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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yellow cards
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
These yellow card suspensions are definitely going to have an impact on the Phoenix (and other teams) this season.
 
We really missed Daniel on Friday and Dodd's yellow in that game puts him on three now along with Aloisi, so one more and they're out for a game too.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Daniel's cards get nixed with his suspension I presume?

So, he's good for to deliver a few goals, plenty of goal assists, victories, before he accumulates another four cards.

I'll take it.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I guess you go back to zip after a suspension.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does it work the same as with English football? I.e. the second time he reaches 4 yellows, is he suspended for two games - and when he reaches the 4 mark again (i.e. 12 for the season), suspended for 3 games?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sh*t I hope not!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
Does it work the same as with English football? I.e. the second time he reaches 4 yellows, is he suspended for two games - and when he reaches the 4 mark again (i.e. 12 for the season), suspended for 3 games?


I've always thought that suspension through accumulation of yellow cards (the number varies depending on the league) was one game only. Suspensions emanating from straight red cards can be longer, depending on the nature of the offence.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Checked the A-league web site, but can't find any info on suspensions, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of games missed goes up with each suspension.

 Daniel is staying on his feet more and hopefully his occasional enthusiastic actions won't be made a meal of by the refs, we certainly missed him on Friday.

I think Brown or Johnson can cover for Ross, and hopefully Clebo or Old can cover acceptably for Dodd

we certainly won't be the only ones with suspension problems as the season rolls on
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's key that none of the suspensions line up with AW games.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
true
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Newcastle Jets got 6 yellows dished out to them tonight!!!!

So it is a problem for other teams as well
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I guess you go back to zip after a suspension.


Nah, pretty sure the threshold reduces after your first suspenision, so maybe it's three before a second ?

I should know these things as an FM researcher.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
From the regulations PDF file held on the FFA site:
 
18.2 An A-League player who accumulates the following number of yellow cards during the games of the Competition, must serve the following mandatory match suspensions:
 
(a) four (4) yellow cards during the competition,  equates to a one (1) match suspension
(b) seven (7) yellow cards during the competition,  equates to a two (2) match suspension
(c) ten (10) yellow cards during the competition,  equates to a three (3) match suspension
 
So it is like English football but even more severe - the match count in England is 5 games but it goes up in increments of 5 (until you get to 20 when you get invited to go see the FA).
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Yeah I guess you go back to zip after a suspension.


Nah, pretty sure the threshold reduces after your first suspenision, so maybe it's three before a second ?

I should know these things as an FM researcher.
 
Hard News has it right. It is three more for a second suspension of two games. Then another three yellows gets you a three game suspension.
 
The only time yellow cards are cancelled is when a player gets two yellows in a game, which turns into a red, the crowd gives you the big 'who are ya?' and you sit the next game out on suspension (or two if it is your second red of the season, or three if it is your third).
 
The A-League rules are on the FFA website.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
LeeP wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Yeah I guess you go back to zip after a suspension.
Nah, pretty sure the threshold reduces after your first suspenision, so maybe it's three before a second ?I should know these things as an FM researcher.



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Hard News has it right. It is three more for a second suspension of two games. Then another three yellows gets you a three game suspension.

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The only time yellow cards are cancelled�is when a player gets two yellows in a game, which turns into a red, the crowd gives you the big 'who are ya?' and you sit the next game out on suspension�(or two if it is your second red of the season, or three if it is your third).

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You're misinterpreting the rule mate. The threshold changes after the first suspension, but players don't get suspended for more than one game after accumulating the next batch of yellows.
The wording on the A-league website is a bit ambiguous, but what they mean is this:
If you get 10 yellow cards in the season, you will have been suspended for 3 games - first one game suspension after the first 4 yellows, second one game suspension after the next 3, and third one game suspension after the next 3. So 10 yellow cards means 3 games missed through suspension, but not consecutively; it does not mean the players get suspended for 3 games after getting 10 yellows in a season.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You're misinterpreting the rule mate. The threshold changes after the first suspension, but players don't get suspended for more than one game after accumulating the next batch of yellows.
 
