other options for
centre back, not completely changing the line-up at all.
We played well against Perth but Robinson had a shocker and
could've had about six. I think Dood, Lochhead and Christie should
definitely remain. Our defending has been comical at times, if we
adopt the approach of not changing anything even if players are
making mistakes then no matter how long they play together we will
keep conceading.
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Because we've never seen him play there, why would you make a
change to play someone who last week had a quality game in midfield
in to a position he has never played (or certainly not in 3 years
of the A-League) ?
Change for the sake of change is foolish.
Change for the sake of change is foolish.
Because theres a chance he will bring more stability than O'Dor or Old will. Lets face it, he can't be much worse.
How you can say thats change for the sake of change.... have you seen our defence so far this season? Certainly leaving something to be desired...
Wolfben2007-11-06 23:35:07
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A chance... a chance.... oh FFS.
Don't make you ban you Benny...
O'Dor is improving with every game, is quick, getting more confident and making less errors. Stand by him and this year we'll finish exactly where I expected, next year we'll make the four. Convert a 34yo midfielder and next season we start from scratch, even on the slight chance it comes off for this season.
Hard News2007-11-06 23:43:35
Don't make you ban you Benny...
O'Dor is improving with every game, is quick, getting more confident and making less errors. Stand by him and this year we'll finish exactly where I expected, next year we'll make the four. Convert a 34yo midfielder and next season we start from scratch, even on the slight chance it comes off for this season.
Hard News2007-11-06 23:43:35
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A chance... a chance.... oh FFS.
Don't make you ban you Benny...
O'Dor is improving with every game, is quick, getting more confident and making less errors. Stand by him and this year we'll finish exactly where I expected, next year we'll make the four. Convert a 34yo midfielder and next season we start from scratch, even on the slight chance it comes off for this season.
Don't make you ban you Benny...
O'Dor is improving with every game, is quick, getting more confident and making less errors. Stand by him and this year we'll finish exactly where I expected, next year we'll make the four. Convert a 34yo midfielder and next season we start from scratch, even on the slight chance it comes off for this season.
Well some people are putting Old in their team. I'd rather Felipe play there than Old.
The defence can't keep leaking like it is - or the only time we'll get points from another game will be the next time we play perth
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Well some people are putting Old in their team. I'd rather Felipe
play there than Old.
The defence can't keep leaking like it is - or the only time we'll get points from another game will be the next time we play perth
The defence can't keep leaking like it is - or the only time we'll get points from another game will be the next time we play perth
Well last time we changed we conceded 4, the moment we returned to the established line-up we kept a clean sheet... that's all I'm saying.
It won't keep leaking. It gets better every game and will continue to do so as the players establish a knowledge.
The other problem is that Johnson and Brown were huge last week, changing that would be foolishly risky.
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I'm happy to keep the defence as it is....
But if injuries occur, and Old comes in, its gonna be a disaster. He makes plodder look like a 100m sprinter
But if injuries occur, and Old comes in, its gonna be a disaster. He makes plodder look like a 100m sprinter
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Agree that Johnson is key is midfield. But I thought that he was
superb form the first game he played and then he got dropped for no
apparent reason. When Aloisi's back I'm not sure who will start in
the middle of midfield.
I think they should stick with the same three as last
week.
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Yep O'Dor has showed enough to deserve staying in the CB position
for the rest of the season. He NEEDS to develop a good combination
with Dodd by next year.
He's shaky at the moment but it'll come with time.
He's shaky at the moment but it'll come with time.
a.haak
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Oldie actually had a fair bit of pace at school...I couldn't run
him down in athletics! But I don't know what's happened to him over
the last 18 months or so, he just hasn't been the player he used to
be.
I'd probably let Clemenson go and look for another defencer
myself.
bling blang blah
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Hope Aloisi sits this one out, the
midfield looked a lot sharper withought him to be
honest and hopefully missing a couple of games might help him
find his form again, he has looked woefully behind the pace the
last two or three games he has played in and whether its injury or
just lack of fitness/form im sure the team and the player will
benefit long term if he misses out on first team football for
a couple of weeks!
I agree.Aloisi has tried hard but we benefitted from Lia's
fitness.I believe Brown and Lia will start taking control of the
midfield thus providing our defence with some assistance.
Start with the same 11 but PLEASE put Felipe on the
bench.
