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You can't stop the freaking game in the box

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
savaged1 wrote:
the elbow looked real bad when they showes it from front on... whats the linesman doing.
 

Yeah it does look alot worse front on which is unfortunate because thats the elbow being used as a weapon and not a tool and by definition is a red card.

Did the two match officials have that very same view? Did they have instant replay to see him load it up and smack him in the kisser? No they had the view from behind so while we get that nice view, once they get home and watch the replay, they will realise that it was worse and will probably feel bad about it. Its like me putting my hand in bag and asking you to guess how many fingers I am holding up. While you have an idea that my hand is in a bag, you don't actually know how many fingers are up.

The judiciary wont get involved because the match officials dealth with it on the pitch. They discussed it and took no action so I would be surprised for the FFA to get involved.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:

I can't believe they have now allowed the goal - I was pretty sure that the whistle went before the ball was hit home.

With regards to the sending off, the ref bottled it.  Pure and simple.

The whistle did go before the goal was scored....... Just adds to the player that wasn't sent off twice.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm sure in the footage, as they walk off and Clebo is talking to the ref, Williams holds his hands up indicating 2-0 - anyone else notice this (I'm not 100% certain on the 0 part - but he did indicate 2 - I think with his right hand)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hey dr quack  what was wrong with brownlees tackle in the box  late in the game? i thought he got him round the legs, no head high and there was no shoulder used, just wrapped the arms round the legs and down he came   and the ref gave them a free kick 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The ref is required to blow up for full time once he believes the correct match time has been played.  Most of them 'bottle' doing it when the ball is in an attacking position because they fear an almighty backlash.
 
I remember a ref blowing for full time (Sunderland vs Millwall, early 90s) when a lad (John Kay) was clean through, one on one, with the keeper.  Sunderland were 7-0 up at the time, so it didn't effect the result, but Kay was a defender who hadn't scored in over 230 games, so it was a bit hard on him!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
giddyup wrote:
hey dr quack  what was wrong with brownlees tackle in the box  late in the game? i thought he got him round the legs, no head high and there was no shoulder used, just wrapped the arms round the legs and down he came   and the ref gave them a free kick 


I think the referee was blind sided and thought there was another man in the tackle. As you should be well aware you are not allowed to strip the ball when two men make the tackle.....
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
always get that rule mixed up   cheers for that 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The thing that really got me was that he only gave the Jets palyer a yellow, then down the other end books Johnson. So a last man challenge denying a clear goal scoring opportunity carries the same penalty as a mistimed challenge that wasn't particularly bad. The implications of not sending the palyer off was huge, 10 men with 45 to go would have changed the game completely as the Jets would have probably withdrawn and put all 10 behind the ball which would have given the Phoenix control.
 
As for letting the goal stand now, it shows how badly the ref got it wrong, he couldn't make a decision blew the whistle for full time and now for possibly the first time ever in football history we have a goal being scored after time is up... What a farce, surely for that reason alone he cannot be allowed to referee A-League next week and needs a stint back in amateur football (liek they do in a lot sports when a ref is deemed not up to it).
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Also the reason it had to be a red was because the foul was outside the area, if it was a penalty then you could argue the goal scoring chance wasn't lost and a yellow could have sufficed (not many refs see it this way but I tend to prefer it when they do). As it was outside the area the chance was lost and the only action available was a red card, plus if the ref was unsighted he had two linesman who would have seen it (well at least one would have had a clear view).

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fuerte wrote:
The thing that really got me was that he only gave the Jets palyer a yellow, then down the other end books Johnson. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fuerte]Also the reason it had to be a red was because the foul was outside the area, if it was a penalty then you could argue the goal scoring chance wasn't lost and a yellow could have sufficed (not many refs see it this way but I tend to prefer it when they do). As it was outside the area the chance was lost and the only action available was a red card, plus if the ref was unsighted he had two linesman who would have seen it (well at least one would have had a clear view).


Johnson deserved his yellow. He was lucky not to get one right after half time (thus putting himself on the radar) then does another dumb foul. Thats not hard luck, thats called dumb footballer. If you commit a foul that should be punished by a caution, and you get away with it, why go have a 2nd crack??? Its like saying "Well I didn't gt caught robbing the bank this time so I'll have another crack at the same place tomorrow"

As for the red. Its red immaterial of whether its in the box or not.
Scenario: The Phoenix have used all 3 subs, Coveny gets pulled down in the box and lands in such a way he breaks a bone and has to go off. Obviously the Phoenix have used all 3 subs so they can't replace Coveny meaning they have to finish with 10 men due to injury (which is really just window dressing for my scenario). Because the foul happened in the box you are saying that we should yellow card him because he gets a penalty and thus isn't really denied a goal scoring opportunity (in your opinion) but they get to finish with 11 while the Phoenix finish with 10?????

