oh ffs you've hunted me down again. Quite sad that I'm on your mind nearly every day. You going to tell me to bugger off to facebook again so everyone can read it on this thread this time?
I don't have all the answers, I've state opinions and I've stated many solutions ie, team shape and some personal changes to line ups and in games. You can easily find this on game threads or WPW general conversations.
Give up my time as do others to watch and support, somewhat invest in my club so feel i like as are others, i am entitled to an opinion etc. From this thread it seems there is some fan engagement and many of us are down the same line of thinking.
If you want to call me a troll again....then you may as well call out half a dozen others out too. zzzzzzzz
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It's tough to see what the Nix need to do to fix our issues.
Is it a couple of other players? The coaching?
We have moments in every game where we look good but faaaark it's gonna be a long season.
Shame about the result, the reds were fair for both. Perth player kicking at the ball and Roleston after whistle has gone. Roleston's reaction totally deserves red. As far as making improvements I reckon we leave that to Showtime Nixie, they seem to have all the answers.
Time to call this behavior out. @cashmere_tech what do you think of your player sending messages like this when you have young girls and women at your club? Abuse is not ok pic.twitter.com/ZyZ6k7eZaZ
Pretty sure that was Taylor marking her. She doesn’t seem to want to receive the ball from Barry before the goals. Should have been a sub and kept the same backline as last week. Can’t understand how the coaches don’t consider form when picking the team
I'm new to women's football this year effectively but Taylor and Rolston have not impressed me in the slightest so far especially considering they are supposedly international level. Sheesh.
100% agree. Last night we were asking if there's actually any players out there that are better options? Are there any names at local level? or are we simply just this weak in NZ. Can't be this bad suuuuurely.
That's the worry this season. Under current set up players that have shown talent in the past are looking below par. Satchell for example played well last year at Sydney. And shown good progress on form. This season she seems to be back to running with ball into dead ends. There is no real evidence of a team system that players are familiar with.
Time to call this behavior out. @cashmere_tech what do you think of your player sending messages like this when you have young girls and women at your club? Abuse is not ok pic.twitter.com/ZyZ6k7eZaZ
Paul Temple started with women’s football club Western Springs in NZ when Rosie white was 13 in his team. Was u17 WWC head coach in 2008? In the first edition of that tournament. he’s at the nix as a coach, could certainly do worse than to invite him into the fold. Has lots of domestic and international experience too. But… if the players are getting $20-30k for the season to play, what is the coach getting? How is that sustainable- one of the other coaches is also a full time teacher as well as alw coach. Maybe that is the biggest hamstring, that the salary isn’t attractive to coaches and players. How much to alm players get paid?
Time to call this behavior out. @cashmere_tech what do you think of your player sending messages like this when you have young girls and women at your club? Abuse is not ok pic.twitter.com/ZyZ6k7eZaZ
Time to call this behavior out. @cashmere_tech what do you think of your player sending messages like this when you have young girls and women at your club? Abuse is not ok pic.twitter.com/ZyZ6k7eZaZ
Don't condone what he said but she's kicked a player on the ground, then pulled her head and got sent for violent conduct - he's called her a name he shouldn't have....there's no death threat...both as bad as each other. Time to move on.
100% agree. Last night we were asking if there's actually any players out there that are better options? Are there any names at local level? or are we simply just this weak in NZ. Can't be this bad suuuuurely.
Prior to last year there was no professional pathway unless you do the overseas slog, which is even less financially rewarding for the personal expenditure than on the men's side. This means a lot of the talented players either get lost to the game entirely once they hit mid-20s even, once full-time employment takes over or similar commitments. The Stuff article on Deven Jackson mentioned Alex Morgan gets about $250k, whereas a player like Michaela Foster, who has started every (?) match is on a scholarship deal at 24, getting a couple hundred dollars a week, less than many of the guys who play in the 'amateur' National League. It's not difficult to then understand why players like Tayla O'Brien and Jackson probably won't join the Phoenix, in fact you just have to be grateful they still play in the National Women's League so that the competition doesn't become just a glorified youth competition.
