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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.

Quite sure that is is actually.
Not that I agree with that being a reason to not drop a guy, especially when you're talking about past seasons. You do have to look at it in the present. 
A left back is hardly our highest priority right now, so I ultimately don't agree with you. But any addition that can improve on or push a current starting player is generally a good one, so would be happy if we picked up Hogg.


Agree to disagree, but I do agree competition for RB and any position is a positive move for the club.
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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

That line up would have more holes than Swiss cheese. Agree with you Tegal.



You guys are classic. You put words into people's mouths just to keep the forum ticking over.

If Manny at RB is too wild an idea for ya, then that's fine. It's just an option that hadn't been noted.

I'd go for a 4-4-2 with Brockie and Steiny up front, diamond in the middle with sanchez at the top, manny at the bottom, Boyd and Fenton either side. Leave the back four as they are - except for Lochy - take anyone off the street and give us entertainment there - anything but the painful frustration lochy creates for me right now. Lia and smith are decent midfield and forward subs.

I get the team doing a weeks worth of 1 touch football and I'd encourage them to shoot on sight. Was good to see a few more shots from outside the box against the roar.



I did no such thing, you said you wanted Manny at RB, that leaves a spot in midfield that smith would fill. You also wanted Lochy gone, leaving only Rowe to replace him really. 
it was quite fair of me to surmise that from what you said. 

Allegedly

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History


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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...


Except my fact was accurate and I avoided stupidity.
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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

That line up would have more holes than Swiss cheese. Agree with you Tegal.



You guys are classic. You put words into people's mouths just to keep the forum ticking over.

If Manny at RB is too wild an idea for ya, then that's fine. It's just an option that hadn't been noted.

I'd go for a 4-4-2 with Brockie and Steiny up front, diamond in the middle with sanchez at the top, manny at the bottom, Boyd and Fenton either side. Leave the back four as they are - except for Lochy - take anyone off the street and give us entertainment there - anything but the painful frustration lochy creates for me right now. Lia and smith are decent midfield and forward subs.

I get the team doing a weeks worth of 1 touch football and I'd encourage them to shoot on sight. Was good to see a few more shots from outside the box against the roar.




Boyd got a red card so is not playing
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about 13 years ago

NHpeter wrote:




My suggested formation is a general one. Not specifically for the next match. But good point. That first yellow for Boyd was soft tho wasn't it!


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about 13 years ago

 Was thinking it might be a general one. Yes I do believe it was soft. But that is A league refs for ya

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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...


Except my fact was accurate and I avoided stupidity.
My fact is accurate too. Like you, I pulled one out to suit my needs but also show how yours was equally silly.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...


Except my fact was accurate and I avoided stupidity.
My fact is accurate too. Like you, I pulled one out to suit my needs but also show how yours was equally silly.


Nap. Yours was stupidity to divert from the fact you'd been caught making stuff up to back up your defense of Lochy. Don't worry - I use the tactic with my missus when I'm desperate.
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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...


Except my fact was accurate and I avoided stupidity.
My fact is accurate too. Like you, I pulled one out to suit my needs but also show how yours was equally silly.


Nap. Yours was stupidity to divert from the fact you'd been caught making stuff up to back up your defense of Lochy. Don't worry - I use the tactic with my missus when I'm desperate.
Yeah. Me and 3 others made it all up. Say hi to your missus for me as well.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...


Except my fact was accurate and I avoided stupidity.
My fact is accurate too. Like you, I pulled one out to suit my needs but also show how yours was equally silly.


Nap. Yours was stupidity to divert from the fact you'd been caught making stuff up to back up your defense of Lochy. Don't worry - I use the tactic with my missus when I'm desperate.
Yeah. Me and 3 others made it all up. Say hi to your missus for me as well.
Facts are facts. When Lochy isn't playing - the Nix have delivered better results. Good thing about facts are that one eyed opinions are removed from the arguement.
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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

robman75 wrote:

robman75 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

robman75 wrote:

 It'd be interesting to see how the team performed without him there. They've done ok in the past. I just see him when he's having a season like he is as a liability. I recokon any opposition coach at the minute will mark our left side defense as a place to target.


Not remotely true. Our form when Lochhead has been out has been awful every time. 



That's not true.


Of the 4 games Lochy made no appearance last season - Phoenix won 3 and lost 1. I prefer that kind of result ratio than the one we have now.
Of the 14 games this season that Moss and McMaster have not played, we have only lost 6. I prefer that ratio so sack Mossy. He is awful


Geez - you call someone out on their facts being wrong and they resort to being stupid...
Well to be fair you started it...


