You can't stop the freaking game in the box
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You can't stop the game, in the box, after atleast 4 handballs.
C'mon.
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Yeah, I was pissed.
Especially after they handballed it a couple of times.
The ref either should of given us Penalty(for handball) or let
it run till a goal was scored or the ball was cleared
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ref= MUPPET.twice this season now i think
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you can't let that bald cock elbow George in the face,
deliberately, and not give him a red.
Plus, that foul on Coveny should have been another red. I
don't like to bitch at the ref all the times. But a red card in the
first half would have changed the whole game. And the ref should
have done better.
Here's the trick. He booked that bald fck, which means there
was some sort of faul, right??
Well, if there was A foul, whatever that might have been, it
should have been a red, as that c*nt was the last man, and Coveny
was going for goal.
Ridiculous, at best!!
G.
newzealandpower2007-10-14 20:27:50
VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life
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was tha tlegal stopping the game int he middle of the box, it just
seemed crazy, ive never seen that happen before , im really fd off
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The elbow incident, I don't really mind not giving a red in the
game, but the judicary better f**king suspend him.
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i thought the tackle on Covs was worse than the elbow...Covs would've had a primo chance if he wasn't taken down
I like tautologies because I like them.
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That referee was a drop kick, should be sacked.
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The referee can stop the game wherever he damn well wants,
especially if the lead is greater than a goal.
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OMG. This call was even worse than ours. The ref just sent off
Porter in the CCM vs QLD game 4 nothing!
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um not exactly
I like tautologies because I like them.
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A nah, cause that goal could mean the difference between 4th and
5th at the end of the season. (Goal Difference wise)
The game must be stopped at a 'neutrual' time in the game.
(When they smack it to halfway and there's nothing on for
them)
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A nah, cause that goal could mean the difference between 4th and
5th at the end of the season. (Goal Difference wise)
The game must be stopped at a 'neutrual' time in the game.
(When they smack it to halfway and there's nothing on for
them)
The ref decides when it must stop, not a rulebook. If you were to score when the specific amount of injury time was played the goal would've been very unjust.
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Watch more football. Understand it, you can't stop the mid-attack.
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its ridiculous because it was a penalty before he blew the whistle
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The ref blowing his whistle smacked of panic to me, like he wanted to get the whole mess over with. I know there's no cast iron rule about this but generally refs wait until the 'play' is over, for want of a better term, not while the ball is alive in the 6 yard box.
And, yes, absolutely clear penalty, not to mention send-off(s).
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So it's official then that the goal was allowed? CCM commentators
just declared it was.
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There is nothing in the rule book about not stopping the game
whilst there is a goal scoring opportunity (read the rule book
Michael before laying into people), although to avoid controversy -
refs are recommended not to blow up in such situations.
To me, the ref has chickened out and blown for full time to get it over and done with - rather than make a contentious decision and award a penalty in the 93rd minute.
To me, the ref has chickened out and blown for full time to get it over and done with - rather than make a contentious decision and award a penalty in the 93rd minute.
When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!
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There is nothing in the rule book about not stopping the game
whilst there is a goal scoring opportunity (read the rule book
Michael before laying into people), although to avoid controversy -
refs are recommended not to blow up in such situations.
To me, the ref has chickened out and blown for full time to get it over and done with - rather than make a contentious decision and award a penalty in the 93rd minute.
To me, the ref has chickened out and blown for full time to get it over and done with - rather than make a contentious decision and award a penalty in the 93rd minute.
A perfect summation....
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The ref just sent off Porter in the CCM vs QLD game 4 nothing!
That's O'Leary for ya.
Three for me, and two for them.
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The ref just sent off Porter in the CCM vs QLD game 4 nothing!
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I pulled this from another thread I posted in
[QUOTE=DrQuack32] [QUOTE=newzealandpower]I wouldn't call it conspiracy (yet).
The refs should bloody study the rules.