I don' think so. Lee's interpretation is as per mine and is consistent with other leagues. If your interpretation is correct, it does not make sense that they lay the wording out the same way for red cards i.e. 1st is one match, 2nd is two match, 3rd is three match and 4th is four match suspension.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
You're misinterpreting the rule mate. The threshold changes after the first suspension, but players don't get suspended for more than one game after accumulating the next batch of yellows.

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I don' think so. Lee's interpretation is as per mine and is consistent with other leagues. If your interpretation is correct, it does not make sense that they lay the wording out the same way for red cards i.e. 1st is one match, 2nd is two match, 3rd is three match and 4th is four match suspension.


I would interpret the red card wording in the same way, although red cards are a bit different since they can result in a multiple match suspension in cases of particularly violent conduct. I could be wrong though.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah there are listed in the regulations a set of additional punitive measures for particular offences such as violent conduct - as per our Griffiths thread!
 
However, the exact wording on red cards is:
 
18.4 An A-League player who accumulates the following number of red cards during the games of the Competition, must serve the following mandatory match suspensions:
 
(a) 1st occasion,  equates to a one (1) match suspension
(b) 2nd occasion,  equates to a two (2) match suspension
(c) 3rd occasion,  equates to a three (3) match suspension
(d) 4th occasion,  equates to a four (4) match suspension
 
Given this wording and the precise wording that I posted above on yellows, I'm certain both increment in severity - just as they do in England.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well, getting yellow cards might be much more dangerous than I first thought...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
From the FFA:
 

Lee,
 
Thanks for contacting Football Federation Australia.
 
We can confirm that after a the accumulation of seven (7) yellow cards (during the regular season) an automatic two (2) game suspension is handed down to a player. 
 
regards
 
Hyundai A-League
 
It looks like they take a hard line on accumulated yellows.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
every team has had a crap load of cards

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well, Ricki better drum it into all his players then that we dont want to see any wasteful yellows, such as holding on to the ball after a free kick is given or the ball has gone out, or needless dissent - just too much at stake, esp for Daniel and the playmakers
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Brian Clough used to fine any player who got booked for dissent, as he said it was totally avoidable. If a player was to get booked, he wanted it to be for something meaningful.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
All of Daniels yellows have basically been because the ref does not like him.

The first was after he got taken out in a late tackle and spent too much time on the ground.
The second was for a hard tackle, fair enough call but a bit harsh.
The third was for booting the ball into the stands when it was going over the sideline.
The fourth was for something that only the ref saw.

Sitting out a game for these offenses is a joke, I am fairly confident that he will get another three fairly quickly for petty calls.

The frustrating thing however is watching teams like the victory try to physically take him out of the game and not even get pulled up for it.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the fourth was a late tackle - ref let the play continue to give an advantage. I would say it was worth a yellow but someone like dr quack could give you a better breakdown of them Alistair2007-10-09 14:24:40
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
LeeP wrote:
From the FFA:
Thanks for contacting Football Federation Australia.We can confirm that after a the accumulation of�seven (7) yellow cards (during the regular season)�an automatic two (2) game suspension is handed down to a player.�


It looks like they take a hard line on accumulated yellows.


Cheers for clarifying this.el grapadura2007-10-09 17:09:00
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ask them if they can cite someone for bringing the game in to disrepute post match if a yellow was given for some other offense.  You might like to include a line telling them Joel Griffiths is a (&%^

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I am starting to think Hard News has a bit of crush on Joel Griffiths.  I imagine if he sat behind him at school, he would have pulled his pigtails.....metophorically

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it's great just the name joel griffith's can provoke HN and at least 3 or 4 of us others to new height s of libel and abuse (though i don't think it's libellous if it is true)

and that Kangaroo hopping celebration noted on wikipedia further confirms his terrifying connection to John Hopoate

and the little weasel played for Leeds - time for all rational thought to be abandoned
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