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about 13 years ago

 While we definitly need some sort of injection in midfield,my biggest frustration at the moment is our players seemingly lack of ability at one of the most basic skills in football and thats completing a pass.The number of times in recent games that we give away possesion because we seem to under hit a pass is just bloody ridiculous.

Getting pissed off with our continual tactic of just banging it up front and somehow thinking our guys who are genrally shorter than the defence will make somthing of it.

Also why is it that when one of the young guys screws up so many good chances he dosnt get slammed like others do.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 13 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

gings wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

gings wrote:

 Lindsay onto the bench for the next game, hope he gets a decent run!

 

All these people calling for Lindsay to get a run have you actually seen him play before?
Twice I've seen him play a full 90 and both times he was really quite bad.
2 years now he's been at the club and he's never seen a minute, surely there's a reason for that.



Seen him play a few times. I'm not saying he'll be our messiah and be signed by a big club in europe after 20 minutes, but I think he deserves a chance to show his wares at this level.


Is he any better than Smith, Manny or Lia though? (Okay maybe Lia) Isn't it just making a change for the sake of making a change?
I'd rather see Smithy restored to the starting line up. Seems to link well with Sanchez.


Agree 100% would rather Smith in the starting line up (over Lia, but Manny will be out so bring Smith in) and Lindsay on the bench. He might even get a starting slot if we're missing Bertos


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about 13 years ago

Since I was barreled for my negative view on our last performance I did say I would write about the positives from this one.

The positives as I see it

Paston: Many think he is a spent force. Realistically, if it was not for his keeping tonight, it could well have been 6 or 7. Would others have made the same saves? Tough to know.

Leo has made a really good fist of RB. Interesting hearing Mulvey say after the game they targeted him but I think if any coach had any brains, they would come down the other flank. -1 for intelligence there Mike.

Shots on goal actually work. As Brockie has shown, trying to walk it in does not work. We need shots on goal. Even if you use the concept of law of averages, you have a better chance of scoring if you shoot and put the bloody thing on target. The standard of keeping in the A League is certainly not that flash so pump them under pressure and see what you get from it.

Manny will be getting a rest. He needed one anyway for being out of form and Ricki was not going to drop him so...


Thats about it.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

As far as I'm concerned NUFC needs the ban stick. Total negativity (bordering on trolling), abuse of other members only makes it worse. Adds absolutely nothing to this forum, neither insight or humor.

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about 13 years ago

Some thoughts on the game and the current state of play.

1. tpmyhill nailed it upthread when he said we are not playing as a team. Lots of effort and skill and determination from most players but we are not seeing combinations develop, especially the mid-field linking with the strikers. 
2. The Curse Of The Long Ball.  As others have noted this doesn't seem a particular effective tactic.
3. Bertos has been fantastic all season, great attitude and skill.
4. Haven't (yet?) seen much value from Waffles apart of his early goals. Would like to see Totori play for longer to see if he really has the goods.
5. Been really impressed with Fenton and to a lesser extent Boyd.  Plenty of skill, energy and desire but we need to remember they are both young and need time to really develop their potential.  
6. As others have noted Lia must have some incriminating stuff on Ricky
7. The quality of the referring in the A-League is at a same level as the quality of playing.  Variable, shall we say.

Actually I think we are playing well and are always there, or there abouts. We have proved we can come from behind, and we are playing better away from home. But there are some issues to be addressed for us to start getting the consistent results I think we are capable of.





Hey you bastards I'm still here.

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about 13 years ago

Looks like Lia willgget another chance against the victory with Herbert saying Smith possibly has a broken cheekbone along with bertos.

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about 13 years ago

 the road trip to brisbane was always going to be a tough ask. On current form i'l take a top 6 finish

rojas, so special

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

 the road trip to brisbane was always going to be a tough ask. On current form i'l take a top 6 finish

 I feel we are not to far off being a very dangerous team. Just need some smarter midfield options 


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about 13 years ago

As far as I'm concerned NUFC needs the ban stick. Total negativity (bordering on trolling), abuse of other members only makes it worse. Adds absolutely nothing to this forum, neither insight or humor.


Abuse ?

I think not. Sorry if I have offended you. However, just because you are offended, does not mean you're right...



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about 13 years ago

Didnt see game..will try and catch replay this arvo.  YF and Dickens have/had something in common......we may still get 6th but I agree it just isnt geling on the park at the moment.

Fully expected Boyd to collect a yellow or two during the season..he has bordered on it in couple of games so far when things go wrong...  yoof....

Brockie still confounds...as does Heysegems not getting more game time but not with Brockie..they dont mix and match.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 13 years ago

bladenix wrote:

Looks like Lia willgget another chance against the victory with Herbert saying Smith possibly has a broken cheekbone along with bertos.