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That's O'Leary for ya.
[/QUOTE]I pulled this from another thread I posted in
[QUOTE=DrQuack32] [QUOTE=newzealandpower]I wouldn't call it conspiracy (yet).
I'd rather call it incompetence.
The refs should bloody study the rules.
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G.
G.
We do. We had our NZFC pre-season seminar where we covered the rules and new interpretations of pre-existing ones. The challenge on Coveny in the Perth game with Peter Green as the ref was shown and while the general consensus was that he ran a great line and did all the work to be in the best place, Coveny got sandwiched, pulled down and you have to ask what part of DOGSO did that not satisfy. He simply had a poor line of sight from where he was. It doesn't excuse the fact it was wrong however.
We looked also reviewed the Adelaide game where Daniel was fouled in the box where ther was no penalty (same referee as today, Ben Williams) It was generally felt that he was inconsistent with decisions where some fouls were given, but the same ones later on were not. And then a mirror image of Coveny getting pulled down again
Its awesome stuff to review because we are learning from others mistakes. Now take todays presentations on two footed lunges (two footed studs up airborne). If it endangers player safety REGARDLESS if he plays the ball, the man of only makes slight contact its a red. Now for those watching the CCM v Roar game, Peter O'Leary has just sent a player off for that very thing but yet the commentators are saying he got it wrong. Simply put, it was a two footed lunge that had no control, airborne and endangered player safety.
Half the problem (sometimes) is that people take the commentary as gospel when in fact its way off base. Even in the Perth game when the commentators reckon Green got it wrong sending off Djublic, it was blantantly obvious that he was sent off for a 2nd yellow because of a shirt pull.
Between incompetence and commentators one day people will be happy.
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Watch more football. Understand it, you can't stop the mid-attack.
Chump.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Half the problem (sometimes) is that people take the commentary as gospel when in fact its way off base. Even in the Perth game when the commentators reckon Green got it wrong sending off Djublic, it was blatantly obvious that he was sent off for a 2nd yellow because of a shirt pull.
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Would be interested to hear what the referees make of the last man-red card incident. Certainly looked like Covs was taken down by the last man; even the commentators (who I thought were quite good tonight for the most part) agreed.
Anyone able to explain why it might not have been the last man and therefore a red card?
Half the problem (sometimes) is that people take the commentary as gospel when in fact its way off base. Even in the Perth game when the commentators reckon Green got it wrong sending off Djublic, it was blatantly obvious that he was sent off for a 2nd yellow because of a shirt pull.
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Would be interested to hear what the referees make of the last man-red card incident. Certainly looked like Covs was taken down by the last man; even the commentators (who I thought were quite good tonight for the most part) agreed.
Anyone able to explain why it might not have been the last man and therefore a red card?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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[/QUOTE]Half the problem (sometimes) is that people take the
commentary as gospel when in fact its way off base. Even in the Perth
game when the commentators reckon Green got it wrong sending off
Djublic, it was blatantly obvious that he was sent off for a 2nd
yellow because of a shirt pull.[/QUOTE]Would be interested to hear what the referees make of the last man-red card incident.� Certainly looked like Covs was taken down by the last man; even the commentators (who I thought were quite good tonight for the most part) agreed.Anyone able to explain why it might not� have been the last man and therefore a red card?
commentary as gospel when in fact its way off base. Even in the Perth
game when the commentators reckon Green got it wrong sending off
Djublic, it was blatantly obvious that he was sent off for a 2nd
yellow because of a shirt pull.[/QUOTE]Would be interested to hear what the referees make of the last man-red card incident.� Certainly looked like Covs was taken down by the last man; even the commentators (who I thought were quite good tonight for the most part) agreed.Anyone able to explain why it might not� have been the last man and therefore a red card?
