Somewhere close to Britomart to make it easier to riot afterwards.
A-league Expansion - Derbies
Would be interesting if another franchise football (re the man city family of teams) decided to buy into the A-league (as per the rumours going round for ccm and jets). We could see the likes of a Auckland Red Bulls team :P
any new sport complex in OrkLund must be near the airport, bus hub, train hub and only 10' walk.
Because the rest of NZ will make it work #Steineken
any new sport complex in OrkLund must be near the airport, bus hub, train hub and only 10' walk.
Because the rest of NZ will make it work #Steineken
Bollox. Jafas drive. Everywhere. Coz they have to.
Would be interesting if another franchise football (re the man city family of teams) decided to buy into the A-league (as per the rumours going round for ccm and jets). We could see the likes of a Auckland Red Bulls team :P
ACFC Barca. Coming yr way soon.
Surely the biggest question is if there is an Auckland A-league team setup will there be a forum as good as this setup for them? I think not
Pretty much every football forum in NZ has turned into a tumbleweed place. In a lot of respects, I think its great that all football discussion is in one place because you get more people contributing and a decent conversation. Some forums you may as well be in an echo chamber.
Surely the biggest question is if there is an Auckland A-league team setup will there be a forum as good as this setup for them? I think not
Depends.
Ka mate ka mate
Somewhere close to Britomart to make it easier to riot afterwards.
Would be interesting if another franchise football (re the man city family of teams) decided to buy into the A-league (as per the rumours going round for ccm and jets). We could see the likes of a Auckland Red Bulls team :P
We have seen ACFC's performance at the Club World Cup; Does that make anyone change their thoughts on whether or not we can sustain a 2nd A League team in NZ?
We have seen ACFC's performance at the Club World Cup; Does that make anyone change their thoughts on whether or not we can sustain a 2nd A League team in NZ?
I dont think so. Its hard to say it would work when this side we have just seen wouldn't even be allowed to play in the A-League (too many imports). What happens if they got a team, and had a magic first season like the Jest did only to never get close to emulating that achievement for the next 10 years? They wouldnt last half as long. These one-off novelty crowds for the Nix are already severely dwindling after two lousy A-League seasons. Could you imagine a team failing to win in Auckland on a regular basis?
Still huge questions surrounding where they'd play etc;
We have seen ACFC's performance at the Club World Cup; Does that make anyone change their thoughts on whether or not we can sustain a 2nd A League team in NZ?
Football-wise yes, the rest of it -wise I doubt it, but it would be awesome to have two NZ teams.
We have seen ACFC's performance at the Club World Cup; Does that make anyone change their thoughts on whether or not we can sustain a 2nd A League team in NZ?
I dont think so. Its hard to say it would work when this side we have just seen wouldn't even be allowed to play in the A-League (too many imports). What happens if they got a team, and had a magic first season like the Jest did only to never get close to emulating that achievement for the next 10 years? They wouldnt last half as long. These one-off novelty crowds for the Nix are already severely dwindling after two lousy A-League seasons. Could you imagine a team failing to win in Auckland on a regular basis?
NHS - People won't go
Waitak - Would not meet A-League standards
Eden park - A bigger barn than here
Mt. Smart - for a limited time/
Everywhere else - NIMBYS
Firstly, I agree with the point Jerzy was making re. a 4th expedition of an Auckland team to Wellington... the point being that maybe the gloss has worn off for an out of team franchise in a competitiuon the locals have no investment in. Perhaps it's not a good litmus paper test for an new Auckland franchise? Perhaps what is important is not how many people are attracted to attend a one off event in the week before Christmas with two significant other events on the same day, and poor whether to boot, but instead the size of the core support that could be generated and leveraged, and perhaps they are not the same things?
Secondly,
Given one franchise isn't yet (nor has ever been) successful, what on earth makes people think a second one would work?... sure, things have changed over the last ten years but a lot of things haven't (like Auckland crowds, and stadium/s).
Let's get the Nix sorted out (ie: winning titles, getting good crowds, and being financially viable - oh, and having a licence) first before any pipe-dreams of a second club. As it stands, diluting our (NZ's) support/resources further would be the end of the Nix.
Dreaming. See you in 5-10 years (I hope).
As Jerzy replied, chicken, egg.
PERHAPS an Auckland franchise, and a local rivalry, and increased media interest as a result, and increased profile might actually be what gets not just the Auckland franchise up over the hump, but also what it takes to take the Phoenix to the next level.
