Maybe we should park the Hay debate til his next coaching job. Hopefully he will have some competent attackers there, unlike the useless forwards this country has to offer so we can fairly judge. Surely some high quality football clubs/national setups can see in Danny what some of the top minds on this forum can and will be vying for his signature.
I agree lets see how he goes coaching Palmerston North Boys High School.
Maybe we should park the Hay debate til his next coaching job. Hopefully he will have some competent attackers there, unlike the useless forwards this country has to offer so we can fairly judge. Surely some high quality football clubs/national setups can see in Danny what some of the top minds on this forum can and will be vying for his signature.
I'm a big fan of the Woodsman (a NZ football great) & all he brings, but lets be brutally honest for the last 2 EPL Seasons he has been piss poor at his fundamental job of scoring. And yes all the AWs forwards have been a bit 'useless' in that core task.
Australia's weakest WC team was 1974. All amateurs. I'd say the 2022 squad personal were on a rough par with 2014 & 2018. 2006 was the Golden Generation and alot of those guys were still there in 2010.
Not sure if we can equate weakness or quality with professional vs amateur especially in 1974. The '74 Australian team still won home/away tie with Iran and a playoff with South Korea. It is true to say they were not as good as the players of today but relative to the rest of the world they were stronger. If we can note that there were only 16 teams in the 1974 World Cup and perhaps say that Australia was ranked 16th. Then that would be a stronger team vs the rest of the FIFA nations than the 2022 squad (The '74 Aus team also snagged a draw with Chile after going a man down).
The 1974 Socceroos didn't score a goal in Germany. But that would have all been the fault of their coach, those amateurs not being able to bang in 10 goals against all those teams full of pros.
And not sure England, France or all the other teams that didn't qualify for that FIFA World Cup, would agree with a retrospective FIFA WR of 16 for the '74 Socceroos. Though they may have ranked higher than Zaire & Haiti who also qualified for that WC (their only ever apperances) to get some pastings.
In all seriousness I don't think there's much point in discussing Hay's reign anymore. I don't even think he's a bad coach and wish him success in the future. I just think he wasn't ready for the All Whites job, that it cannot be said that he did a good job, and we must expect a lot better from our next permanent coach, both in their CV when being hired as well as their eventual results. Being an international coach is about maximising the utility of the resources at your disposal and having your team be better than the sum of its parts. Hay did not do this, he did not achieve one result that would be considered any sort of upset, and ultimately very little was achieved beyond blooding the likes of Kirwan, Just & Garbett.
Australia's weakest WC team was 1974. All amateurs. I'd say the 2022 squad personal were on a rough par with 2014 & 2018. 2006 was the Golden Generation and alot of those guys were still there in 2010.
Australia's weakest WC team was 1974. All amateurs. I'd say the 2022 squad personal were on a rough par with 2014 & 2018. 2006 was the Golden Generation and alot of those guys were still there in 2010.
that's an utterly bizarre statement
Sorry this is getting well off topic, but why is it bizarre? Curious to your reasoning.
Someone said talent wise, Arnie's 2022 Socceroos were the weakest Australian side to go to a WC. I'd say no the 1974 team of amateurs who didn't score a goal were.
Australia's weakest WC team was 1974. All amateurs. I'd say the 2022 squad personal were on a rough par with 2014 & 2018. 2006 was the Golden Generation and alot of those guys were still there in 2010.
that's an utterly bizarre statement
Sorry this is getting well off topic, but why is it bizarre? Curious to your reasoning.
Someone said talent wise, Arnie's 2022 Socceroos were the weakest Australian side to go to a WC. I'd say no the 1974 team of amateurs who didn't score a goal were.
I don't think not scoring a goal is a sign of the 1974 team being the weakest ever. A good example of this is the current crop of all whites who are supposed to be the strongest or most talented we have ever had and their goal scoring record in the last 4 games. The 74 Aus team also had a tough group. Both German sides basically at home and Chile and they still got a point in their first world cup. I still think qualifying for a 16 team world cup puts them automatically above the 2022 group. Indeed it is off topic but we have a while to wait before NZ football rehire Ricki Herbert and he becomes first coach to take us to two world cups!
Australia's weakest WC team was 1974. All amateurs. I'd say the 2022 squad personal were on a rough par with 2014 & 2018. 2006 was the Golden Generation and alot of those guys were still there in 2010.
that's an utterly bizarre statement
Sorry this is getting well off topic, but why is it bizarre? Curious to your reasoning.
Someone said talent wise, Arnie's 2022 Socceroos were the weakest Australian side to go to a WC. I'd say no the 1974 team of amateurs who didn't score a goal were.
1. they were the only qualifier from asia / oceania
2. they topped a qualification group against new zealand, iraq and indonesia, beat iran home and away and beat south korea home and away
3. as ted mentioned above, it was a 16 team world cup, they played effectively 2 home teams
4. qualification was not really considered a possibility prior to this
5. Because of the above, the team are immortalised in australian football, much like our 1982 side. arguably their achievement is even greater than ours, as they were the first of the two countries to qualify.
