If all the off contracted players were available to re-sign for next year, which would you take, and which would you leave?
Its tricky because we have had some sucessful players, but to be number 1, we gonna have to make some harsh calls. I've left out the likes of Lochhead, Marco, Toto, and Diego; as I think its obvious what peoples opinions would be, but I'm curious to see what else people think?
I'll start things off:
Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
Hearfield Yes
North No
Ward Yes
Theres some very debatable stuff, like if Daniel and DMac should be retained, and Ive started to come to grips with the idea we will have to drop some people to strengthen other areas.
So what you think?
Its tricky because we have had some sucessful players, but to be number 1, we gonna have to make some harsh calls. I've left out the likes of Lochhead, Marco, Toto, and Diego; as I think its obvious what peoples opinions would be, but I'm curious to see what else people think?
I'll start things off:
Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
Hearfield Yes
North No
Ward Yes
Theres some very debatable stuff, like if Daniel and DMac should be retained, and Ive started to come to grips with the idea we will have to drop some people to strengthen other areas.
So what you think?
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You really have to ask can you do better? I suspect North is on more than he is worth so you could look to let him go (even if he did want to stay) but if he was on a reasonable amount (less than Siggy) I would hang on to him. No idea about Crowther, only remember him playing a couple of games. Reserve keeper is a pretty crappy role, might be hard to get someone better at a reasonable price. Generally agree with the rest assuming Ward and Hearfield aren't priced too high.
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Macallister Yes
Crowther Maybe - depending if we can get a 2nd string/youth keeper for cheap.
Daniel Yes
Hearfield No - Should be looking for good right back.
North No - depending on salary
Ward Yes
aitkenmike2011-02-14 12:02:13
Crowther Maybe - depending if we can get a 2nd string/youth keeper for cheap.
Daniel Yes
Hearfield No - Should be looking for good right back.
North No - depending on salary
Ward Yes
aitkenmike2011-02-14 12:02:13
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Hearfield is going, so you can probably take him off your list.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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Crowther No
So what you think?
So what you think?
Can we sign Doloras then?
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Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel Yes
Hearfield Yes
North YES
Ward Yes
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Crowther No
Daniel Yes
Hearfield Yes
North YES
Ward Yes
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If Troy is going then good luck to him, but I would still take him simply for his versatility.
DMac makes a damn good case for himself. You'd be pretty harsh to not re-sign him. But we do need to aim high, and even though I think Daniel has something to offer us, we may need to start aiming higher.
However I would be fine if he re-signed but was rarely used. Almost a leadership role for the A side. But we could count on him to do a job when called upon
DMac makes a damn good case for himself. You'd be pretty harsh to not re-sign him. But we do need to aim high, and even though I think Daniel has something to offer us, we may need to start aiming higher.
However I would be fine if he re-signed but was rarely used. Almost a leadership role for the A side. But we could count on him to do a job when called upon
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Crowther No�So what you think?
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Can we sign Doloras then?
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Pretty sure he would polarize opinion..
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Macallister Yes. Has come into form and at the very worst would be decent depth.
Crowther No. It's clear Ricki doesn't trust him, as the moves for Reddy and Vukovic have proved. I want a keeper who can keep Paston on his toes - if not, then the backup position is nothing more than a season-long training stint, which we may as well use to benefit a young Kiwi keeper.
Daniel Yes, at the right price. I wouldn't start him but he's a good squad man. Throw in the off-field benefits and he's worth keeping.
Hearfield No - at least not as a fullback. I admire his passion from having talked to him, but I think we've given him enough time. He's been a make-do solution that's lasted longer than it should. We need to sign a proper RB and Hearfield needs to play as a midfielder - something I imagine he'd have trouble doing here.
North Yes, just to piss off Hard News. Otherwise no, he offers much less than Sigmund. Certainly not worth a marquee spot. We can spend his wages better IMO (not that I know his salary).
Crowther No. It's clear Ricki doesn't trust him, as the moves for Reddy and Vukovic have proved. I want a keeper who can keep Paston on his toes - if not, then the backup position is nothing more than a season-long training stint, which we may as well use to benefit a young Kiwi keeper.
Daniel Yes, at the right price. I wouldn't start him but he's a good squad man. Throw in the off-field benefits and he's worth keeping.
Hearfield No - at least not as a fullback. I admire his passion from having talked to him, but I think we've given him enough time. He's been a make-do solution that's lasted longer than it should. We need to sign a proper RB and Hearfield needs to play as a midfielder - something I imagine he'd have trouble doing here.
North Yes, just to piss off Hard News. Otherwise no, he offers much less than Sigmund. Certainly not worth a marquee spot. We can spend his wages better IMO (not that I know his salary).
Ward Abso-bloody-lutely.