Oh Wow. I would have thought if anything, Bertos would have been struggling. The knock Smith took at the end did not look flush.
So potentially next week we are sans Boyd, Manny, Smith and Bertos. With Ifill also injured....
I would be surprised if the Victory do not steam roll us if the above comes to pass. Assuming worst case, you'd have Boxall to come in on the right, Lia to drop into the holding roll, Totori/Stein to play up front and need another midfielder unless we look at a formation change. Lindsay might get a trot after all.

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about 13 years ago

bladenix wrote:

 the road trip to brisbane was always going to be a tough ask. On current form i'l take a top 6 finish

 I feel we are not to far off being a very dangerous team. Just need some smarter midfield options 


Exactly. An injection of one quality midfield player would make such a difference. Yes it would be good to have Hogg to put pressure on Lochhead, and yes Herbert hasn't worked out how to use Stein. But this campaign will fall off the tracks if they don't find a solution in the window, or from within in midfield. The A League's left Lia way behind, and Muscat is struggling because of it. 

 

 

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Sunset Sam wrote:

Some thoughts on the game and the current state of play.

1. tpmyhill nailed it upthread when he said we are not playing as a team. Lots of effort and skill and determination from most players but we are not seeing combinations develop, especially the mid-field linking with the strikers. 
2. The Curse Of The Long Ball.  As others have noted this doesn't seem a particular effective tactic.
3. Bertos has been fantastic all season, great attitude and skill.
4. Haven't (yet?) seen much value from Waffles apart of his early goals. Would like to see Totori play for longer to see if he really has the goods.
5. Been really impressed with Fenton and to a lesser extent Boyd.  Plenty of skill, energy and desire but we need to remember they are both young and need time to really develop their potential.  
6. As others have noted Lia must have some incriminating stuff on Ricky
7. The quality of the referring in the A-League is at a same level as the quality of playing.  Variable, shall we say.

Actually I think we are playing well and are always there, or there abouts. We have proved we can come from behind, and we are playing better away from home. But there are some issues to be addressed for us to start getting the consistent results I think we are capable of.

I think its hard Sam to say in point 1 that you agree with others we are not playing as a team, yet you surmise we are playing well. As most mentioned by others, no one really stepped up last night save Paston, Brockies goal. I don't think we are playing well at all but thats another story. Rickis teams have generally been scrappers so unless we are having a stinker, we will always be there or thereabouts. Sigmund and his story complete typify that. Not a talented footballer (he is downright scary on the ball) but will scrap till the end.

Stein looks like a class footballer but this could simply be a case of the square peg and the round hole. Whether its the style of play and/or tactics or a coach that does not know how to use him properly I do not know. He also could be holding over from his ankle injury too ala Ifill. Its tough to know but its hard to listen to Ricki say he is a big part, when he is not getting used. It definitely points to an issue of recruitment and as I mentioned,  of our 5 imports, 1 is injured, 1 is an impact, 2 gets bit part minutes so we are only getting maximum value from 1 of them. That points squarely back at recruitment. Subjectively, how many of our imports would be guaranteed to start in at least 3 other A League sides...

I agree re Bertos and most of your other points. Refereeing. Its almost like the FFA have decided that since we are the black sheep of the league, we get the rookies. We have had more than our fair share this year. I count 5 now (Shaun Evans, the guy last night, Adam Kersey, Lucien Laverdure, 1 other and the 'well performed' Matt Gillett) Thats almost half our games with guys or not pedigree or experience. The club really needs to get onto that and demand a little bit of respect.

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about 13 years ago

tonya wrote:

bladenix wrote:

 the road trip to brisbane was always going to be a tough ask. On current form i'l take a top 6 finish

 I feel we are not to far off being a very dangerous team. Just need some smarter midfield options 


Exactly. An injection of one quality midfield player would make such a difference. Yes it would be good to have Hogg to put pressure on Lochhead, and yes Herbert hasn't worked out how to use Stein. But this campaign will fall off the tracks if they don't find a solution in the window, or from within in midfield. The A League's left Lia way behind, and Muscat is struggling because of it. 

This

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Whoops pressed quote rather than edit.

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about 13 years ago

tonya wrote:

bladenix wrote:

 the road trip to brisbane was always going to be a tough ask. On current form i'l take a top 6 finish

 I feel we are not to far off being a very dangerous team. Just need some smarter midfield options 


Exactly. An injection of one quality midfield player would make such a difference. Yes it would be good to have Hogg to put pressure on Lochhead, and yes Herbert hasn't worked out how to use Stein. But this campaign will fall off the tracks if they don't find a solution in the window, or from within in midfield. The A League's left Lia way behind, and Muscat is struggling because of it. 

