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Personally I am not ready to dismiss Retre. He is an experienced DM, played for Syd FC for years and is familiar with A-League setting. I expect his present "wooden" performance comes from lack of sufficient mutual understanding with his team mates, when there is a mix of old hands, youngsters and recently recruited non-English speakers around him. He joined us from India where the play style and conditions are very different. Fitness expectations may also be different in India. So I will cut him some slack and hope he will grow into his role fast. I admit I expected to him to step up to the DM role in Rufer's absence, but he looked a bit like a passenger in our last game. I thought it had something to do with the team setup by Italiano on the day.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Personally I am not ready to dismiss Retre. He is an experienced DM, played for Syd FC for years and is familiar with A-League setting. I expect his present "wooden" performance comes from lack of sufficient mutual understanding with his team mates, when there is a mix of old hands, youngsters and recently recruited non-English speakers around him. He joined us from India where the play style and conditions are very different. Fitness expectations may also be different in India. So I will cut him some slack and hope he will grow into his role fast. I admit I expected to him to step up to the DM role in Rufer's absence, but he looked a bit like a passenger in our last game. I thought it had something to do with the team setup by Italiano on the day.
I just think he's fine as the 'secondary' DM but he's never going to be th eman to run the show. He has never shown the ability to be consistent at any club he's been at.
So, Cheif over-estimated the ability of some of the players to cope with his plan! Finally an admission that his plan is way ambitious and difficult for the squad to adhere too.
Coach admits the players he has can't do it, so he's wondering what the fudge to do.
Nott Forest are 2nd playing a 541. It's about the players. And getting them playing better together. Hopefully he can lift what's left of the Nix squad and improve the chemistry.
Coach admits the players he has can't do it, so he's wondering what the fudge to do.
Nott Forest are 2nd playing a 541. It's about the players. And getting them playing better together. Hopefully he can lift what's left of the Nix squad and improve the chemistry.
it's also about identifying a style of play that fits your players.
Coach admits the players he has can't do it, so he's wondering what the fudge to do.
Nott Forest are 2nd playing a 541. It's about the players. And getting them playing better together. Hopefully he can lift what's left of the Nix squad and improve the chemistry.
Forest have a certain amount of tactical flexibility- sometimes 4 or 3- but it usually revolves around getting their creators on the ball. They often do what people hate on Chief for- cede possession. And they have a very good squad to choose from.
They’ve really benefited from FFP and picked up some excellent players such as Anderson, Hudson-Odoi , Moreno and Elanga from that route. They have two creative engines in Gibbs-White and Anderson and many others like Aina, Williams, Elanga etc who can pick up the slack if both were injured or unavailable. They’ve got Boly and Morata on the bench. They also have Yates who covers across the midfield.
Last year they lacked depth particularly in keeper, CB and CM. Nearly got relegated. This year they don’t have those gaps. They’re doing well because of squad depth and defense to win 1-0 with a parked bus in a lot of situations, particularly reverting to 5 at the back in the last 15 minutes.
Last year they attacked and lost 3-2 a lot.
Forest has no lack of personalities or of players taking responsibility all over the park.
To me that sounds like bollocks from Chief to cover for the fact that they aren’t going to spend any money.
We’ve got a half finished squad, and we’re going to ‘change style’ rather than get in any injury replacements or short term signings to bolster the attack.
Getting a team to play a certain way and creating a squad to do so takes time. Unfortunately we have to do so more regularly as it’s often difficult to hang on to imports etc. Doing so mid season means just gambling massively.
So we’re sacking Adam Griffiths? Get it in the mixer?
Anyway, that seems like a way of saying we’re not spending anymore money. Perhaps we should just kidnap a couple of AFC players who can’t make their bench and put a wig on them?
I can’t say I knew a lot about Retre and having watched all season I still don’t.
Hope Chiefy switches to 4-2-3-1 pretty standard line up a lot of football teams play. I'd line it up like this with the injuries we have currently. Payne over Sheridan if hes better but if hes not fully fit, hes not worth playing. I would ideally like to have Ball in the middle with Ishige on the left to have some more experience out there but I'm not sure if Ball will even be match fit right now.lineup (82).png127.89 KB
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I noticed another trend we haven’t mentioned. Saw it when I thought I’d check these statements about ages.
We don’t have guys in their supposed physical prime. That is say 22-29. I mean we have Sutton, Olu, OVH, Al-Taay and Piper. That’s it. One starting outfield player. For comparison Libby is 24. (Edit: left Rufer out! But prime example: he’s 28.)
We’re a 20 and below and a 30 and above team. Not quite sure what it means. Maybe nothing. But Kraev, Zawada, Old and Pennington were all squarely in that age group. It feels like it affects the balance. Not all over 30s are Kosta.
Coach admits the players he has can't do it, so he's wondering what the fudge to do.
