Warning

Warning

A word of warning with respect to support for the club. When results dont go our way NZ sports fans have an awful habit of losing interest. The Kingz and Knights suffered from a host of problems behind the scenes but we didnt support the team the way it should have been and that fickle support helped with the demise of both sides.

Wellingtons start has been fantastic and also considering the backing and setup of the new owners it is clearly a number of steps ahead of where the Auckland franchises were.

However a slight indicator of what I am talking about can already be seen here on this website in the numbers of those who have voted for the MOM polls. The first game had about 350 votes, the last match less than 100 so far.

Sure the first game was always going to bring about huge interest and its possibly not a fair comparison but is it any coincidence that we see a lack of interest after a loss, that typical Kiwi sports supporters trait showing itself.

When things are going badly its fan support that can lift a team that extra couple of notches to succeed.

relax

and when you've relaxed, consider the confounding variable that you have failed to take into consideration

Agreed with tigers

Chill

Another variable to consider...

We will just get behind the team and help them lift their performance rather than walk away.

hey i support west ham, the phoenix, wellington rfu, the hurricanes etc. im use to the dissapointment! maybe a small consolation is hopefully the all blacks can bring home the world cup!! 

I think you'll find it's spelt Blockhead.

Surely any publicity is good publicity! 
P.S. I think you had the caps lock on by mistake when you wrote that last line

Oh definately I agree any publicity is good publicity. Im just saying that because 15 year old white G-Unit experimentel drug takers are clicking on a link to a phoenix bebo page (most are clicking on it because they think it is a cheap alternative to E).  Dosent necassarily mean that the phoenix will by any means fill up a stadium.

football forums are no way to judge the fans loyalty

Hey Stack - no worries mate - its all good

The forum is one place where people talk about Phoenix stuff, but there is plenty of other talk going on around town. Lots of us move in different circles around town and I think we're all hearing much the same things. From what I've seen and heard the feedback and support is great and people I never would have expected to be interested actually are talking about it and planning on going to the games.

The club and YF set-up is the most professional and keen I've seen in any NZ professional sport. James Dean is right that its a completely different set-up to anything before, and Wellington is sure the best place for that to happen...we do have a way of getting in behind things.

As long as everyone stays pretty positive I can't see why this can't be the biggest boost for football in NZ since the 1982 World Cup. Its been a really good start so far.

IMHO the difference between the Phoenix and the Kingz/Knights was evident right from the start. For seven years I kept waiting for the Kingz and Knights to turn their sh*t around. Every pre-season I would get my hopes up, but then the usual bad signs would kick-in (last team to sign any players, announcements behind schedule, websites not updated, Players and managers deserting their contracts etc etc.) The Phoenix have done better on almost every count - that's why I'm optimistic.                                                              

Jesus h Christ....

Well I have seen it all happen before and with respect to my experience I had substantial experience with the whole Kingz and Knights fiasco's. Ask Hardnews.
The warning was nothing more than another way to try and keep everyones enthusiasm going and to provoke some thought.

Quite frankly I have said to plenty of people, and you can ask a few others around the traps I have no doubt you guys in Wellington wont make make the same mistakes we made up here in Auckland, you have an all round better setup, backing, team and coach than was up here. You also have the advantage of a city that will without doubt care about this team. I think Billy Harris recent column hit the nail right on the head. The Phoenix, Wellington and the fans down there will lift the profile of football in NZ again after the last couple of years worth of damage the Knights did.

We lost the team because we proved we didnt deserve it, thank god for Wellington.

Still I stand by my warning, when things dont go the Phoenix way the fickle nature of NZ sports fans will see a decline. The key thing of course is how the hard core react to keep the vibe going.

You always know you are talking to a blowhard noter when they start stuff like " As an administrator of this website..."

Stick your thin skinned snotty childish response up your bung.



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Ha... just looked back eight years ago:

I partly agree with stack - though I'd rather not get all doom and gloom at this point. I know a lot of people that are already disheartened by the 3-0 loss to CCM. These people were the same ones that were cautious to support another NZ football franchise and they were scared it would fail again. Very fickle. Though once the 'Nix gets well and truly into the Wellington psyche - it wont matter. We are used to fluctuating results with the hurricanes, the lions and pretty much every other Wellington sporting side.

Yeah wellington supporters are the most loyal in the country, it is for this reason i have hope for us. Yes I am a bit cautious that if we start losing, comparisons will be made with the knights and itll go downward, but i think as long as we can keep the atmosphere at games, people will keep coming back.

The crowd size will certainly be effected by the results but I don't believe it is doom and gloom even if they have a bad run. I think the number of hardcore supporters is much much greater than the kingz/kinghtz ever had and think we will get close to 10000 each game even if they are not the most succesful so long as it is evident they are giving their all. If they do have a successful run though I think they could realistically get upwards of 20000 to a lot of games. In some ways the performance of the kingz could help us as NZ has been starved of quality football.

Stack. I think you're also being a bit thin skinned, and are your last line is certainly childish, but that's beside the point. To respond to your post:

1. I only mentioned the administrator role to point out that I have access to the statistics. I think the fact that more and more people are visiting is a valid one�but that's just my view, take from that what you will.

2. I disagree that experiences with the Kingz and the Knights necessarily define the future of the Phoenix, and more importantly, the behaviour of Phoenix fans. Constant comparisons to the Kingz and the Knights are pointless as we are dealing with two entirely different population bases and groups of supporters.

3. If your "warning" was to promote discussion, you have it. People are going to disagree with you�that is the nature of a discussion.

Not sure what we are supposed to do with these warnings Aucklanders are giving us. Take out insurance or something?

I think the season ticket holders have shown their intentions. we are in it for the long haul, and being a toon supporter, I am used to rollercoaster rides.

hell, I even dreamt the other day that the nix win 4-3 on the weekend. now that would be nice

Unfortunately we have not yet reached a stage where we can shake off the inigma that is the Kingz/Knights. A win and a draw is hardly a reversal of form presented by our predecessors. but the signs are there that time will eliminate comparison. We have already done this in the administration and current support. The clubs did not suport the Auckland based teams from day one and Soccer NZ's support was not accepted, (or could not be accepted in an agreeable manner). We have learnt and several Aucklanders, are taking notice, but not all are waiting with a knife behind their backs.

Warning! Warning! Danger approaching!

sanday

that is quality made my Friday afternoon

Sanday top posting of the week LOLS.

ok this forum was started by "loyal fan(s)" - this (these) fan(s) are the only loyal ones we can pick from the whole 2700 odd

Turns out they are here:

http://yellowfever.co.nz/about.asp or click on the 'about YF' tab.

We're not Auckland any more...