The fans deserve better than this...
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I'm a season ticket holder (and I've been to an away game!!) so I
think my 'hardcore' credentials aren't in doubt...but I came away
from the game today wondering if I'm being conned.
I realise that the team only exists because some
Oriental Bay 'new money' wanted to be the Pak 'n' Save version of
Roman Abramovich...and that the manager spends more time
thinking "Will it be Paraguay or Chile in the play-offs"? than he
does about team formations...and that
EVERYBODY thinks an hour of David Beckham playing
jet-lagged keepy-uppy is more important than a '20 goals a season'
striker...but still....today was pretty woeful and it's time some
people admitted it.
I sit in the 'gold' section near the centre line, surrounded
by decent people...lots of youngsters and families, lots of
potential long-term fans...and, to be honest, today was just an
embarrassment. One good goal, granted...but otherwise a total
lack of sense or direction or purpose, leading to moments of
schoolboy level playing that ended, all too predictably, with a
defeat.
I'm not expecting miracles from a team that's only a few
months old, but the fact is that the other teams in the A-League
aren't especially good and a decent manager should be able to play
to home strengths and fashion a better side than we saw today. The
fans (not the over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch, who are content to
turn into a bunch of 'stoners' whenever the team goes a goal down)
deserve more than this.
Any thoughts?
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what the hell are you dong sitting ?
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The nix players actually looked hungry for the ball and were
getting in there to make tackles which I was happy with for a
start, we managed to challenge them in midfield rather than letting
our opponents run amok. We got a lot of ball forward and
attacks going but just lacked finishing/shots at goal... that's
hardly something to have a tanty about and claim you're losing your
faith.
btw - "over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch" ? What forum do you think you're on?
btw - "over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch" ? What forum do you think you're on?
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As rants go, Avid, yours is fairly well structured, but it is still
a rant.
Now that you've vented your spleen, you may feel a little better.
Like you I'm disappointed with the result, but i've not lost sight of the great flowing football i've witnessed v Melbourne x2, Sydney x2, Perth.
Perspective.
Now that you've vented your spleen, you may feel a little better.
Like you I'm disappointed with the result, but i've not lost sight of the great flowing football i've witnessed v Melbourne x2, Sydney x2, Perth.
Perspective.
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btw - "over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch" ? What forum do you think you're on?
I'm being provocative.
Think of the first post as a 'verbal bottle' being chucked at
the sleepy fans....
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Like you I'm disappointed with the result, but i've not lost sight of the great flowing football i've witnessed v Melbourne x2, Sydney x2, Perth.
Perspective.
Well...yes, there's nothing more exciting than roaring the
team on to a home draw but, again, there's no reason why it
couldn't be better.
To be fair, some of the players looked genuinely gutted at the
end. I'm not blaming them.
'Lions led by donkeys', etc.
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Hey Avid be careful you cannot say anything against this mob
without being cautioned. I see your reasoning and I caught a flight
back from Auckland (watching the Lions) so I could watch the Nix
game.
I too was disappointed and apart from Elrich I think the players need a good kick up the arse.
Cory Jane would be better at right back than Christie, he turns slower than Lomu, every week the opposition out pace him on the outside and as for that cockup at the end what a effin disgrace.
btw If you want to sit and watch the footy thats up to you.
I too was disappointed and apart from Elrich I think the players need a good kick up the arse.
Cory Jane would be better at right back than Christie, he turns slower than Lomu, every week the opposition out pace him on the outside and as for that cockup at the end what a effin disgrace.
btw If you want to sit and watch the footy thats up to you.
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On a positive note, I'm watching the replay on Sky Sports 1 at the
moment. The singing by the fans has been nearly non stop and VERY
loud. Well done everyone, it's sounds awesome on TV!
And Harry Ngata has given a very fair assessment of
things!
Lonegunmen2007-10-22 00:59:18
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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What the hell is this crap? We have obvious defensive frailties but
apart from that we didn't do THAT much wrong.
Just another complete over reaction by a fan disappointed after a loss. Move along.
It's our first season, for gods sake. All of the other teams have had 2 to get settled in and used to combinations - this is especially telling in defence.
valeo2007-10-22 02:08:35
Just another complete over reaction by a fan disappointed after a loss. Move along.
It's our first season, for gods sake. All of the other teams have had 2 to get settled in and used to combinations - this is especially telling in defence.
valeo2007-10-22 02:08:35
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Avid makes some valid points. We have to wake up to the fact
we are not good enough yet and stop all the self congatulation
about how loud the fans are etc.