Nott Forest are 2nd playing a 541. It's about the players. And getting them playing better together. Hopefully he can lift what's left of the Nix squad and improve the chemistry.
it's also about identifying a style of play that fits your players.
I guess what I am saying is you can set up a 541 and be successful. Obviously. We were last year. NF is.
But, implicit in what I was saying is that if you are a bit weak at DM, if your midfield generally struggles physically and is not the best at winning the one on one contests, if you have a kid (albeit a pretty promising one) playing at CB, then lose you best DM and have a lame wide midfielder, maybe weakening your defence to play more attractive football might be a recipe for disaster. Maybe the 541 is the style he thinks best fits what he has left. But is wondering what else he might do.
I'm inclined to think Chief is doing what he can to shore things up and hoping to hold at the back and pinch one on the counter. But at the moment he doesn't really have the players able to even do that. But maybe he can improve on that.
Just an opinion.
Edit: just to add, I'm good with the 4231, just concerned that that maybe collapses to a 451 if the players are struggling defensively. So Chief's comment on working with the players to get things as he wants, seems to me to be getting a 541 working more like a 4231, or 433 and transitioning and holding possession more effectively. I just think he's got his work cut out.
Coach admits the players he has can't do it, so he's wondering what the fudge to do.
Nott Forest are 2nd playing a 541. It's about the players. And getting them playing better together. Hopefully he can lift what's left of the Nix squad and improve the chemistry.
it's also about identifying a style of play that fits your players.
I guess what I am saying is you can set up a 541 and be successful. Obviously. We were last year. NF is.
But, implicit in what I was saying is that if you are a bit weak at DM, if your midfield generally struggles physically and is not the best at winning the one on one contests, if you have a kid (albeit a pretty promising one) playing at CB, then lose you best DM and have a lame wide midfielder, maybe weakening your defence to play more attractive football might be a recipe for disaster. Maybe the 541 is the style he thinks best fits what he has left. But is wondering what else he might do.
I'm inclined to think Chief is doing what he can to shore things up and hoping to hold at the back and pinch one on the counter. But at the moment he doesn't really have the players able to even do that. But maybe he can improve on that.
Just an opinion.
Edit: just to add, I'm good with the 4231, just concerned that that maybe collapses to a 451 if the players are struggling defensively. So Chief's comment on working with the players to get things as he wants, seems to me to be getting a 541 working more like a 4231, or 433 and transitioning and holding possession more effectively. I just think he's got his work cut out.
Nice Post. And I know that formation can be important. But in my view, currently it comes down to the midfield. You need: 1. Great ball control/First touch 2. Duel Winning 3. Great vision/passing 4. Stamina/KM's 5. Dribble ability (Ben Old) If you're not getting 2-5 then formation won't help much. Chiefy still has the defence pretty well organised, that's why we have 13 points. We'd be in the bottom 3 without that organisation.
Why has he been saying Vonchie is injured when he's 100% fit and has been for nearly 3 weeks... even Payne looked confused when asked about his injury and Chiefs comments around it.
Well I think after all the disagreement between us fans the main thing we all know is that something has to change. Whether that be signings, formation, team composition or tactics - something has to change. Honestly, if this downward trend continues much longer there have to be serious questions about what the hell has gone wrong with this season.
Can't say I'm particularly hopeful on the signings front. If it is true we're losing Wootton & OVH I can't imagine we'll get better into the club than those two. Who knows I guess.
The way the defense reacted against City and in particular Hughes back, suggested that the team has a resilient mentality.
But the players wanting to leave or being shown the door when we’re already low on numbers suggests discontent or poor management.
The other side is last year players were keen to come to us. Has anything changed on the reputation side of things with this little run, given we know the TV disbursement is down.
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martinb
Yeh confusing signals.
The way the defense reacted against City and in particular Hughes back, suggested that the team has a resilient mentality.
But the players wanting to leave or being shown the door when we’re already low on numbers suggests discontent or poor management.
The other side is last year players were keen to come to us. Has anything changed on the reputation side of things with this little run, given we know the TV disbursement is down.
Ehh, the two players rumoured to be leaving both have their contracts finishing at the end of this season so they'd be wary to wait on the nix to offer them a new deal as professional football is cut throat and sometimes you have to choose selfishly. So I don't think them wanting to leave is the Nix showing them the door or trying to get rid of them. OVH is on the outer so even if we were to other him a deal he'd probably want to go where hes actually playing. With Wootton, maybe after the Ball situation the Nix are waiting till the end of the season to see how they want to use visas next season with only him and Ball coming off contract. He's going to be 34 next season too so might be best to look for a younger visa in the CB role.
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martinb
Yeh confusing signals.
The way the defense reacted against City and in particular Hughes back, suggested that the team has a resilient mentality.
But the players wanting to leave or being shown the door when we’re already low on numbers suggests discontent or poor management.
The other side is last year players were keen to come to us. Has anything changed on the reputation side of things with this little run, given we know the TV disbursement is down.
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