What went wrong???

What went wrong???

watched the game at the phoenix lounge so i didnt exactly see all that was going on.
where do we need to improve ??

as Gordon Strachan once said when asked a similar question , "out there on that big green thing"

We just need to get ontop from the start, cleberson and a prety awful game, felipe had another spectacular and should be starting next week. We just need to get on top of them from the very start.

okey fair enough, perhaps  a better question.
should we be worried with this result??

defense. mainly the right.

Watched it in a pub with no commentary - loud music for the t*ssers ignoring the 'nix - whilst texting updates to my daughter (mother has no sky ) and exchanging opinions with my wife at home watching it.

mmm iv been wondering most of the match if it was bad marking or bad communication in the defence

One word:  Ferrente.

I think bad combination, thats why Ricki subbed Clebs, to have people who could communicate and who worked when they lost the ball.

ferrente can boot corner..... and thats about all
felipe knows where its at

tell that sod if even his previous lifes could not score: than stop bloody wasting shots(position) on keep on trying it (not a f* Gerrard, or Lampard not even  a Dardai)

Daniel should toughen up (as he will never win a free kick )

and hello on right back: wake up 20 min before game,  not 30 min into it.

in short

I thought Ferrente was the weakness in the first game and he took that even further tonight. Fact is, he's supposed to be the ball player but the fact is he can't pass the thing.

i wish football worked on fairness

Agree completely re: Ferrente. We really need to kickstart our offence, first half we had position and possesion but we weren't making scoring opportunities. That, and we need to establish dominance early in the game rather than trying to imitate our mascot and return from the dead. I believe this loss is for the best in that it'll wake up the lads to the fact that the match against Melbourne did have a bit of luck involved, and that we need to dominated the 90 instead of the last 45 and hope for a fairytale ending to the match.

in the cold light of day, its all good blaming individual players, but nobody is looking at the negative system being played. scousesteve2007-09-01 08:57:00

get well soon steve old - we need you

Same weaknesses I pointed out last week. Failure of a half decent Right Back. Either that spot needs to be filled up as the 23rd man or Plodder would do an awesome job. O'Dor and Old are no fullbacks. When attacking, noone bar Smeltz wanted to do anything further. Got to their penalty box and passed around outside it. No penetration - thank god for Felipe.

We didn't play much worse than last week, infact we played fairly similarly although we couldn't get a foot hold as early this week.

Being too harsh on Ferrante he has been poor no doubt but you can't blame this defeat on him, yes he ruined the play many times, wasted delivery of free kicks (very Christie-esque).

The defence was uncoordinated and we didn't play with any width. Cleberson was really poor no aggression like last week (2nd half) O'dor was left isolated or he pushed in too far (maybe natural CB instinct to mark central player) but neither Ferrante or Christie dropped back enough to give him help. I'm still not sure of their positions.

I've been shocked by our style of play in a good way and bad. Normally when I think Ricki Herbert (All Whites and Knights later part last) I think of solid defence sit deep and try and score of set pieces and breaks. Maybe he didn't/doesn't have the resources that he wants in those teams and has what he wants now. Phoenix try to play a completely different game.

I'm so depressed I've given up my second hobby of trolling a-league supporter websites and have placed myself into some sort of media 'blackout' to avoid any misery.  The pain!!!!!!!  Already, this game against the Jets has taken rather critical importance....

Negative play (too many long balls). Players bunched too close together and not providing outlets for each other in midfield. Passes played behind players instead of in front of them. An inability to cross the ball at a dangerous height.  Oh, and the crossbar was playing against us as well!

I watched the game at the Lounge last night and wasn't drunk enough to sing...there was just nothing on screen to inspire me until Felipe came on. 

It can only get better.  Time to bounce back.

From an outsider's view?

*O'Dor is no right-back. Christie is no midfielder. Let Old and Christie fight for the RB spot and if they still fail take it from there.
*Ferrante is not good enough. At all.
*I'd play Richard Johnson alongside Aloisi, a slightly more offensive option whilst still providing the shield that the CBs need, and give Felipe the RM role.
*Squad lacks quality. If Felipe comes in to the XI there isn't really a bench player that can provide spark. Brownlie is a handy bench CF, Brown a good midfielder to have there, but you want spark from the other bench player. You should crossing your fingers for George...

I don't think 3-0 was a fair reflection of the match itself. The goals we conceded were quite soft well the 1st was class but the 3rd was just awful defending at this level.

I agree that 3-0 isn't entirely fair.

They took their chances, and we hit the bar twice.

At least we are still creating chances.

Unfortunately, smeltz always seems to get the ball with his back to goal, and no-one is running off him looking for lay-offs for a shot.

this is an easy one.

Off to the local football this afternoon, my CCM mate will be wanting the beers I now owe him.

The midfield diamond is defensive, but realistically we ought to be more cautious away from home.

The right side of defence was clearly the biggest problem. As I understand it none of the choices for right-back would consider it their preferred position.

Ferrante had a poor game. He seems to think every pass he plays has to be a miracle ball, with the result that none of them are. He needs to start just playing the simple ball more often.

Lets not be too gloomy. If we can fix the right side of defence, and aim just inside the post, things will get a lot better.

I posted that Ferrante was crap after the warm up game at Masterton and everyone jumped down my throat. He is indeed crap at this level. Dont think we are gonna be seeing to much more of him thank goodness.

Some good constuctive comments here!

ozespri2007-09-02 12:18:11

CCM went from $10 Fri eve to $6 Sat morn on NSW-TabSport.

Andy barron anyone?

Sign a genuine right back of quality, start Felipe in the hole just behind Smeltzy and Brownlie, Tim Brown in for Ferrante. Lay the law down to Daniel to stay on his bloody feet!!! And definately bring in Richard Johnson. Drop Ferrante and Christie. Put Old at right back for now. Those are the changes i would make, but I'm not the coach!