Except my fact was accurate and I avoided stupidity.
My fact is accurate too. Like you, I pulled one out to suit my needs but also show how yours was equally silly.


Nap. Yours was stupidity to divert from the fact you'd been caught making stuff up to back up your defense of Lochy. Don't worry - I use the tactic with my missus when I'm desperate.
Yeah. Me and 3 others made it all up. Say hi to your missus for me as well.
Facts are facts. When Lochy isn't playing - the Nix have delivered better results. Good thing about facts are that one eyed opinions are removed from the arguement.

I have nothing to say. I just like quoting huge conversations when posts are all in a row anyway.

Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

The Manny back to fullback thing baffles me.  He's playing poorly so the solution is to remove Leo who is playing well to put an out of form Muscat in the role?

If that form issue isn't position related (and it probably isn't) then we weaken two spots to prove what exactly?


I agree, not much thought went into that idea methinks. I 'm reasonably happy with Lockhead's contribution too.


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about 13 years ago

robman75 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:
[/quote] Yeah. Me and 3 others made it all up. Say hi to your missus for me as well.
Facts are facts. When Lochy isn't playing - the Nix have delivered better results. Good thing about facts are that one eyed opinions are removed from the arguement.
When Moss has not played this year, We have only lost 6 of 14 games... No opinion in that at all.

Keep going, I can do this all day. The perks of being a retired semi-old cunt.
At some point, you will realise you pulled out a bullshit stat to support your argument that was founded in nothing subjective

(snipped short just for you Tegal)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

 Smart JV, but not relevant to the argument. I think Robman is ahead at present.

I'll be happy to see someone push Lochy for his spot, but he isnt the biggest concern at present

Havent gone back to the goals Bris got but from memory they came down the centre.


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hepatitis wrote:

 Smart JV, but not relevant to the argument. I think Robman is ahead at present.

I'll be happy to see someone push Lochy for his spot, but he isnt the biggest concern at present

Havent gone back to the goals Bris got but from memory they came down the centre.

I have no problem with investigating Lochhead and the replacement of him. I just also mention that when he has been out injured and I specifically referred the period, the amount of angst and 'Welcome back Lochhy' on his first game back was phenomenal but everyone seems to forget that every time because it is one of the hardest positions to fill on a football pitch (and yet we struggle with others ironically).

Is the Hogg signing a potentially good one? Yes. Will it solve our problems? No because Locchy is not the problem right now, its our dysfunctional midfield. So pulling out a random stat justifying Lochhead out is all good and well but is has no subjectivity at all - just like the one I threw out. Talk about throwing anyone into that position is all good but the noted history of filling that position on any team in any league is one of the reasons why 'insert this person here' is not a justifiable argument. Luke Rowe got a crack and he was not up to it and he is the next cab off the rank on the roster.

The goals down the centre are Tony's fault and Clapham would have saved them :o)

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

 Smart JV, but not relevant to the argument. I think Robman is ahead at present.

I'll be happy to see someone push Lochy for his spot, but he isnt the biggest concern at present

Havent gone back to the goals Bris got but from memory they came down the centre.




Some guy further back in the thread was foaming at the mouth because "all the meaningful attacks came down Lochhead's side", which is nonsense for a start, as the two most meaningful attacks both came through the middle. Even an underachieving Roar will put defences under heaps of pressure, and Lochy had a busy night, but overall I have no complaints.

That's not always been the case this season though. He has had a few very bad days unfortunately.
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about 13 years ago

Let's just celebrate bertos and Smith have been cleared to play. Not all doom and gloom against the victory 

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about 13 years ago


Smith to have a big game

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 13 years ago

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/260005,herbert-proud-despite-defeat.aspx

Doesn't half talk some shit.




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about 13 years ago


Smith to have a big game

Manny could be out for 3-4 games when the MRP has a look. Milligan for 2 weeks for a jab to the stomach, I would think elbows to the head would be given harsher punishment.

So we could be looking at Smith / Lia for a few weeks. It will be interesting how the combine, who will be the one to try and get forward?
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about 13 years ago

Jesus.Im not looking forward to BeArchie and Marco running at us on the break.Possession will be paramount for us.imo

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about 13 years ago


Smith to have a big game

Manny could be out for 3-4 games when the MRP has a look. Milligan for 2 weeks for a jab to the stomach, I would think elbows to the head would be given harsher punishment.

So we could be looking at Smith / Lia for a few weeks. It will be interesting how the combine, who will be the one to try and get forward?