It was a red card, in the box or not.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
[QUOTE=DrQuack32
Johnson deserved his yellow. He was lucky not to get one right after half time (thus putting himself on the radar) then does another dumb foul. Thats not hard luck, thats called dumb footballer. If you commit a foul that should be punished by a caution, and you get away with it, why go have a 2nd crack??? Its like saying "Well I didn't gt caught robbing the bank this time so I'll have another crack at the same place tomorrow"

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No fouls of Johnson's were malicious or nasty - just mis-timed challanges.  Part and parcel of playing in the middle of the park.  It was not dumb football of him to keep trying to make tackles, as he was trying to benefit the team.  When you are on a booking, you have to be more selective of when to challenge, but a centre midfielder cannot not go in for tackles "because he might get booked".

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
DrQuack32 wrote:

Johnson deserved his yellow. He was lucky not to get one right after half time (thus putting himself on the radar) then does another dumb foul. Thats not hard luck, thats called dumb footballer. If you commit a foul that should be punished by a caution, and you get away with it, why go have a 2nd crack??? Its like saying "Well I didn't gt caught robbing the bank this time so I'll have another crack at the same place tomorrow"

 
No fouls of Johnson's were malicious or nasty - just mis-timed challanges.  Part and parcel of playing in the middle of the park.  It was not dumb football of him to keep trying to make tackles, as he was trying to benefit the team.  When you are on a booking, you have to be more selective of when to challenge, but a centre midfielder cannot not go in for tackles "because he might get booked".

Was he on his feet or off his feet when he made them? If you say off his feet then he wasn't in control and by definition is reckless.
I wasn't making a statement that he shouldn't tackle. I was making reference that you can't complain about a player getting booked for a tackle when he got away with one earlier.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
[QUOTE=DrQuack32Johnson deserved his yellow. He was lucky not to get one right after half time (thus putting himself on the radar) then does another dumb foul. Thats not hard luck, thats called dumb footballer. If you commit a foul that should be punished by a caution, and you get away with it, why go have a 2nd crack??? Its like saying "Well I didn't gt caught robbing the bank this time so I'll have another crack at the same place tomorrow"[/QUOTE]
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No fouls of Johnson's were malicious or nasty - just mis-timed challanges.� Part and parcel of playing in the middle of the park.� It was not dumb football of him to keep trying to make tackles, as he was trying to benefit the team.� When you are on a booking, you have to be more selective of when to challenge, but a centre midfielder cannot not go in for tackles "because he might get booked".


Hmm, I don't know. I thought Johnson was pretty lucky to have lasted the full 90. The first challenge that Ducky mentioned was very poor and I was stunned that he wasn't carded, and the yellow card he did get was a rare good call from Williams. Old also should have been carded for his challenge on Elrich in the second half, and how Brownlie got away with only a free kick for a rugby tackle I'll never know.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Persistent infringement of the laws of the game can get you a yellow card in its own right, so you dont have to judge each tackle individually.
 
As for the missed red card on the Jets defender, that was simply unbelieveable. Coveny was clear, and was given a blatant "ankle tap", and the defender sholud have walked.
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Browner_ wrote:
Persistent infringement of the laws of the game can get you a yellow card in its own right, so you dont have to judge each tackle individually.
 
As for the missed red card on the Jets defender, that was simply unbelieveable. Coveny was clear, and was given a blatant "ankle tap", and the defender sholud have walked.
 


That was the other angle I was looking at
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Browner_ wrote:
Persistent infringement of the laws of the game can get you a yellow card in its own right, so you dont have to judge each tackle individually.


I'm well aware of that, in fact have been on the receiving end in such situations on a couple of occasions . I simply thought that two of Johnson's challenges were each worth a yellow card, which would of course translate into a red. Didn't stop me from voting RJ the MOTM though.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DrQuack32 wrote:
Fuerte wrote:
The thing that really got me was that he only gave the Jets palyer a yellow, then down the other end books Johnson. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fuerte]Also the reason it had to be a red was because the foul was outside the area, if it was a penalty then you could argue the goal scoring chance wasn't lost and a yellow could have sufficed (not many refs see it this way but I tend to prefer it when they do). As it was outside the area the chance was lost and the only action available was a red card, plus if the ref was unsighted he had two linesman who would have seen it (well at least one would have had a clear view).


Johnson deserved his yellow. He was lucky not to get one right after half time (thus putting himself on the radar) then does another dumb foul. Thats not hard luck, thats called dumb footballer. If you commit a foul that should be punished by a caution, and you get away with it, why go have a 2nd crack??? Its like saying "Well I didn't gt caught robbing the bank this time so I'll have another crack at the same place tomorrow"

As for the red. Its red immaterial of whether its in the box or not.
Scenario: The Phoenix have used all 3 subs, Coveny gets pulled down in the box and lands in such a way he breaks a bone and has to go off. Obviously the Phoenix have used all 3 subs so they can't replace Coveny meaning they have to finish with 10 men due to injury (which is really just window dressing for my scenario). Because the foul happened in the box you are saying that we should yellow card him because he gets a penalty and thus isn't really denied a goal scoring opportunity (in your opinion) but they get to finish with 11 while the Phoenix finish with 10?????

It was a red card, in the box or not.
 
Actually I can see where you're coming from with the injury thing so I guess it should always be a red.
 
As for Johnson yes he was stupid to commit two fouls in quick succession but when a guy only gets a yellow for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity convention wisdom relating to bookings has pretty much gone out the window.
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