Didn't do much wrong Valeo? We made three schoolboy
errors at the back (I include the pen here) that you can't expect
to make at any level and get away with.
Daniel had a poor game by his standards, our passing and
crossing in the final third was abysmal and I can't recall their
keeper making a proper save whereas Moss was busy all
afternoon. To top it off, I thought the substitution was also
poor. You don't bring a kid on for his debut when you are
trying to win the game against the league leaders. That's the
sort of substition you make when you are 3-1 up.
A depressing day all round. We DO deserve better than
this and the sh*t they played last week.
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I'm a season ticket holder (and I've been to an away game!!) so I
think my 'hardcore' credentials aren't in doubt...but I came away
from the game today wondering if I'm being conned.
your just stoned all the time then are you
?? I realise that the team only exists because some
Oriental Bay 'new money' wanted to be the Pak 'n' Save version of
Roman Abramovich...and that the manager spends more time
thinking "Will it be Paraguay or Chile in the play-offs"? than he
does about team formations...and that
EVERYBODY thinks an hour of David Beckham playing
jet-lagged keepy-uppy is more important than a '20 goals a season'
striker...but still....today was pretty woeful and it's time some
people admitted it.
I sit in the 'gold' section near the centre line, surrounded
by decent people...lots of youngsters and families, lots of
potential long-term fans...and, to be honest, today was just an
embarrassment. One good goal, granted...but otherwise a total
lack of sense or direction or purpose, leading to moments of
schoolboy level playing that ended, all too predictably, with a
defeat.
I'm not expecting miracles from a team that's only a few
months old, but the fact is that the other teams in the A-League
aren't especially good and a decent manager should be able to play
to home strengths and fashion a better side than we saw today.
The fans (not the over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch, who are content
to turn into a bunch of 'stoners' whenever the team goes a goal
down) deserve more than this.
Any thoughts?
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and that the manager spends more time thinking "Will it be
Paraguay or Chile in the play-offs"?
Don`t you mean Iraq or Australia?
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I think we did ok but were let down by two soft goals. If we are
going to win we need to sort the D out first we are yet to have a
clean sheet.
Odor has done well but looked very poor tonight, so maybe
Clebs or old will come in.
Whoever had a go at christie watch the game again, bar for the
lapse at the end he was our best back, he made good runs, won every
50 50 and never stopped.
We now need to win our next two away games.
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don't agree a at all.
I just think you're gutted - which I understand cause so
am I - and you're taking a bit of your frustration out in this
post.
The team played one of the best games of the season. They
fought and almost snatched a 1-1 draw. And we all know that sitting
on a 1-1 anything can happen.
The CCM have been extremely lucky to get that goal - even
though even my grandpa would have scored that - but it's luck
nonetheless.
If there is anything to critizice, and I'm here for this too,
I think Ricky should have made all 3 changes and way earlier in the
game.
We had LIA and ELRICH who were running with their HEART, not
theri LEGS. They were visibly tired and obviously, although they
play such a nice game, would have benefitted from a change.
Plus you had what, 4 or 5 all whites who played on Wednesday in Fiji..people like Lochhead who runs 20miles per game...give them a change and KEEP ATTACKING. That's how we would've won that game.
There was a phase in the 2nd half where we were attacking like
nuts. But Lia was cramping, poor Elrich was trying his best, Daniel
and Smeltz needed an extra hand..if Costa or George had been in
there, you never know we would have snatched a win.
and now we would all be talking about what a great game the
Nix played
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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I'm a season ticket holder (and I've been to an away game!!) so I
think my 'hardcore' credentials aren't in doubt...but I came away
from the game today wondering if I'm being conned.
I realise that the team only exists because some
Oriental Bay 'new money' wanted to be the Pak 'n' Save version of
Roman Abramovich...and that the manager spends more time
thinking "Will it be Paraguay or Chile in the play-offs"? than he
does about team formations...and that
EVERYBODY thinks an hour of David Beckham playing
jet-lagged keepy-uppy is more important than a '20 goals a season'
striker...but still....today was pretty woeful and it's time some
people admitted it.
I sit in the 'gold' section near the centre line, surrounded
by decent people...lots of youngsters and families, lots of
potential long-term fans...and, to be honest, today was just an
embarrassment. One good goal, granted...but otherwise a total
lack of sense or direction or purpose, leading to moments of
schoolboy level playing that ended, all too predictably, with a
defeat.