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FFS lads, we keep our first clean sheet of the season and you want to change ?� Seriously, WTF ?Who cares if it was streaky, it was a CLEAN sheet, a Nil, not a sausage, 3 points thanks to a conceding no goals...Ricki - "Well done lads, clean sheet last week, rather than build on that I'll change it.� Johnno, you've seen Centre Backs play all your career, fancy a crack ?"I really do despair.
It was a clean sheet, but it was still a very shaky display by our defence, and if a change can be made that will give us another clean sheet and make our defence more solid then I'm happy with that.
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Yeah players shouldnt be tried in other positions at all, despite
the fact they posess qualaties that would be useful in those
positions.
I mean who would play Harnwell up front, f**king ridiculous!
Christie aswell, hes a CM shouldnt be playing RB...
I mean who would play Harnwell up front, f**king ridiculous!
Christie aswell, hes a CM shouldnt be playing RB...
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oldy was in the top few for the agility test at the start of the
season and quickest over 200m- he has gas - just needs some decent
players round him to get the confidence up. Totally agree with
comments above on keeping O'Dor in team, these young guys will be
class in a season or two if they keep in the sort of environment,
no point putting a midfielder in at CB near the end of their career
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my
team:
Moss
Christie Dodd
O'Dor
Lochead
Johnsen Brown
Lia
Elrich
Daniel
Smeltz
bench: Paston, Felipe, Old and Cov
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i know in the past ricki has not been afraid 2 make the tough
decisions and though i dont necessarily think it would be wise i
think ross will play. my ideal team would be the one posted above
by betters
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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I'm still unsure on Ross. I think he'll come in for Johnson if
anyone, but maybe he'll be on the bench. We'll have to wait till
Sunday to find out :)
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i know in the past ricki has not been afraid 2 make the tough
decisions and though i dont necessarily think it would be wise i
think ross will play. my ideal team would be the one posted above
by betters
Hey Bopman,
I'm not sure from your post which you regard as the tough decision - my guess is it would be tough either way
- changing the composition of a midfield that played well in a crucial winning game
-effectively dropping the captain (though the whole coming back from injury thing makes the 'dropping' slightly less embarrassing for the player)
I think i'd start with last weeks centre-mid trio and have Ross on the bench (but that's me almost avoiding the tough decision
) I imagine he'd be pretty fired up if he came on with 20 mins to go.
edit - Just read this again, and no it doesn't sound right to me - I'd start Ross Aloisi!!
tigers2007-11-08 17:37:41
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I think we should keep it the same. As others have touched
on, and Ricki has also mentioned, the defensive problems have not
been only the defenses fault. Brown, Johnson and Lia were
great last week and should continue. Sure Perth weren't
exactly great but our boys will only be better for some consistency
and confidence put in them.
One of my big questions is whether we can continue to score
goals with that line-up. I like having Coveny up front
for Smeltz to work off, but who to put him on for? Maybe Lia,
but that puts a bit more pressure on Elrich and Daniel to defend
more, which may not be a bad thing.
A good thing from last week was that Christie and Lochhead got
forward more and I think we have looked the best when that
happens.
Hmmm, okay after that rambling, I have changed my mind and I
reckon we use Coveny for Lia, keep Brown and Johnson there to help
the defence and you've got Daniel and Elrich to create things for
Coveny & Smeltz, and use Lochhead and Christie a lot on the
wings.
We can then use Lia and Filipe's energy later in the game,
hopefully once the lads have set it up nicely with a 2 nil
lead...
energy24.72007-11-08 21:20:19
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i find it comical that after the sydney game felipe was the best
import in the league, now he doesnt even warrant a starting spot in
our team. i understand the circumstances tht see him on the
percieved outter but if he is good enough surely he will play
or is it the case now that he will play wen we are at home and
wont wen we r away?
www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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i find it comical that after the sydney game felipe was the best
import in the league, now he doesnt even warrant a starting spot in
our team. i understand the circumstances tht see him on the
percieved outter but if he is good enough surely he will play
or is it the case now that he will play wen we are at home and
wont wen we r away?
seems to be a case of Ricky wanting a centre mid combination that can hold and win possession and cover when we lose the ball and the fact that Elrich and Daniel are the more natural wide players than Felipe
I hope felipe does get back into the starting line-up (he's probably our most effective player in terms of his ability to produce something creative) but I'd settle for seeing him regularly off the bench (especially for away games) if that brings us more consistency in terms of picking up points
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