6. in addition to the sentimental stuff, many of the players are considered among Australia's greatest ever and regularly feature in 'best ever' selections. You will tend to find Johnny Warren on every list and the sweeper Peter Wilson is regarded by many as the best Australian defender ever, if not defenitely the hardest! Manny Shaefer partnered Wilson and Col Curran is probably the second best Australian left back behind Alan Davidson and perhaps Tony Vidmar. Atti Abonyi wasn't even a first choice in this side and he is considered one of Australia's best wingers ever. The great Harry Williams couldn't get in because of Curran.
7. being amateur was different then. if they were pros, they would not have been in Australia and they simply would not have played for Australia. Typically, players did not return to the lower reaches of the planet to forge an international career. Australian teams were made up of whoever played locally. Migration however did happen. Many players who were pros or pro standard in Europe became amateurs in Australia and thus added strength to the local league that in turn produced football of a high standard, which created this team. It's a different sort of development to what we have today.
In my opinion, this team do not belong in a conversation around the worst Australian team to qualify for the World Cup.
PS, if 'being amateur' is a factor, you should watch this. And this side never reached a World Cup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQyHB2ABGA
Australia's weakest WC team was 1974. All amateurs. I'd say the 2022 squad personal were on a rough par with 2014 & 2018. 2006 was the Golden Generation and alot of those guys were still there in 2010.
Not sure if we can equate weakness or quality with professional vs amateur especially in 1974. The '74 Australian team still won home/away tie with Iran and a playoff with South Korea. It is true to say they were not as good as the players of today but relative to the rest of the world they were stronger. If we can note that there were only 16 teams in the 1974 World Cup and perhaps say that Australia was ranked 16th. Then that would be a stronger team vs the rest of the FIFA nations than the 2022 squad (The '74 Aus team also snagged a draw with Chile after going a man down).
The 1974 Socceroos didn't score a goal in Germany. But that would have all been the fault of their coach, those amateurs not being able to bang in 10 goals against all those teams full of pros.
And not sure England, France or all the other teams that didn't qualify for that FIFA World Cup, would agree with a retrospective FIFA WR of 16 for the '74 Socceroos. Though they may have ranked higher than Zaire & Haiti who also qualified for that WC (their only ever apperances) to get some pastings.
Sorry well off topic.
Ah i missed this bit.
Several problems with this logic. The premise was 2022 team vs 1974 team. You think the 2022 team was stronger/better.
Lets address first the comment about the coach. I would propose that if there was an exact clone of Graham Arnold in charge of the 1974 team they would have beaten Chile and and managed a draw with East Germany at least. So yes the Coach does matter but not in the way that you think supports your argument.
Secondly you again seem to be equating the lifestyle of a pro in 1974 vs an amateur in 1974 with the lifestyle of a pro in 2022 vs an amateur in 2022. As an example from later even than that '74 team, Socrates the Brazilian great used to smoke like a chimney and drink his weight in alcohol but still perform at the top level for a "Pro" of the time, so the weighting you put on "Pros" is ignoring the fact that this difference became more significant in later generations.
Thirdly you think 16 in the world is too high for the Socceroos of 1974? So the number of qualifiers from Asia/OFC was how many in 1974? Thats right, it was only one! Would the 2022 Team have qualified on that basis?
Fourthly, you also suggest that the Australian team who qualified for a 16 team tournament would not have had a higher world ranking than the 2022 group as other higher ranked teams missed out? But teams like Italy, Colombia and Chile did not qualify for 2022? So the current Aus team were only ranked 38th pre world cup and even after their World Cup run they still sit at 27. Would the 1974 team not have been higher than 38? Remember we are talking about the strength of the side sent to the World Cup. Your point is that 1974 was worse in relative terms to the rest of the world than 2022?
Some good detail there from Reg22 on some stuff I wasn't aware of. Though yes Johnny Warren is a legend in Australian football.
But I still consider the 1974 side weaker than the 2022 version. Just like I consider the 1982 AWs weaker than the 2010 team.
Sure it was only a 16 team WC in 1974, but the strength of the sport worldwide has grown immensely since then, outside of Europe & Sth America. I still don't think the Socceroos would have been the 16th ranked team in the world in 1974 despite their WC qualification. Much like the AWs weren't world number 24, in 1982.
And on Arnold he's been around the Socceroos a long time in a coaching capacity - back to being Hiddink's assistant from 2005. It's been a far from smooth ride. Maybe we need to give our next AWs coach a 2 WC cycles for a change to see what they can do (as long as the first cycle goes okay).
Sorry for getting off topic. Must be due a Pragnell update.
"5. Because of the above, the team are immortalised in australian football, much like our 1982 side. arguably their achievement is even greater than ours, as they were the first of the two countries to qualify."