I'm not expecting miracles from a team that's only a few
months old, but the fact is that the other teams in the A-League
aren't especially good and a decent manager should be able to play
to home strengths and fashion a better side than we saw today. The
fans (not the over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch, who are content to
turn into a bunch of 'stoners' whenever the team goes a goal down)
deserve more than this.
Any thoughts?
First and formost I don't see were the money that backs our
football team comes from. Would you feel better if it was Peter
Jackson or maybe even Russel Crowe he seems to like supporting
sport teams. Personally I would rather have Ricki just coach the
all whites or just coach the phoenix but were New Zealand Football
is at the moment I just don't think that is productive. This way we
have a chance of Getting to 2010 and a chance of making the
A-league play offs.
Yes yesterday was bad, however both goals were from individual
errors - Christies and O'dors - Ricki can't be faulted for
individual errors as last time I checked the players aren't robots.
Most people agree on this forum that our defense is woeful the
stats prove it and we all regualarly admit it. We all want to see a
stronger defense but at this point there isn't much Ricki can do.
We just don't have the depth back there to continually swap people
around. Hopefully today was a wake up call for them, and they
improve their communication.
As for the fans 99.99 percent of the people on this forum
Stand in the fever zone. I belive that we play a big part in the
atmosphere of the stadium and are just as much a part of the game
as the players are. (this will hopefully change in the future and
people will go for the game first then the atmosphere second) But
to accuse of stoners is a bit harsh. Only one or two bottles were
thrown from up the back I did not see thousands of them pelting the
Central Coast players so please don't tar us with the same
brush
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and that the manager spends more time thinking "Will it be
Paraguay or Chile in the play-offs"?
Don`t you mean Iraq or Australia?
Yes I do! I wrote the original post way past my
bedtime...so errors were bound to creep in.
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Just out of interest Avid, would you still be making the post if we
hadn't made two defensive stuff-ups and had won the game 1-0?
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and that the manager spends more time thinking "Will it be
Paraguay or Chile in the play-offs"?
Don`t you mean Iraq or Australia?
Yes I do! I wrote the original post way past my
bedtime...so errors were bound to creep in.
Righto.
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Lots of interesting replies to my post, good to see a range of fair
comment.
Attacking my own post...I'd say that, whilst not
especially liking the owner..it's his money and he can do what he
likes with it.....though with home gates of over 10,000
surely there must be quite a bit of cash flowing back into his
pockets even at this early stage, no??
As for the manger, no point complaining about him because,
unless anyone has any other ideas, I can't think of a realistically
better replacement.
And as for the 'fever zone' once they stop chucking bottles
and sing twice as loud when the team concede a goal, they'll
guarantee the title of 'best fans in the league'. The potential is
there.
Again, that's what my first post was mainly about....the
Phoenix having such great potential and pissing it away. I'm not
moaning because we lost a game...I think my avatar shows I'm used
to a life of shabby defeats...I was moaning because I feel that
with a bit more focus this league is there for the taking.
But if the owner is a 'starf**ker' and the
manger thinks in terms of training matches for the national
team then it'll all end in tears.
Which basically means if they played an attacking 4-4-2 every
home game I'd stop moaning...
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Just out of interest Avid, would you still be making the post if we
hadn't made two defensive stuff-ups and had won the game 1-0?
Probably...I've been wanting to bitch about the owner and
manager for a while and I think the shoddy nature of the defeat
pushed me over the edge.
(Hears chant.....)
"You only post when we're losing...."
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Advid. I think ya need to get a bit of perpective.
Yeah there are a few defensive things to sort out and yeah
your opinon stands on all the other stuff . But the Picture is
way bigger than that Bro.
At the end of the day being just because you have a season
pass doen't make you hardcore or any better than the gate paying
fan. hardcore is being optimistic about coming results and the
sucess of the club in the future and being there to the end
....even if all is lost ........the hardcore still believe.
If you want hardcore and a miricle, the fella's of YF are
hardcore, the amount of time and effort they have put into getting
the profile of football lifted in WGTN is nothing short of a
F**king miricle considering the majority of
the public's hooplaa about the oval ball WC and
the stigma's of their predecessors Kinights and Kings.