The only reason I can think of is the presence of another defender in the general vicinity of the incident. As the commentators pointed out, however, that defender wasn't really in a position to challenge Coveny and prevent him from shooting if Coveny had not been brought down. But we had the benefit of a replay to ascertain that, the officials had to make the decision without it, and may have thought tha the second defender was closer than he actually was.
Having said all that, in my eyes Ben Williams is absolutely incompetent at this level.
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Half the problem (sometimes) is that people take the commentary as gospel when in fact its way off base. Even in the Perth game when the commentators reckon Green got it wrong sending off Djublic, it was blatantly obvious that he was sent off for a 2nd yellow because of a shirt pull.
Would be interested to hear what the referees make of the last man-red card incident. Certainly looked like Covs was taken down by the last man; even the commentators (who I thought were quite good tonight for the most part) agreed.
Anyone able to explain why it might not have been the last man and therefore a red card?
There are only two reasons I can think of.
1: He was unsighted. Now I don't think that is quite what I mean because he did see the foul and did give a yellow. He just may not have had the BEST angle to see it all in its entirety.
2: He may have felt that Coveny didn't have or was not going to get possession. He had beaten the defender, he was within striking range.
I'm trying to ask myself the question why its not DOGSO but can't figure it out because its so blatantly obvious in my opinion. You are correct re: commentators
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The Goal counted and we wouldn't have had time to get the ball back
so that's fair enough.
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Watch more football. Understand it, you can't stop the mid-attack.
Chump.
Please show me where it states that cause if thats the case, then the players have been right for the last 16 years and I really am blind...
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html Page 28 and 98. I've even done all the hard work for ya.
When you speak from a position of ignorance, it just sounds like lips flapping in the breeze...
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There is nothing in the rule book about not stopping the game
whilst there is a goal scoring opportunity (read the rule book
Michael before laying into people), although to avoid controversy -
refs are recommended not to blow up in such situations.To me, the
ref has chickened out and blown for full time to get it over and
done with - rather than make a contentious decision and award a
penalty in� the 93rd
minute.
A perfect summation....Agreed, though now I don't understand why it HAS been allowed. Talk about making a mess of it. It was silly to end the game at the time he did but even sillier to now actually count the goal - you can't keep changing your mind.
Regarding the foul on Coveney, the most likely explanation is that the Referee thought that the foul wasn't deliberate. A foul isn't automatically a red card just because the attacker was through on goal. A red card is meant for if the player fouls DELIBERATELY in order to prevent a goal.
Clearly the Ref thought it was a foul but didn't think it was deliberate - this may be because he didn't see it properly.
Anyway, it should have been a red card, but not because Coveney was through on goal but because the foul was deliberate.
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Regarding the foul on Coveney, the most likely explanation is that the Referee thought that the foul wasn't deliberate. A foul isn't automatically a red card just because the attacker was through on goal. A red card is meant for if the player fouls DELIBERATELY in order to prevent a goal.
Clearly the Ref thought it was a foul but didn't think it was deliberate - this may be because he didn't see it properly.
Anyway, it should have been a red card, but not because Coveney was through on goal but because the foul was deliberate.
In the act of committing a foul to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity (DOGSO) it doesn't matter if it is deliberate or accidental. If you bring down a striker and deny him that opportunity accidentally, do not pass go, do not collect $200 and do not use all the hot water in the showers since you get first use.
You are confusing it with a wildly held mis-conception of the term "Professional Foul" which is actually a DOGSO foul but people think it has to be deliberate or "Professionally done deliberately to look accidental" The professional foul is not a term bandied around anymore because it was a slang term for it and FIFA removed the word "intent" about 7 years ago (memory fades here)
Simply put, he either
a: didn't see it properly/have the BEST angle to view it
b: thought Coveny would not have had or could have gained possession
c: softed out of a red card
d: simply got it wrong
DrQuack322007-10-15 00:18:25
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you can't let that bald cock elbow George in the face,
deliberately, and not give him a red.
Plus, that foul on Coveny should have been another red. I
don't like to bitch at the ref all the times. But a red card in the
first half would have changed the whole game. And the ref should
have done better.