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Agree with you about it all, although I think Troy is versatile enough to be a squad player.
However sounds like he is going, and i wish him luck, but its not gonna be easy for him to break into that CCM lineup. Especially as a midfielder
However sounds like he is going, and i wish him luck, but its not gonna be easy for him to break into that CCM lineup. Especially as a midfielder
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No, seriously, I'm interested in building the Nix W-League team, so Buffon II can go sit on the bench for the first team.
Oh, please do! That would mean you'd be wgtn-based and what with Wgtn women's football teams and all...
No disrespect to the young Buff, but we've already got an injury prone GK.
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Troy has been played completely out of position but has been man enough to carry on at RB. I hope he changes his mind and stays. He's a good guy. play him in midfield, he's got a great shot on him when he gets the rare chance at RB. Got an engine that runs for most of the game.
Keep Daniel but you expect that from me. I think he has experience and good footballing habits to offer players like young Marco.
I'd keep Nick Ward too! A settled season behind him, I think he could be a real asset.
"Eee AAwwwww" took his goal very well yesterday. And well done to him. He's come on very well this season. He still looks uncordinated, has a wide turning circle etc, but I do love his enthusiasm. He makes it fun and looks like he is having fun. Good on him. The Name "Eee AAwwww" stays with him - in a respectful way. Plenty of goals to come. He and Pavman could end up like Toshack and Keegan if given the right coaching.
I have wondered why we play two center forwards and not a striker and a center forward. I think Greenie and Eee AAwwwww play too similar and run the same lines. can be fixed of course and I am glad both are at our club.
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Troy has been played completely out of position but has been man enough to carry on at RB. I hope he changes his mind and stays. He's a good guy. play him in midfield, he's got a great shot on him when he gets the rare chance at RB. Got an engine that runs for most of the game.
Keep Daniel but you expect that from me. I think he has experience and good footballing habits to offer players like young Marco.
I'd keep Nick Ward too! A settled season behind him, I think he could be a real asset.
"Eee AAwwwww" took his goal very well yesterday. And well done to him. He's come on very well this season. He still looks uncordinated, has a wide turning circle etc, but I do love his enthusiasm. He makes it fun and looks like he is having fun. Good on him. The Name "Eee AAwwww" stays with him - in a respectful way. Plenty of goals to come. He and Pavman could end up like Toshack and Keegan if given the right coaching.
I have wondered why we play two center forwards and not a striker and a center forward. I think Greenie and Eee AAwwwww play too similar and run the same lines. can be fixed of course and I am glad both are at our club.
Would that be instead of Marco or Ifill?
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They're all fairly decent reserves. Crowther is what, 22? Not very old for a keeper so give him some time.20 legend2011-02-14 19:20:59
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Maybe for all of them depending on what they are paid and the jigsaw fits together budget and salary cap wise.
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Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
Hearfield Yes
North Yes - Though depends on salary and if anybody like McKain is coming along.
Ward Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
Hearfield Yes
North Yes - Though depends on salary and if anybody like McKain is coming along.
Ward Yes
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Troy has been played completely out of position but has been man enough to carry on at RB. I hope he changes his mind and stays. He's a good guy. play him in midfield, he's got a great shot on him when he gets the rare chance at RB. Got an engine that runs for most of the game.
Keep Daniel but you expect that from me. I think he has experience and good footballing habits to offer players like young Marco.
I'd keep Nick Ward too! A settled season behind him, I think he could be a real asset.
"Eee AAwwwww" took his goal very well yesterday. And well done to him. He's come on very well this season. He still looks uncordinated, has a wide turning circle etc, but I do love his enthusiasm. He makes it fun and looks like he is having fun. Good on him. The Name "Eee AAwwww" stays with him - in a respectful way. Plenty of goals to come. He and Pavman could end up like Toshack and Keegan if given the right coaching.
I have wondered why we play two center forwards and not a striker and a center forward. I think Greenie and Eee AAwwwww play too similar and run the same lines. can be fixed of course and I am glad both are at our club.
Would that be instead of Marco or Ifill?
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anyone whoi can swim next to Freyberg pool in the sea and look like they are enjoying it...soft.
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Troy has been played completely out of position but has been man enough to carry on at RB. I hope he changes his mind and stays. He's a good guy. play him in midfield, he's got a great shot on him when he gets the rare chance at RB. Got an engine that runs for most of the game.
Keep Daniel but you expect that from me. I think he has experience and good footballing habits to offer players like young Marco.
I'd keep Nick Ward too! A settled season behind him, I think he could be a real asset.
"Eee AAwwwww" took his goal very well yesterday. And well done to him. He's come on very well this season. He still looks uncordinated, has a wide turning circle etc, but I do love his enthusiasm. He makes it fun and looks like he is having fun. Good on him. The Name "Eee AAwwww" stays with him - in a respectful way. Plenty of goals to come. He and Pavman could end up like Toshack and Keegan if given the right coaching.