You might rebut this by saying "and perhaps not", but - take a look at what has happened in Sydney with local derbies and rivalry. Look at the crowds in Melbourne derbies too (too a lesser extent) and the Big Blue and Victory versus Adelaide games, and Sydney vs. CCM "derbies".
Note: I am NOT saying this IS the magic bullet that will help over come ALL of the previous issues with Auckland teams.... but I do think it is hard to argue against the additional positive impact of having another "local" team and the associated rivalry. And remember, neither the Kingz or the Knights ever had a second NZ team and the associated rivalry and additional media coverage. So we have never tested this.
Thirdly, BUILD A PURPOSE BUILT NEW STADIUM for a new Auckland franchise. I agree - Mt. Smart #2 (and #1 for big games) is argubaly the best of any of the "existing infrastructure" models. But I think it could EASILY be bettered by building a purpose built stadium with an integtrated transport solution.
There are a number of places this could be done.
Unfortunately the best one (Carlaw Park) has been wasted. Glen Innes, Panmure, Mt Wellington, Ellerslie, Onehunga, Penrose, Greenlane, Avondale, Sandringham/Morningside/St Lukes, Wynyard Quarter, Orakei, and a number of other places in the inner West and even the southern North Shore near ferry and bus lanes could potentially work (I accept the last is a stretch).
Owairaka Park, Mt Albert.
Waikaraka Park, Onehunga would seem a likely contender for a new build from scratch.
We have seen ACFC's performance at the Club World Cup; Does that make anyone change their thoughts on whether or not we can sustain a 2nd A League team in NZ?
I dont think so. Its hard to say it would work when this side we have just seen wouldn't even be allowed to play in the A-League (too many imports). What happens if they got a team, and had a magic first season like the Jest did only to never get close to emulating that achievement for the next 10 years? They wouldnt last half as long. These one-off novelty crowds for the Nix are already severely dwindling after two lousy A-League seasons. Could you imagine a team failing to win in Auckland on a regular basis?
I agree.
Funnily enough it's not actually their results at the CWC that make me think they should make a play for the A-League.
It's more that fact that here's an organisation that has consistently gone to the CWC and been organised enough and professional enough in their approach to perform well and get results.
It's with the people behind the scenes that ACFC's real competitive advantage lies and that's what they should be leveraging to get into the A-League.
My biggest concern with ACFC being selected for an Auckland franchise, would be whether the whole Auckland football community would get behind them? No clue about what politics there are.
The biggest problem for a team in Auckland is finding somewhere for them to play. Oh and obviously they need someone with a few million who wants to bank roll a team.
The biggest problem for a team in Auckland is finding somewhere for them to play. Oh and obviously they need someone with a few million who wants to bank roll a team.
And a quality squad.
We have seen ACFC's performance at the Club World Cup; Does that make anyone change their thoughts on whether or not we can sustain a 2nd A League team in NZ?
I dont think so. Its hard to say it would work when this side we have just seen wouldn't even be allowed to play in the A-League (too many imports). What happens if they got a team, and had a magic first season like the Jest did only to never get close to emulating that achievement for the next 10 years? They wouldnt last half as long. These one-off novelty crowds for the Nix are already severely dwindling after two lousy A-League seasons. Could you imagine a team failing to win in Auckland on a regular basis?
I agree.
Funnily enough it's not actually their results at the CWC that make me think they should make a play for the A-League.
It's more that fact that here's an organisation that has consistently gone to the CWC and been organised enough and professional enough in their approach to perform well and get results.
It's with the people behind the scenes that ACFC's real competitive advantage lies and that's what they should be leveraging to get into the A-League.
Yeah. just needs someone to throw 5 mill into the ACFC pot. Year on year.
NHS - People won't go
Waitak - Would not meet A-League standards
Eden park - A bigger barn than here
Mt. Smart - for a limited time/
NHS and Mt Smart are now better served with public transport than they were.
If ACFC joined the A League, who would get to go to the World Club Champs?
The biggest problem for a team in Auckland is finding somewhere for them to play. Oh and obviously they need someone with a few million who wants to bank roll a team.
And a quality squad.
Nah, I don't think it would be. A-League clubs are given a grant from the FFA which covers players contracts. Auckland would have the advantage of recruiting players from New Zealand and Australia plus some visa players. I see no reason why Auckland would be unable to get a quality squad if they get a good stadium and good crowds.
Realistically, any chance of Nix vs ACFC in Jan? Would be good to have in Wgtn, since travel will be a b#gger, but that applies anywhere it's held.
when are nix reserves due to play acfc?