If you want hard core, the kids that get up every Monday of
every school week hoping and dreaming that someone from the Phoenix
comes to their school unannounced and has a few kicks with
them........ I have the creditals knowing this as do thethe
other few thousand parents that that march with their
kids to the game when ever they can. My boy was livered and all
most in tears last night, but he still woke up wanting to have
kicks at the part and pull "Allrich" moves.
As for the Oriental Bay "New Money", that's pretty harsh. Even
though you weren't looking for miricles ....There is your micle, if
it wasn't for Terry and Ricki we would have had the oval ball game
stuck so far down our throat's that WGTN and NZ fotball would have
been F**ked full stop.
Don't let your disapointment for a loss become a path to
practicing witch hunts.
Lets embrace every chance we have to keep the Fooball &
the Phoenix alive and kick in WGTN and NZ.
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Probably...I've been wanting to bitch about the owner and
manager for a while and I think the shoddy nature of the defeat
pushed me over the edge.
(Hears chant.....)
"You only post when we're losing...."
A tad harsh....9 games into a season.....that would
not exist if it hadn't been for both the owner and manager (I
believe the former was not prepared to take the punt without the
latter?).
Clearly after decades of Wycombe's mediocrity you would
be entitled to have a rant, but this context is entirely
different...at this stage, at least.
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Advid. I think ya need to get a bit of perpective.
Yeah there are a few defensive things to sort out and yeah
your opinon stands on all the other stuff . But the Picture is
way bigger than that Bro.
At the end of the day being just because you have a season
pass doen't make you hardcore or any better than the gate paying
fan. hardcore is being optimistic about coming results and the
sucess of the club in the future and being there to the end
....even if all is lost ........the hardcore still believe.
If you want hardcore and a miricle, the fella's of YF are
hardcore, the amount of time and effort they have put into getting
the profile of football lifted in WGTN is nothing short of a
F**king miricle considering the majority of
the public's hooplaa about the oval ball WC and
the stigma's of their predecessors Kinights and Kings.
If you want hard core, the kids that get up every Monday of
every school week hoping and dreaming that someone from the Phoenix
comes to their school unannounced and has a few kicks with
them........ I have the creditals knowing this as do thethe
other few thousand parents that that march with their
kids to the game when ever they can. My boy was livered and all
most in tears last night, but he still woke up wanting to have
kicks at the part and pull "Allrich" moves.
As for the Oriental Bay "New Money", that's pretty harsh. Even
though you weren't looking for miricles ....There is your micle, if
it wasn't for Terry and Ricki we would have had the oval ball game
stuck so far down our throat's that WGTN and NZ fotball would have
been F**ked full stop.
Don't let your disapointment for a loss become a path to
practicing witch hunts.
Lets embrace every chance we have to keep the Fooball &
the Phoenix alive and kick in WGTN and NZ.
I was being 'tongue-in-cheek' when I said I was
'hardcore' but, still, a very fair post.
I agree with you, the fans have been a revelation...far bigger
numbers and commitment than I ever thought would happen. Which is
why they deserve a lot better than yesterday's game.
And this message board serves an important purpose. I'd
sooner rant and rave on here than take out my frustrations in the
stadium. I've seen (in the UK) some shocking abuse
of teams by the home fans...I don't think the Phoenix players
deserve any criticism.
And yes....just keep saying "At least it's not rugby" when
times are hard....I'll make a point of doing that in future.
avid2007-10-22 10:41:01
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Clearly after decades of Wycombe's mediocrity you would
be entitled to have a rant, but this context is entirely
different...at this stage, at least.
Well, yes..it's an odd context isn't it? It's like
being a Man U fan in the days when they were still called Newton
Heath...which makes everything still a bit 'unreal', if you know
what I mean.
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Just out of interest Avid, would you still be making the post if we
hadn't made two defensive stuff-ups and had won the game 1-0?
Probably...I've been wanting to bitch about the owner and
manager for a while and I think the shoddy nature of the defeat
pushed me over the edge.
(Hears chant.....)
"You only post when we're losing...."
Fair enough- entitled to your opinion. Agree with Tigers- well
structured post. Certainly don't agree with all thats been said
but can understand where you are coming from.
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when our defense hoofs it, they are criticised
- now, they are critised for not hoofing it enough
when Clebbo's playing, everyone say get rid of Clebbo, he can't turn etc.
