What a team deserves

I've seen this commentary around a lot and I'm not sure I agree completely with it.

We deserved or we didn't deserve something. 

For example against Italy in the 2006 (nothing to see here) World Cup the Aussies went on about how they deserved something from that game as they had had more possession.

I saw some commentators talking about shots on target, but again I think this is also misleading- particularly given a lot of poor shooting and Ernie's emphasis on quality chances, rather than winnning the balls in the box stat. 

Against Central Coast we only had 4 shots on target, but two goals. Against Newcastle 5 shots on target and 4 goals. 

And sure I remember the start to our season last year when we 'deserved' a lot more. We created a lot of chances, but missed sitters time and time again, and especially last year against the Central Coast when we defeated ourselves with an own goal, while missing a swag.

But in Adelaide where we'd lost 9 out of 12 and conceded 32 goals doings so, going into the last minute with parity is a colossal achievement and I think it is particularly mean spirited to say that we deserved to lose anyway. I feel gutted, but I don't particularly feel defeated, particularly with the way that Gombau and his team went off like pork chops on winning as if it was a GF and the barrage of marginal free kicks in the final minutes. They might have 'deserved' the win according to the statisticians and tacticians, but it was a 45 second margin of victory.

Haven't really stated this very well, but anyone else feel this commentary of what a team deserves misses the point of football a bit?

They held on this possession all the way till 2006, so clearly they deserved something...

What football should teach us is that the result is not always reflective of the game or what either team deserved.  This is life and if we don't accept it and move on we will be forever bitter.

We have also learned that Delovski is a major f*cktard.

I never get this deserved concept in sport. A lot of times a team is said to be deserving of a win because they create more chances. Well you  don't deserve to win if you don't finish those chances. There is no such thing as "deserve" in any sport. The team who deserves to win is the team who wins because the team who wins has achieved the aim of the sport. In football the aim is to score more goals that the opposition. The only way I can see that a team can lose and deserve to win is if the referee has an undue influence on the result. Otherwise in football the right team always win.

Besides the football season is long.

I guess, even with the ref or any other factors, I was trying to say it is very hard to statistically prove that one side 'deserved' something given the different tactics teams use. 

I guess it's a feeling of how the game is going, but even then there are many things on either side that could have altered the nature of the competition.

For example I was calling for a red for the studs up into Siggie's ankle. And straight reds for challenges like that aren't something we see a lot in the A-league, but do in the EPL or other higher leagues. Did the guy 'deserve' to go off? Maybe. 

Measuring deserving by chances or possession is not a conclusive way to go, especially if a team is set up to play on the counter and has a tactic of not pulling the trigger from distance.

Jnr Jnr's team played one their best games last season and still lost 1-0.  Played the other team off the park and in the second half were pretty much camped in the opponent's half except for a few break outs which were quickly snuffed out.

Some unlucky shots missing the goal, a great save by their keeper, chances not taken.

They definitely deserved to win the game... but they didn't.

They evened it up the following week when they won 2-1 despite being under the kosh for all of the 2nd half and a fair chunk of the 1st.

It's all swings and roundabouts...

I'm just dreaming of a run of the Phoenix team being so damn good that we don't have a negative goal difference at Hindmarsh or against the Victory in Melbourne. 

Those would be some good years. If Roly stays with us for another 4-5 seasons and we get a couple of good finishers...Or Rodriguez develops well...Or Boyd, Rufer and Ridenton become super freaking awesome, remembering as someone posted that Smeltz didn't light up the NSL in his early years.

I get what you are saying Martin but it's all subjective to a point of view. For example, most Phoenix fans will say we were worthy of a point. Adelaide fans will tell you they deserved the 3 and the goal was a matter of time. Without anything quantifiable or substantive that directly translates to what is 'deserving' it will always be based on the unscientific 'opinion' 

And that's why I love football, cause I am always right and everyone else is wrong :o)

We all deserve to be loved and have access to clean drinking water. Even Lia.*

* that's a joke. 

The concept of "deserved" is no more or less relevant in football than it is in life.

For instance, I deserve to be king of this forum, but I'm not, so I just have to deal with it.

Which I do.

Mostly.

I think of you as the Fresh Prince of this forum.

I deserve to be a billionaire but for some reason I am not.

I deserve to be a member of a better group of fans.

http://www.aucklandcityfc.com/forum/default.asp

You can't always get what you want.... you can't always get what you want...

But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need

Even the Stones didn't write about getting what you deserve!

Well, our team deserved to win because we are one-eyed Nix supporters, and not some objective, detached Leopold analysts, let alone Reds United members, or "Srebre Delovski for Prime Minister" club members.

'Big Star' to the rescue!

I'd probably choose a different word than "deserve", perhaps "expect".

As in, "We executed our game plan well and almost negated the opposition's, but the result wasn't what would be expected if such a match was played many times".

There are many things that are outside a team's or individual's compete control or ability to accurately predict. For instance, some refereeing decisions, or an unexpected gust in a wind-swirling stadium. Add-in potential for some of these to be chaotic (ie sensitive dependence on initial conditions). It is possible to make the case that for teams playing to the same style and intensity against each other over many games, then the result could be expected to favour one team more than another (or for them to be expected to be equal ie draw).

It is but a tongue-slip away from turning "expect" into "deserve".

TL;DR luck exists.

You deserve a This! for this post.

Can that be applied to Scotland as in "we didn't expect to win and on balance we didn't deserve to either! "

Damn my dyslexia. 

Thought this thread was about what a team had severed. Mildly diappointed now 

*sad face*

surely you would have read it as "what a mate severed"?  Or even "thaw a mate severed"

Ym dyslexia si selective

Bill Cosby the new panda? : "Eats, roots, and leaves"?

This reminds me of the Tourette syndrome book: "Who the f*ck moved my c*nting cheese?! Knobhead."

In light of the latest "revelations" about Bill Cosby I thought there was more rootin' than shootin'

Shoots his load? Bamboo/plant shoots? Eat roots, shoots and leaves?

*ugh* explained my joke.

the encore says it all