Here's the trick. He booked that bald fck, which means there
was some sort of faul, right??
Well, if there was A foul, whatever that might have been, it
should have been a red, as that c*nt was the last man, and Coveny
was going for goal.
Ridiculous, at best!!
G.
Yep that was f**ken ridiculous! We were spewing! That would be a RED CARD in any football match! CRAP!
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the elbow looked real bad when they showes it from front on...
whats the linesman doing.
Anyone remeber (cant remember dates) when brazil needed a goal
to qualify but were running out of time they got a corner but the
guy took to long to take it and the ref blew full time just as he
kicked it and they scored off it but was it wasn't counted because
the game had ended...
anyone remember that
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the elbow looked real bad when they showes it from front on...
whats the linesman doing.
Anyone remeber (cant remember dates) when brazil needed a goal
to qualify but were running out of time they got a corner but the
guy took to long to take it and the ref blew full time just as he
kicked it and they scored off it but was it wasn't counted because
the game had ended...
anyone remember that
Scot v Brazil 78 World Cup
Founder
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I think we'd all be a lot happier if there was a consistancey by
these A League referees towards both sides in a game. We certainly
seem to have had far more decisions against us than for us. Yet we
are not that dirty a side. But I have to say, so far after all the
various games I have seen this season, that there appears to be
only one capable match official. The rest should n't even be
allowed to officiate an under 9's game on a Saturday morning.
I know it's a hard life being a ref and that being human, you
can get it wrong, but you need to be consistent throughout
your career and show NO favouritism to any side. Treat them all as
equal as you can. If a player deserves any card, give it to him. If
you think the game would benefit by allowing play to continue, let
it. But I have seen this what I call "Man United Theory" too
often this season.
Man United Theory = Referees too scared to award a penalty
against the home side for fear of their safety. Have you ever seen
a referee give a penalty against Man U at Old T?? Not very
often!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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the elbow looked real bad when they showes it from front on...
whats the linesman doing.
Anyone remeber (cant remember dates) when brazil needed a goal
to qualify but were running out of time they got a corner but the
guy took to long to take it and the ref blew full time just as he
kicked it and they scored off it but was it wasn't counted because
the game had ended...
anyone remember that
Scot v Brazil 78 World Cup
Brazil v Sweden. 1978 World Cup. Zico "scored" with a header
but Clive Thomas (Welsh Ref) had blown for full time while the ball
was in the air. Match ended 1-1
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I can't believe they have now allowed the goal - I was pretty sure that the whistle went before the ball was hit home.
With regards to the sending off, the ref bottled it.
Pure and simple.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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I'm sure he didn't allow it during the game. The look on
Cleberson's face when he spoke to the ref after the full time
whistle would suggest that he couldn't believe that the ref had
told him that the goal wouldn't stand. Ben Williams? Anagram of
"Useless Australian Twat'?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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I'm sure he didn't allow it during the game. The look on
Cleberson's face when he spoke to the ref after the full time
whistle would suggest that he couldn't believe that the ref had
told him that the goal wouldn't stand. Ben Williams? Anagram of
"Useless Australian Twat'?
Agree, woke up this morning and the Phoenix had scored . Had a
few beers during the game but was sure I had not miss a goal.This
must be a 1st when a goal is awarded after full-time. And people in
Wellington think the refs are bad. CAN'T BELIEVE HE GOT SO MANY
THINGS WRONG IN ONE MATCH.
PS He might still send the cart horse off today, being that
late with the goal decision
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The Goal counted and we wouldn't have had time to get the ball back
so that's fair enough.
What about the sub which was made in the
added time.[ only made to waste time] He did not seem to
award the goal.Even after the commentry team had finished the after
match round up the score was 2-0. Ben " Can't make a
desicion" Williams had a nightmare
ChopperHarris2007-10-15 11:49:40
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