- now, people want Clebbo instead of O'dor
when we beat Perth 4-1 and Daniel played a blinder, he was lauded like anything
- now, he's too showy and we should have bought better imports
in other games, people wanted Costa to be given a run to try something new
- now, people complain that Costa shouldn't have been brought on cos he's too young and inexperienced
MAKE UP YOUR MINDS you can't have it both ways and pretend to have all the answers when we lose cos you don't
sorry this is just for some people that are pissing me off, not the majority that see this game as it really was, a hard fought battle that could've gone either way
as for hassling Terry, without him we wouldn't be having this discussion so grow a brain
I like tautologies because I like them.
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solution: stay at home and wtach re-runs of Only Fools and Horses.
Problem solved. Feverish2007-10-22 11:07:44
Founder
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solution: stay at home and wtach re-runs of Only Fools and Horses.
Problem solved.
Only the 30 minute episodes, though...the show went downhill
when they changed to the 50 minute format.
(and Buster Merryfield was a rubbish sub...)
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solution: stay at home and wtach re-runs of Only Fools and Horses.
Problem solved.
Thats the attitude Feverish, thats what happened with the knights and kingz 10,000+ one week 8000 the next 4000 the next and hello feverish and a few mates are sitting in the stand wondering where it all went wrong.
I warned you last week when it was all still roses that cracks will appear, read the forum there are people not happy with where things are going.
Your answer is if you dont like it leave or cut them well if you want balance accept criticism.
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tem for next week.unlikely but I want:
Paston
Lia O'Dor Dodd
Lochead
Brown Aloisi
Elrich
Daniel
Felipe
Smeltz
Bench: Moss
Old
Ferrante
Coveny
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the fans deserve better than this... so true...
the fans deserve OLD.
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tem for next week.unlikely but I want:
Paston
Lia O'Dor Dodd
Lochead
Brown Aloisi
Elrich
Daniel
Felipe
Smeltz
Bench: Moss
Old
Ferrante
Coveny
pretty much what i want as well, haven't thought about the reserves though.
think plodder deserves to be dropped not just because of the cock up at the end but i am pretty sure he messed up the chance where he was in behind ccm with the ball with smeltz and elrich both free in the box with only the keeper to beat. Alos they had to swap elrich and daniel at the half cos cristie was to slow to give elrich the ball.
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solution: stay at home and wtach re-runs of Only Fools and Horses.
Problem solved.
Thats the attitude Feverish, thats what happened with the knights and kingz 10,000+ one week 8000 the next 4000 the next and hello feverish and a few mates are sitting in the stand wondering where it all went wrong.
I warned you last week when it was all still roses that cracks will appear, read the forum there are people not happy with where things are going.
Your answer is if you dont like it leave or cut them well if you want balance accept criticism.
most of what he wrote was a load of crap. Did Terry build him
a dodgy house or something? Go to Old Trafford if you expect
Premier league. Im saying just appreciate having great footy in
your own backyard. Nobody said it was going to be easy, the gaff
has assembled a great team, so lets get behind them though think
and thin.
Founder
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Paston
Lia O'Dor Dodd
Lochead
Aloisi
Elrich
Daniel
Felipe
Smeltz
Coveny/brownlie
Bench: Moss
Old
Tim Brown
Coveny/Brownlie
how ever I dunno if i would play it this week as Elrich cannot
run a whole game yet.
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most of what he wrote was a load of crap. Did Terry build him
a dodgy house or something?
No, he sold me a bag of talcum powder...
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The fans (not the over-hyped 'fever zone' bunch, who are content to
turn into a bunch of 'stoners' whenever the team goes a goal down)
deserve more than this.
Any thoughts?
over hyped?? stoners?? and heres you sitting in the gold zone
, SITTING ... are you one of those fans that will end up turning up
if a team has a winning streak, and wont bother turning up if the
team loses??
You seem like a fan that doesn't deserve anything more.
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over hyped?? stoners?? and heres you sitting in the gold zone
, SITTING ... are you one of those fans that will end up turning up
if a team has a winning streak, and wont bother turning up if the
team loses??
You seem like a fan that doesn't deserve anything more.
Well...I'm not a young buck anymore, you know...But I'll be
there to the bitter end, I promise you.
Better not tell anybody I almost bought a 'platinum
package'.......
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avid, I hope there won't be a 'bitter end'. I've had two of those already.
It just pees me off that Tambo and Buncey aren't there in the centre of defence, when I see these errors. I think Dood has done really well and would make a good pairing with either of them. We need three strong centre backs to choose from, not 15 midfielders and strikers.
Thats not even mentioning right back!
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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