NHS - People won't go
Waitak - Would not meet A-League standards
Eden park - A bigger barn than here
Mt. Smart - for a limited time/
NHS and Mt Smart are now better served with public transport than they were.
I am not disagreeing with this.
The fact is that despite the improvements both of them are in horrible horrible places. Honestly, just look at where you can walk to for post match entertainment and festivities... errr, FAIL! For both of them.
Auckland needs a stadium, a good stadium, in a good position.
It's a travesty that a city the size of Auckland does not have a good rectangular stadium. They should build one at Wynyard Quarter... ferries, trains, buses, motorway hub are all close by. Bars, restaurants, parking... it all works. It just needs the city to drive it.
NHS - People won't go
Waitak - Would not meet A-League standards
Eden park - A bigger barn than here
Mt. Smart - for a limited time/
NHS and Mt Smart are now better served with public transport than they were.
I am not disagreeing with this.
The fact is that despite the improvements both of them are in horrible horrible places. Honestly, just look at where you can walk to for post match entertainment and festivities... errr, FAIL! For both of them.
Auckland needs a stadium, a good stadium, in a good position.
It's a travesty that a city the size of Auckland does not have a good rectangular stadium. They should build one at Wynyard Quarter... ferries, trains, buses, motorway hub are all close by. Bars, restaurants, parking... it all works. It just needs the city to drive it.
NHS - People won't go
Waitak - Would not meet A-League standards
Eden park - A bigger barn than here
Mt. Smart - for a limited time/
NHS and Mt Smart are now better served with public transport than they were.
I am not disagreeing with this.
The fact is that despite the improvements both of them are in horrible horrible places. Honestly, just look at where you can walk to for post match entertainment and festivities... errr, FAIL! For both of them.
Auckland needs a stadium, a good stadium, in a good position.
It's a travesty that a city the size of Auckland does not have a good rectangular stadium. They should build one at Wynyard Quarter... ferries, trains, buses, motorway hub are all close by. Bars, restaurants, parking... it all works. It just needs the city to drive it.
I reckon NHS sucks the big one, personally. That is obviously just my opinion.
Agree with the rest though. Is not having a pub 10 metres from the gates that much of an issue? Really? Mt Smart, NHS and Eden Park are all within a reasonable distance of 'after-match facilities'. I've never failed to attend a match anywhere in the World because the ground wasn't close enough than I would like to somewhere I could have a pint afterwards.
when are nix reserves due to play acfc?
11th of jan at kewatia(?) st. 2pm kick off i think... im giing to try and get a long
Now that the Nix have been around for a while and taken the show on the road proving that they have fans all over the country,
Who would support a second NZ Franchise?
I live in Chch and I'm very passionate about the Phoenix. I don't think I'd dump my Nix gear and jump on a Chch team's bandwagon if there was to be one. I'd buy a season ticket at best to watch live football as a neutral.
That's the problem imo. The few football fans in this country that have some love left for the A-League are now Nix fans.
Now that the Nix have been around for a while and taken the show on the road proving that they have fans all over the country,
Who would support a second NZ Franchise?
I live in Chch and I'm very passionate about the Phoenix. I don't think I'd dump my Nix gear and jump on a Chch team's bandwagon if there was to be one. I'd buy a season ticket at best to watch live football as a neutral.
That's the problem imo. The few football fans in this country that have some love left for the A-League are now Nix fans.
You don't think that with a good showing this season from the Nix the support/following of the A-League will grow?
And if there was a business case for another NZ club why wouldn't residents of the city it was based in get behind it rather than "that Wgtn"?
If a team suddenly popped up in Auckland I would still support the Nix . That doesn't mean that I wouldn't still snap up season pass to my local team in a heartbeat. How things go from there would depend on far too many variables. For instance any new owner could go all Clive Palmer...
I see there's a rich Russian businessman in Christchurch throwing money at football: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/655...
Any chance he'd be interested in an A League franchise?
I see there's a rich Russian businessman in Christchurch throwing money at football: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/655...
Any chance he'd be interested in an A League franchise?
If he was then we'd be buggered - can't match those training facilities (and ChCh has Smiggle shops too).
I see there's a rich Russian businessman in Christchurch throwing money at football: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/655...
Any chance he'd be interested in an A League franchise?
If he was then we'd be buggered - can't match those training facilities (and ChCh has Smiggle shops too).
And a fudging wizard
Pfft.
We've got Steffan Browning and homeopathy.