 

 

maybe ricki can get tim brown out of retirement

rojas, so special

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about 13 years ago

Amusingly most of those saying the A-League has left Vinnie behind and who have made Lochhead designated scapegoat are the ones who slagged Brownie when he's a player both the AWs and Phoenix could use right now.

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about 13 years ago

Brown's only what 31..He retired so he could do his masters Degree.. Couldn't we get him to transfer his degree to Wellington uni

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about 13 years ago

Since I seem to sit in parts of that camp

Brown - I think Brown brings a higher work rate than Lia and have always been a fan of Brownie. If nothing else (and a nod to El Grap) his timing into the box was significantly better than our front guys being used right now, a fact I mentioned last week?

Lochhead - I think people have forgotten what it was like 2-3 years ago when he was out injured for 6 weeks. The difference was obvious and most recently, Rowe shows that when he got is shot. However, it would be nice to see him get some competition for his position. Some people do perform better with competition. Has Lochhead really had much in the last 5 years (Tsatts?) In some respects, because Durante and Sigmund are not the fastest horses, a bit of pace from the wide backs may help against faster teams.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

bladenix wrote:

Looks like Lia willgget another chance against the victory with Herbert saying Smith possibly has a broken cheekbone along with bertos.

Oh Wow. I would have thought if anything, Bertos would have been struggling. The knock Smith took at the end did not look flush.
So potentially next week we are sans Boyd, Manny, Smith and Bertos. With Ifill also injured....
I would be surprised if the Victory do not steam roll us if the above comes to pass. Assuming worst case, you'd have Boxall to come in on the right, Lia to drop into the holding roll, Totori/Stein to play up front and need another midfielder unless we look at a formation change. Lindsay might get a trot after all.


What about moving Manny into RB instead of dropping him completely. Would be very cheeky from Ricki but might give Manny a kick up the proverbial, although there is that supposed "Must play midfield" contract agreement.
EDIT: Just remember Manny will probably get in trouble for elbows...
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about 13 years ago

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.

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about 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.



I agree there AJ13
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about 13 years ago


Glass Cheek?

A fan is a fan.

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about 13 years ago

Can't see anything being done to make the nix win at the Tard Dome. 


What we got is what we got.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Since I was barreled for my negative view on our last performance I did say I would write about the positives from this one.

The positives as I see it

Paston: Many think he is a spent force. Realistically, if it was not for his keeping tonight, it could well have been 6 or 7. Would others have made the same saves? Tough to know.

Leo has made a really good fist of RB. Interesting hearing Mulvey say after the game they targeted him but I think if any coach had any brains, they would come down the other flank. -1 for intelligence there Mike.

Shots on goal actually work. As Brockie has shown, trying to walk it in does not work. We need shots on goal. Even if you use the concept of law of averages, you have a better chance of scoring if you shoot and put the bloody thing on target. The standard of keeping in the A League is certainly not that flash so pump them under pressure and see what you get from it.

Manny will be getting a rest. He needed one anyway for being out of form and Ricki was not going to drop him so...


Thats about it.


nice. i'd list some negatives but im sure everyone else has them pretty much covered.
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about 13 years ago

BenBerg2013 wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.



I agree there AJ13
. Have you watched any Nix A games?

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AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.

Disagree. Boxall is a CB. He would have known walking into this exactly who was in front of him and the lay out of the landscape.(remember he was a later signing). He may well have backed himself to crack it and has not. The only person he should be annoyed at (and thats assuming he is) is himself for signing into this situtation if he is unhappy about it or for not improving to crack the rotation. Either way, he has an agent and would have well done due diligence on the squad before signing. I would think any player would.

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about 13 years ago

Just found free Internet after telecom data roam fail. Leo looked to be taken out by a purpose full shoulder not head clash from where I was sitting.  Our vision to find the open player was very limited. Totori spent a lot of time with no player within 30 m of him and we played the ball into trouble?

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.

Disagree. Boxall is a CB.
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.
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about 13 years ago

There is little point in being negative....we just keep rehashing the same old points. What did disappoint me though was that we reverted to hoof ball(39 aerial balls in the second half and Paston longballing 95%) We had been making such good progress in the last few games trying to keep the ball on the deck and moving it through the youngsters. I guess deep down Ricki is that type of coach and maybe the "total football" lark was just to keep the owners quiet for a couple of weeks.

Bertos has been fabulous at RB. I can't praise him enough for the work he has put in converting to that position. Not easy switching positions late in your career so its  a testament to his character that he's made such a good go of it. He's probably got the mother of all headaches at the moment.....get well soon Leo, we need you against the Victory.