For example, of the four Forrest Hill girls who went to the 2018 U17 WWC and finished third, three no longer play football, with one of those three being the captain of that side. These are players that would only be turning 22 this year and should be getting primed to be key players or even Football Ferns, yet have given up playing. It's the easy step to point out that some players may be out of their depth, but the reality is that the cream rises, whether you have a barrel or a glass. It's also easy to just tell Welnix to spend more to bring in more quality, but they already run the squad as additional deficit and there probably isn't too much financial wiggle room.
With the financial constraints, it almost makes more sense to take the US university route, so that becomes your key competitor, as the money earnt isn't massive compared to the many potential full-ride scholarships there are for women's soccer and the degree to go alongside them. Players like Hannah Blake, Gabi Rennie, Amelia Abbott, Ava Collins are all senior internationals at big universities and would all likely add something, but are gaining more in the US than they'd earn at the Phoenix. Not to mention it doesn't close the door on a professional career post-university and the facilities and, certainly, coaching are at least as good. Hence why Milly Clegg has kept that door open.
As for the NWL, I only really watched Northern Rovers, and even then not much, but Kelli Brown was probably a stand out and is probably young enough to not have too large of an opportunity cost by signing. But then she was in the squad last season, so for whatever reason, one of the parties decided that she wouldn't be back for this season.
Don't condone what he said but she's kicked a player on the ground, then pulled her head and got sent for violent conduct - he's called her a name he shouldn't have....there's no death threat...both as bad as each other. Time to move on.
Troll. Online abuse like that is never acceptable and deserved to be stamped out. I hope he is punished accordingly. Bravo to the Glory player for speaking out.
As for her actions on the field - she has already been sanctioned with a red card and will receive a suspension as well.
Don't condone what he said but she's kicked a player on the ground, then pulled her head and got sent for violent conduct - he's called her a name he shouldn't have....there's no death threat...both as bad as each other. Time to move on.
I don't know you so willing to take a chance that you have not thought this through, but her actions whatever they were in a game can never be compared to someone who took the effort to find her on Instagram and then shame her based on something that had nothing to do with the incident.
100% agree. Last night we were asking if there's actually any players out there that are better options? Are there any names at local level? or are we simply just this weak in NZ. Can't be this bad suuuuurely.
Prior to last year there was no professional pathway unless you do the overseas slog, which is even less financially rewarding for the personal expenditure than on the men's side. This means a lot of the talented players either get lost to the game entirely once they hit mid-20s even, once full-time employment takes over or similar commitments. The Stuff article on Deven Jackson mentioned Alex Morgan gets about $250k, whereas a player like Michaela Foster, who has started every (?) match is on a scholarship deal at 24, getting a couple hundred dollars a week, less than many of the guys who play in the 'amateur' National League. It's not difficult to then understand why players like Tayla O'Brien and Jackson probably won't join the Phoenix, in fact you just have to be grateful they still play in the National Women's League so that the competition doesn't become just a glorified youth competition.
For example, of the four Forrest Hill girls who went to the 2018 U17 WWC and finished third, three no longer play football, with one of those three being the captain of that side. These are players that would only be turning 22 this year and should be getting primed to be key players or even Football Ferns, yet have given up playing. It's the easy step to point out that some players may be out of their depth, but the reality is that the cream rises, whether you have a barrel or a glass. It's also easy to just tell Welnix to spend more to bring in more quality, but they already run the squad as additional deficit and there probably isn't too much financial wiggle room.
With the financial constraints, it almost makes more sense to take the US university route, so that becomes your key competitor, as the money earnt isn't massive compared to the many potential full-ride scholarships there are for women's soccer and the degree to go alongside them. Players like Hannah Blake, Gabi Rennie, Amelia Abbott, Ava Collins are all senior internationals at big universities and would all likely add something, but are gaining more in the US than they'd earn at the Phoenix. Not to mention it doesn't close the door on a professional career post-university and the facilities and, certainly, coaching are at least as good. Hence why Milly Clegg has kept that door open.
As for the NWL, I only really watched Northern Rovers, and even then not much, but Kelli Brown was probably a stand out and is probably young enough to not have too large of an opportunity cost by signing. But then she was in the squad last season, so for whatever reason, one of the parties decided that she wouldn't be back for this season.