Please let it not be Lia. There are lots of things I like about Vinnie but his shooting isn't one of them.
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about 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/260005,herbert-proud-despite-defeat.aspx

Doesn't half talk some shit.



this
So is it proud we hoof balled away possession, or proud we lost or proud we are now seventh on the Table?.
Maybe its best not to talk up your efforts until you start winning.
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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/260005,herbert-proud-despite-defeat.aspx

Doesn't half talk some shit.



this
So is it proud we hoof balled away possession, or proud we lost or proud we are now seventh on the Table?.
Maybe its best not to talk up your efforts until you start winning.

Perhaps its proud that he didn't say proud.

A fan is a fan.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Sunset Sam wrote:

Some thoughts on the game and the current state of play.

1. tpmyhill nailed it upthread when he said we are not playing as a team. Lots of effort and skill and determination from most players but we are not seeing combinations develop, especially the mid-field linking with the strikers. 
2. The Curse Of The Long Ball.  As others have noted this doesn't seem a particular effective tactic.
3. Bertos has been fantastic all season, great attitude and skill.
4. Haven't (yet?) seen much value from Waffles apart of his early goals. Would like to see Totori play for longer to see if he really has the goods.
5. Been really impressed with Fenton and to a lesser extent Boyd.  Plenty of skill, energy and desire but we need to remember they are both young and need time to really develop their potential.  
6. As others have noted Lia must have some incriminating stuff on Ricky
7. The quality of the referring in the A-League is at a same level as the quality of playing.  Variable, shall we say.

Actually I think we are playing well and are always there, or there abouts. We have proved we can come from behind, and we are playing better away from home. But there are some issues to be addressed for us to start getting the consistent results I think we are capable of.

I think its hard Sam to say in point 1 that you agree with others we are not playing as a team, yet you surmise we are playing well. As most mentioned by others, no one really stepped up last night save Paston, Brockies goal. I don't think we are playing well at all but thats another story. Rickis teams have generally been scrappers so unless we are having a stinker, we will always be there or thereabouts. Sigmund and his story complete typify that. Not a talented footballer (he is downright scary on the ball) but will scrap till the end.

Stein looks like a class footballer but this could simply be a case of the square peg and the round hole. Whether its the style of play and/or tactics or a coach that does not know how to use him properly I do not know. He also could be holding over from his ankle injury too ala Ifill. Its tough to know but its hard to listen to Ricki say he is a big part, when he is not getting used. It definitely points to an issue of recruitment and as I mentioned,  of our 5 imports, 1 is injured, 1 is an impact, 2 gets bit part minutes so we are only getting maximum value from 1 of them. That points squarely back at recruitment. Subjectively, how many of our imports would be guaranteed to start in at least 3 other A League sides...

I agree re Bertos and most of your other points. Refereeing. Its almost like the FFA have decided that since we are the black sheep of the league, we get the rookies. We have had more than our fair share this year. I count 5 now (Shaun Evans, the guy last night, Adam Kersey, Lucien Laverdure, 1 other and the 'well performed' Matt Gillett) Thats almost half our games with guys or not pedigree or experience. The club really needs to get onto that and demand a little bit of respect.

Jeff,  Thanks for your thoughtful response and apologies for not replying earlier - Christmas, New Year, the relies, etc, blah, blah. Good point about the apparent contradiction between my view that we aren't playing as a team, yet still playing well. What I was trying to say was that there are a lot of positives about the way we are playing both at the individual level, and attitude and desire. But I don't see, at least up front ad midfield, us playing for each other.  Brockie's goals, for example, are more individual than team, in my opinion. Of course you want your strikers to be selfish bastards I know, but I don't see enough of the innate understanding between players that great teams have.  I am want to stress the genuine positives of the team - hence 'we are playing well generally' - but I think we need something more to really challenge for the title. That comes down, in my very humble opinion, to that somewhat vague concept of 'teamwork'.   
For example, you are right to stress that Waffles may be a class player, but perhaps he needs an 'enabler' to bring out the best in him.  Without that he is, as you suggest, a square peg in a round hole.  This is, if you will excuse the rugby analogy, the Joe Rokococo effect - great player for the All Blacks, but generally shite for the Aucks.  Same player, same skills, but somehow the All Black environment brought out the best in him. ( I'm sure there are similar cases in football too.)    My point is - are we getting the best out of our players with genuine quality?  I am not convinced we are.

Hey you bastards I'm still here.

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about 13 years ago


Smith to have a big game

Manny could be out for 3-4 games when the MRP has a look. Milligan for 2 weeks for a jab to the stomach, I would think elbows to the head would be given harsher punishment.

So we could be looking at Smith / Lia for a few weeks. It will be interesting how the combine, who will be the one to try and get forward?

both are violent conduct, so should get the same penalty

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