I have wondered why we play two center forwards and not a striker and a center forward. I think Greenie and Eee AAwwwww play too similar and run the same lines. can be fixed of course and I am glad both are at our club.
Would that be instead of Marco or Ifill?
Wow. Really?
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If all the off contracted players were available to re-sign for next year, which would you take, and which would you leave?
Its tricky because we have had some sucessful players, but to be number 1, we gonna have to make some harsh calls. I've left out the likes of Lochhead, Marco, Toto, and Diego; as I think its obvious what peoples opinions would be, but I'm curious to see what else people think?
I'll start things off:
Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
Hearfield Yes
North No
Ward Yes
Theres some very debatable stuff, like if Daniel and DMac should be retained, and Ive started to come to grips with the idea we will have to drop some people to strengthen other areas.
So what you think?
I'd take all of them, providing none are on wages higher than the likes of Lochhead and Lia.Its tricky because we have had some sucessful players, but to be number 1, we gonna have to make some harsh calls. I've left out the likes of Lochhead, Marco, Toto, and Diego; as I think its obvious what peoples opinions would be, but I'm curious to see what else people think?
I'll start things off:
Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
Hearfield Yes
North No
Ward Yes
Theres some very debatable stuff, like if Daniel and DMac should be retained, and Ive started to come to grips with the idea we will have to drop some people to strengthen other areas.
So what you think?
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And what about Musa?
Certainly keep him, unless you know of a better Kiwi youth defender?
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Would any top A-League side play Hearfield week in and week out? If no, then why should we?
I still dont even know if i like Lia, because im unsure im going to say no. And no to Diego as well. And Toto.
I still dont even know if i like Lia, because im unsure im going to say no. And no to Diego as well. And Toto.
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I bet that if we let Musa go, next thing you know he'll be a superstar for RAdelaide or someone next year. Just our luck.
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Being a hard nosed football manager:
Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
North Yes
Crowther No
Daniel No
North Yes
Ward Yes
Being a bit of a soft cock:
Macallister Yes
Crowther No
Daniel Yes
Crowther No
Daniel Yes
North No
Ward Yes
Ward Yes
Just don't rate Crowther at all, he barely coped [let in 3] against HBU and ever NZFC keeper and some reserves would be just a stalented IMO.
Haven't been impressed [like very unimpressed] on a couple of occassions with North, but if he could be more consistently good, would want to keep him.
Daniel is someone that everyone seems to like even when we can see he is not quite up to the mark at this level any more. What is it that he does off the field that makes him so useful?
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Daniel is someone that everyone seems to like even when we can see he is not quite up to the mark at this level any more. What is it that he does off the field that makes him so useful?
Having someone to lighten the mood can be important when things are going badly, or the pressure is on. I suspect Daniel is that guy for the Phoenix.
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Reece Crowther is still very young, but why not have a back up kiwi keeper. It's not like he's ever going to get game-time. Jacob Spoonley please.
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Reece Crowther is still very young, but why not have a back up kiwi keeper. It's not like he's ever going to get game-time. Jacob Spoonley please.
Agree with you.
But then you spell out your own argument by saying that they will never get game time. not ideal.
But this will most probably be Paston's last season, so signing someone on a 2 year contract with this knowledge means they have a year to learn, then the following year will be forced to challenge for the starting spot
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I was thinking this morning...
Paston
Crowther/New Keeper
Durante
Sigmund
Musa
North/New Defensive Cover
Lochhead
New Right Back (I'd re-sign Troy if he turns out available(Unlikely))
Muscat
Lia
Brown
Playmaker
Ward
Rojas
Bertos
Daniel
Ifill
Greenacre
Pavlovic
Macallister
Striker
Which gives a squad of 21 with cover in ever position. Three very key new signings are a RB, a #10 midfielder and a striker capable of playing on his own. I think Macalister can do that OK, but a Smeltz/Van Dijk/Thompson quality striker is vital to moving forward. If Daniel or Ward end up going I don't think they'd need replacing, if they both went we'd need a new attacking midfielder IMO. If those three new signings are made I can't wait to see this:
Paston
Durante Sigmund
New RB Lochhead
Muscat Brown
Rojas New #10 Ifill
New Striker
I'm hoping the bench will be expanded to 5.