If the Nix ALW team had been around in 2018, hopefully those 3 ex FH girls who were in the U17s, wouldn't have been completely lost to football.
I guess that's partly why NZF helped setup the ALW as the JV it is with the Phoenix. To help provide a new development pathway, and try retain as many talented young female players as possible in the game.
And maybe what Miley Clegg (1 season amateur deal only) has done could be the new template going forward, as keeps the US College scholarship/degree route open. I remember Alyssa Whinham almost signed for an American college, before at the last minute signing a Nix pro deal. Who knows she may unfortunately regret that.
100% agree. Last night we were asking if there's actually any players out there that are better options? Are there any names at local level? or are we simply just this weak in NZ. Can't be this bad suuuuurely.
Prior to last year there was no professional pathway unless you do the overseas slog, which is even less financially rewarding for the personal expenditure than on the men's side. This means a lot of the talented players either get lost to the game entirely once they hit mid-20s even, once full-time employment takes over or similar commitments. The Stuff article on Deven Jackson mentioned Alex Morgan gets about $250k, whereas a player like Michaela Foster, who has started every (?) match is on a scholarship deal at 24, getting a couple hundred dollars a week, less than many of the guys who play in the 'amateur' National League. It's not difficult to then understand why players like Tayla O'Brien and Jackson probably won't join the Phoenix, in fact you just have to be grateful they still play in the National Women's League so that the competition doesn't become just a glorified youth competition.
For example, of the four Forrest Hill girls who went to the 2018 U17 WWC and finished third, three no longer play football, with one of those three being the captain of that side. These are players that would only be turning 22 this year and should be getting primed to be key players or even Football Ferns, yet have given up playing. It's the easy step to point out that some players may be out of their depth, but the reality is that the cream rises, whether you have a barrel or a glass. It's also easy to just tell Welnix to spend more to bring in more quality, but they already run the squad as additional deficit and there probably isn't too much financial wiggle room.
With the financial constraints, it almost makes more sense to take the US university route, so that becomes your key competitor, as the money earnt isn't massive compared to the many potential full-ride scholarships there are for women's soccer and the degree to go alongside them. Players like Hannah Blake, Gabi Rennie, Amelia Abbott, Ava Collins are all senior internationals at big universities and would all likely add something, but are gaining more in the US than they'd earn at the Phoenix. Not to mention it doesn't close the door on a professional career post-university and the facilities and, certainly, coaching are at least as good. Hence why Milly Clegg has kept that door open.
As for the NWL, I only really watched Northern Rovers, and even then not much, but Kelli Brown was probably a stand out and is probably young enough to not have too large of an opportunity cost by signing. But then she was in the squad last season, so for whatever reason, one of the parties decided that she wouldn't be back for this season.
If the Nix ALW team had been around in 2018, hopefully those 3 ex FH girls who were in the U17s, wouldn't have been completely lost to football.
I guess that's partly why NZF helped setup the ALW as the JV it is with the Phoenix. To help provide a new development pathway, and try retain as many talented young female players as possible in the game.
And maybe what Miley Clegg (1 season amateur deal only) has done could be the new template going forward, as keeps the US College scholarship/degree route open. I remember Alyssa Whinham almost signed for an American college, before at the last minute signing a Nix pro deal. Who knows she may unfortunately regret that.
Its a tough one because what player wants a 1 year deal and little security with it...USA pathway way for football and degree probably better option. But again the club isn't signing the players its NZF putting them forward for their benefit. My concern is if this is the best NZ has to offer (albeit we know some are over seas and in colleges) we have very little depth and quality.
The league is poorer than usual as some one earlier mentioned so i would've thought this would be our chance to do well. You try and find positives you really do but there aren't any or at least very little.
Looks like we are stuck with this coach and the playing group. How do they get better as a team? what can be done to give them some hope? The footballers like the Betsy Hassetts of this world will see right through the coaches comments etc.
Again i think we have to change shape - this 4-3-2-1 isn't working - we've rolled it out every week. Its either arrogance or incompetence or both from the staff. Have to try something? can they coach something different? that's the question - is this all they know...seems it.