Anyone got an update on his head injury or Smiths injury?


Paston and Brockie were great too....who would have thought Brockie would be in the running for A-League Golden boot.

Looks like we could have Totori and Lia at RW and RB against Victory......these two defending wide against Rojas/Thompson...this could get very messy. Lia to get red carded after 20 minutes for cutting Rojas in half!


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about 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.

Disagree. Boxall is a CB.
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.

Well a right footed centre back would be no use at left back.

Three for me, and two for them.

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AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.

Disagree. Boxall is a CB.
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.
My point then still stands (and you conveniently left the rest out). He should be annoyed at himself for not cracking it against (as you said) a 'winger with zero experience in any defensive position'. Kinda sums up why he is not playing perhaps if the 'winger with zero experience in any defensive position' can keep him out of the starting line up... I would also add to this, with Sigmunds experience at RB (and thats scarier still) why has Sigmund not been shifted over to accomdate Boxall if he is that good?

Lets also not ignore the fact that as it stands today, I would put my left nut on the fans voting Leo as our player of the season to date.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Lets also not ignore the fact that as it stands today, I would put my left nut on the fans voting Leo as our player of the season to date.


Would have to be Brockie wouldn't it?

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Can't be bothered reading through the whole thread, so don't know if anyone's brought this up, but one think that was noticeable last night was how horrible the first touch of some of our players is (especially thinking here of Manny and Lia, although there were others). I know the pitch wasn't supposed to be great, but it was clear that some players were able to adjust to that.

But the point is that it's virtually impossible to transition the ball through midfield if it takes your CMs 2 seconds to just get the ball under control, before they can even start thinking where the ball's supposed to go next. In that time even in the A-league they have people on their arse, and all the passing lanes are closed off. Which means that we either end up losing the possession with alarming regularity and in dangerous areas (virtually all of the Roar chances in the first 20 came because of this), or we just end up going backwards and hoofing it 60m down the field straight to the opposition.

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This. ^

Our midfield is a train wreck.

austin10 wrote:
....who would have thought Brockie would be in the running for A-League Golden boot.


Anyone who watched him finish 4th in the Golden Boot race last season?

Also, as Lindsay was going to be preferred at Right Back over Vinnie against Heart (yes I know, circumstances) until he got the lurg I reckon he's probably a good chance, particularly if Manny is wiped out as we'll need Lia in the middle.

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about 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.

Well a right footed centre back would be no use at left back.
This is professional football mate, not 6th grade.
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about 13 years ago

Yes.  Clearly the answer to the fact that Leo is making a very good fist of Right back is to play a wrong-footed Centre-back there.

Insightful.

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about 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.

Well a right footed centre back would be no use at left back.
This is professional football mate, not 6th grade.

So if having a left footed player at left back isn't important why have we persisted with Lochhead there for so long?

Probably because it is quite important.

Three for me, and two for them.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

All i can say is that I will be hugely disappointed if im seeing both Lochhead and Bertos in the back line next season. Id like to see the club look seriously at this right back issue for once. Id imagine Boxall to be pretty annoyed at the moment, I would be.

Disagree. Boxall is a CB.
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.
My point then still stands (and you conveniently left the rest out). He should be annoyed at himself for not cracking it against (as you said) a 'winger with zero experience in any defensive position'. Kinda sums up why he is not playing perhaps if the 'winger with zero experience in any defensive position' can keep him out of the starting line up... I would also add to this, with Sigmunds experience at RB (and thats scarier still) why has Sigmund not been shifted over to accomdate Boxall if he is that good?

Lets also not ignore the fact that as it stands today, I would put my left nut on the fans voting Leo as our player of the season to date.
I left the rest out because i didnt disagree with it. For all we know Boxall could "cracking it", but for whatever reason Ricki could just be doing what he does best - simply ignoring players (like he did with Kosta and Rojas - yeah i went there) while staying with those he knows.
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Buffon II wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Oh ok, so a CB is no good for RB, so instead we bring in a winger with zero experience in any defensive position? Strong logic. IMO a centre back should be able to play anywhere along the back line.

Well a right footed centre back would be no use at left back.
This is professional football mate, not 6th grade.

So if having a left footed player at left back isn't important why have we persisted with Lochhead there for so long?

Probably because it is quite important.
Oh shit i dunno, probably the same reason they havent been bothered looking for a right back? And for the reason i mentioned above, Ricki has a history of sticking with players we've always had instead of giving the younger guys a goe. We're only just seeing this change this season with Boyd and Fenton.

Right footed players play on the left all the time all round the world in any league you will find and have done since the dawn of time. End of.
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