Crowther
Ward
Bertos
Macallister
Lia/Greenacre/NorthOska2011-02-15 19:43:31
Paston
Crowther/New Keeper
Durante
Sigmund
Musa
North/New Defensive Cover
Lochhead
New Right Back (I'd re-sign Troy if he turns out available(Unlikely))
Muscat
Lia
Brown
Playmaker
Ward
Rojas
Bertos
Daniel
Ifill
Greenacre
Pavlovic
Macallister
Striker
Which gives a squad of 21 with cover in ever position. Three very key new signings are a RB, a #10 midfielder and a striker capable of playing on his own. I think Macalister can do that OK, but a Smeltz/Van Dijk/Thompson quality striker is vital to moving forward. If Daniel or Ward end up going I don't think they'd need replacing, if they both went we'd need a new attacking midfielder IMO. If those three new signings are made I can't wait to see this:
Paston
Durante Sigmund
New RB Lochhead
Muscat Brown
Rojas New #10 Ifill
New Striker
I'm hoping the bench will be expanded to 5.
Crowther
Ward
Bertos
Macallister
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First season Daniel only.....not the current version
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I was thinking this morning...
Paston
Crowther/New Keeper
Durante
Sigmund
Musa
North/New Defensive Cover
Lochhead
New Right Back (I'd re-sign Troy if he turns out available(Unlikely))
Muscat
Lia
Brown
Playmaker
Ward
Rojas
Bertos
Daniel
Ifill
Greenacre
Pavlovic
Macallister
Striker
Which gives a squad of 21 with cover in ever position. Three very key new signings are a RB, a #10 midfielder and a striker capable of playing on his own. I think Macalister can do that OK, but a Smeltz/Van Dijk/Thompson quality striker is vital to moving forward. If Daniel or Ward end up going I don't think they'd need replacing, if they both went we'd need a new attacking midfielder IMO. If those three new signings are made I can't wait to see this:
Paston
Durante Sigmund
New RB Lochhead
Muscat Brown
Rojas New #10 Ifill
New Striker
I'm hoping the bench will be expanded to 5.
Crowther
Ward
Bertos
Macallister
Lia/Greenacre/North
Paston
Crowther/New Keeper
Durante
Sigmund
Musa
North/New Defensive Cover
Lochhead
New Right Back (I'd re-sign Troy if he turns out available(Unlikely))
Muscat
Lia
Brown
Playmaker
Ward
Rojas
Bertos
Daniel
Ifill
Greenacre
Pavlovic
Macallister
Striker
Which gives a squad of 21 with cover in ever position. Three very key new signings are a RB, a #10 midfielder and a striker capable of playing on his own. I think Macalister can do that OK, but a Smeltz/Van Dijk/Thompson quality striker is vital to moving forward. If Daniel or Ward end up going I don't think they'd need replacing, if they both went we'd need a new attacking midfielder IMO. If those three new signings are made I can't wait to see this:
Paston
Durante Sigmund
New RB Lochhead
Muscat Brown
Rojas New #10 Ifill
New Striker
I'm hoping the bench will be expanded to 5.
Crowther
Ward
Bertos
Macallister
Lia/Greenacre/North
Agree completely. For me, under Ricki, the future of the club will be playing this 433 / 451 formation.
Ricki wants overlapping fullbacks, and a middle three to bulk up the play and win the ball to distribut to wide positions.
My Issue that I have noticed of late, is that Brown has not been playing nearly as well lately in the more holding role.
In a middle three, hes best suited to the attacking late runs, but in a 442, he hasnt been getting into heading positions at all. For me, this is because he has been given less attacking duties, and I think Lia's passing game is actually now ahead of Timmys.
If we do manage to sign a Perez/Flores/Hernandez (slash any playmaker whose name ends in"es/ez"), then I'm not sure if Browny will be as effective. This leads me to the idea that perhaps an attacking number ten may not be our solution.
However, Ward has recently played this role to great sucess, although he does tend to lose the ball. So perhaps what we coud be seeking is a deep lying playmaker, Pirlo-esque perhaps. Would perhaps suit our team a bit more too, because whether we like it or not, we are going to be a team creating primarily from wide positions. So perhaps a deeper creator will be able to distribute quick sharp balls out to our flanks where our striker or timmy will be able to connect to?
Shane Smeltz would be nice now.
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The thought of a fit Ifill and Marco in the same team gives me a woody!
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Daniel is someone that everyone seems to like even when we can see he is not quite up to the mark at this level any more. What is it that he does off the field that makes him so useful?
Having someone to lighten the mood can be important when things are going badly, or the pressure is on. I suspect Daniel is that guy for the Phoenix.
I really dont see Daniel leaving anytime soon, for a few reasons. People love him, hes officially a kiwi, he openly loves NZ and wants to play for the AWs, and I think he will end up in a white jersey at some point, even if for only a couple of Oceania qualifying games/friendlies against lesser oppostion should they occur. He will be with the Nix up until, and after that happens.
I dont mind him, he has been effective off the bench and loyal to the Nix, and Ricki seems to return that loyalty. Hes also involved within the junior football community.
AJ132011-02-18 14:31:54
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