2 subs in a 2-0 loss in 35 degree heat and longest away trip in the world.....astonishing really. SOMEONE FROM NZF NEEDS TO STEP IN AND HELP!!! HELP THESE GUYS!!!
Dunno who that fan absolving her is, but just loading up and kicking a player several times is not playing the ball.
Agreed. The actions of the Perth player were deplorable. However, Rolsten should have kept her head. I think there was enough coverage of the Pennington incident just a week ago to know what response is not acceptable. 11v10 would have been better than 10v10.
Looking at the replay she’s grabbed her around the back of the neck or hair and pulled her towards herself.
I've watched this a couple of times,need to look more to he sure . although the ref doesn't have that luxury of course. But I'm a bit sympathetic to Rolston here,the ball was stuck between her legs,and whilst the kicks seemed to be aimed at the ball,it was unnecessary,the player should have held back,and the ref should have blown earlier (from what I can tell). The real decider is whether Royston pushed her head towards the player, or whether she had her hair pulled.im leaning to the latter,in which case I would have sent off only the Perth player
Looking at the replay she’s grabbed her around the back of the neck or hair and pulled her towards herself.
I've watched this a couple of times,need to look more to he sure . although the ref doesn't have that luxury of course. But I'm a bit sympathetic to Rolston here,the ball was stuck between her legs,and whilst the kicks seemed to be aimed at the ball,it was unnecessary,the player should have held back,and the ref should have blown earlier (from what I can tell). The real decider is whether Royston pushed her head towards the player, or whether she had her hair pulled.im leaning to the latter,in which case I would have sent off only the Perth player
Perth player definitely pulled her in after the kicking spree, but Rolsten clearly put her hand in the girl’s neck… recent discussions has that as a no-question red.
I wasn’t questioning the decisions, just agreeing with the point made somewhat obliquely above that taking responsibility for unacceptable behavior seems to be a problem on both sides of the Tasman.
Looking at the replay she’s grabbed her around the back of the neck or hair and pulled her towards herself.
I've watched this a couple of times,need to look more to he sure . although the ref doesn't have that luxury of course. But I'm a bit sympathetic to Rolston here,the ball was stuck between her legs,and whilst the kicks seemed to be aimed at the ball,it was unnecessary,the player should have held back,and the ref should have blown earlier (from what I can tell). The real decider is whether Royston pushed her head towards the player, or whether she had her hair pulled.im leaning to the latter,in which case I would have sent off only the Perth player
Perth player definitely pulled her in after the kicking spree, but Rolsten clearly put her hand in the girl’s neck… recent discussions has that as a no-question red.
Well,I'm saying it's pretty harsh in the circumstances for Rolston. But there you are,plenty of opinions.
The interesting question is, refs, what would the ruling have been if she hadn’t reacted?
If she got up and carried on, maybe a foul.
If she rolled around on the ground holding where she got booted maybe a red.
Always a roll of the dice with refs.
Was it Lia or someone that got red carded a while ago in the caketin when someone was fluffing around falling in the ball so he made a massive swing towards the ball and booted the dude in the ribs and got red carded?
I've just watched the highlights. Well,you can't say I'm not keen !
Are they being asked to play a way they don't know how/can't? Their confidence looked shot. Edwards should enjoy her stint with the Ferns,cos I fear it will be the only one she will get. Taylor, my god,don't let her play from the back. Barry,I rate her,but she didn't have her finest moments I'm afraid. Pritchard, well, don't want to be too harsh, so let's just try someone else!
We have no athletes. To be fair not many in some other sides but the fit and mobile teams definitely do better. I'm not sure how we fix that problem.
Agree Pritchard had a poor game but i would still like to see her in a 2 up top - players can excell in different systems...not saying she will....but shes been flogged up there on her own. enoughs enough.
The interesting question is, refs, what would the ruling have been if she hadn’t reacted?
If she got up and carried on, maybe a foul.
If she rolled around on the ground holding where she got booted maybe a red.
Always a roll of the dice with refs.
Was it Lia or someone that got red carded a while ago in the caketin when someone was fluffing around falling in the ball so he made a massive swing towards the ball and booted the dude in the ribs and got red carded?
