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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well i think give him time. he has had some great moments(goal vs ccm)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
parkz15 wrote:
well i think give him time. he has had some great moments(goal vs ccm)


Sorry, that was a rhetorical question.  I was in in fact trying to point out that most people are in one of two camps.  There's a whole different thread for the debate......
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

ooo sorry lol

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he's so sh*t it's unbelievable
 
 
only at the moment though .. :D

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I understand thats he's coming back from a serious injury, but how many seasons do you give the guy to stamp his mark?

he's currently taking up our 1 and only marguee spot. I think there are others players that would make us a stronger team.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's put in a few decent crosses but not often enough and has struggled to beat his man on the outside and take it to the line and either cut back or put in a great cross.  He definitely needs more time to complete his injury comeback and unfortunately we only have four games left. 

If he scores another wonder strike v Sydney at home and then nails one v Melbourne away I'd be all for signing him again - but at this stage he has a lot of work to do to convince me he's worth a spot in our squad, let alone our marquee spot....
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fitz wrote:
I understand thats he's coming back from a serious injury, but how many seasons do you give the guy to stamp his mark?

you make it sound like hes into his thrird year, give the guy a break he is improving every game.
definitely get his brother though
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
parkz15 wrote:
well i think give him time. he has had some great moments(goal vs ccm)


moments? name two others

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
getting subbed off on Friday, thats one

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
getting subbed off on Friday, thats one


oh no you didn't
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
When he raced to the touchline to retrieve the ball and then he sent a nice cross over to Coveny, unfortunately it went just over Coveny's head.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he'll getter better when he gets fitter.. you see him now well  i reckon that he'll be twice as good by the time next season comes around.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sowrinator wrote:
he'll getter better when he gets fitter.. you see him now well  i reckon that he'll be twice as good by the time next season comes around.
 
But he is a professional, if he is not fit near now (and he has been getting a reasonable amount of game time) he will never be able to get fit in the off season.
 
Get rid I say.
 
BTW he reminds me of Mulaik Buari for the Knights. Started the season with a wonder goal, then speed and crossing just evaporated.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I can't believe he's still starts when we have Daniel on the bench, all his crosses don't beat the first man and when he losses the ball he just stands there instead of running back to try get it back.  If he wasn't our Marque you might keep him, but you could probably find half a dozen players for way cheaper that would do just as good job as he's currently doing. betters2007-12-18 10:46:35
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yea unless he shows some real improvement he should probably go because I can think of players in our squad now I'd rather have as marque.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agreed, very good point about Daniel, if possible drop him under the cap as a regular player and if there's cash in the bank (hope T's got deep pockets) get a class, fit marquee.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DLB - there needs to be a third option: Has been real, real, crap - but should be perservered with for at least one more season as he's technically one of the best we have.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DLB - there needs to be a third option: Has been real, real, crap - but should be perservered with for at least one more season as he's technically one of the best we have.
 
That's kind of what I meant by the second option but didn't want to be too negative and incur the wrath of Cantona Forever.......
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DLB - there needs to be a third option: Has been real, real, crap - but should be perservered with for at least one more season as he's technically one of the best we have.

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That's kind of what I meant by the second option but didn't want to be too negative and incur the wrath of Cantona Forever.......


Fair enough.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why did he spit the dummy when he was subbed on the weekend? He kicked a water bottle, then a bib or something, and threw away his tracksuit top when he sat down. What was the key to that?
 
Perhaps he was just playing out the 'you don't sub your marquee player' role......
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
he'd be better off putting that intensity into his time on the pitch
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Couldn't agree more. I wonder if anyone has the dirt on what he was so upset about.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scoop wrote:
parkz15 wrote:
well i think give him time. he has had some great moments(goal vs ccm)


moments? name two others
good point. Hes had one good moment.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
BBD
 
Bring Back Daniel
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well Daniels out for the next 2 games so I guess we'll have to stick with Elrich.

I say keep him but only as a squad player and free up our Marquee slot for someone who is truly Marquee. That then depends on whether his ego and his wallet will allow him to only be a squad player.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
pao1908 wrote:
Why did he spit the dummy when he was subbed on the weekend? He kicked a water bottle, then a bib or something, and threw away his tracksuit top when he sat down. What was the key to that?
 
Perhaps he was just playing out the 'you don't sub your marquee player' role......
 
I think he was checking to see if he could still kick something,  coz he couldnt kick a ball properly the whole game!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought he had a good second half vs Adelaide. Put in quite a few decent crosses, and bet his man quite a few times as well. The most frustrating thing for me though is his lack of urgency, particularly coming back when he gets the ball taken off him. You tend to wonder whether he really wants to be here, or is just passing the time?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hlmphil wrote:
I thought he had a good second half vs Adelaide. Put in quite a few decent crosses, and bet his man quite a few times as well. The most frustrating thing for me though is his lack of urgency, particularly coming back when he gets the ball taken off him. You tend to wonder whether he really wants to be here, or is just passing the time?
 
 
He's still not fit enough and doesnt have the pace to get around a player.  I still think we should hold on to him though. If Ricky can get him fit I think he has potential
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
its not really posible to get rid of him this late but if he continues to underperform i think he should be gone in the off season. 

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