Just to keep this off-topic topic dragging on for a little longer.....I largely agree with all your reasoning however since you say the above point is arguable I will argue it! In my obviously unbiased opinion the AWs '82 qualification was the greater achievement.
It came from an even lower level of expectation than Australia's. A nation of only 3.5 million, an all amateur squad, a terrible run in to the first qualifier against Australia with heavy losses to Fiji,Tahiti and Canada. Then a surprising but fully deserved away win in Australia to secure top spot in the group and move into the next round against very tough opposition.
They overcame the heart break of conceding a very late away equaliser against Kuiwait to do the almost impossible: beat Saudi Arabia away by a five goal margin on artificial turf just to get through to a sudden death playoff. If that wasn't enough they finally overcame China in 30+ degrees of heat and humidity in front of a 100,000 strong Chinese crowd. They played 15 games, which I believe at that time was the most qualifiers played by any WC team, and had to journey to the Pacific, various parts of Asia and the middle east to do it.
True, their performance at the WC itself wasn't stellar but just getting there was an incredible feat in itself.
"5. Because of the above, the team are immortalised in australian football, much like our 1982 side. arguably their achievement is even greater than ours, as they were the first of the two countries to qualify."
Just to keep this off-topic topic dragging on for a little longer.....I largely agree with all your reasoning however since you say the above point is arguable I will argue it! In my obviously unbiased opinion the AWs '82 qualification was the greater achievement.
It came from an even lower level of expectation than Australia's. A nation of only 3.5 million, an all amateur squad, a terrible run in to the first qualifier against Australia with heavy losses to Fiji,Tahiti and Canada. Then a surprising but fully deserved away win in Australia to secure top spot in the group and move into the next round against very tough opposition.
They overcame the heart break of conceding a very late away equaliser against Kuiwait to do the almost impossible: beat Saudi Arabia away by a five goal margin on artificial turf just to get through to a sudden death playoff. If that wasn't enough they finally overcame China in 30+ degrees of heat and humidity in front of a 100,000 strong Chinese crowd. They played 15 games, which I believe at that time was the most qualifiers played by any WC team, and had to journey to the Pacific, various parts of Asia and the middle east to do it.
True, their performance at the WC itself wasn't stellar but just getting there was an incredible feat in itself.
Yeah, I'm with you there. I used the word 'arguably' just in case anyone thought my loyalty mght be out of whack ;-).
I will question your statement about the quality though. Here's a full replay of the USSR match. We lost, but we played some frikkin good football. If you have time, take a look, it really does put a lot in perspective when you consider some of the crap we've played since.
Some good detail there from Reg22 on some stuff I wasn't aware of. Though yes Johnny Warren is a legend in Australian football.
But I still consider the 1974 side weaker than the 2022 version. Just like I consider the 1982 AWs weaker than the 2010 team.
Sure it was only a 16 team WC in 1974, but the strength of the sport worldwide has grown immensely since then, outside of Europe & Sth America. I still don't think the Socceroos would have been the 16th ranked team in the world in 1974 despite their WC qualification. Much like the AWs weren't world number 24, in 1982.
And on Arnold he's been around the Socceroos a long time in a coaching capacity - back to being Hiddink's assistant from 2005. It's been a far from smooth ride. Maybe we need to give our next AWs coach a 2 WC cycles for a change to see what they can do (as long as the first cycle goes okay).
Sorry for getting off topic. Must be due a Pragnell update.
When you say the Socceroos would not be ranked 16th, that is not the main point. The main point is the 2022 side were ranked 38 and that the 1974 would be higher than that because that is the central argument.
Also disagree on the 2010 All Whites vs 1982. Again you seem to compare 2010 All Whites with 1982 All Whites as if the rest of the World has stood still. The main criteria when making a comparison is relative comparison to the rest of the world, surely? The 2010 All Whites would not have survived the same qualification campaign as the 1982 side. The 1982 All whites may not have been ranked 24 but they would not have been 88 as the 2010 side was. Also Bahrain had an "arguably" legitimate goal ruled out in the dying moments and lets not even get into the worst penalty taken in WC qualifying history. Who did 2010 have comparable to Rufer? (player of the century, no less) Ricky Herbert? ( signed by Wolves) Brian Turner? If NZ were in same group as Brazil in 2010 tournament normal service would have resumed. As you can see from the pasting that Brazil gave the same side of "professionals" in Geneva and at the Olympics.
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
"5. Because of the above, the team are immortalised in australian football, much like our 1982 side. arguably their achievement is even greater than ours, as they were the first of the two countries to qualify."
Just to keep this off-topic topic dragging on for a little longer.....I largely agree with all your reasoning however since you say the above point is arguable I will argue it! In my obviously unbiased opinion the AWs '82 qualification was the greater achievement.
It came from an even lower level of expectation than Australia's. A nation of only 3.5 million, an all amateur squad, a terrible run in to the first qualifier against Australia with heavy losses to Fiji,Tahiti and Canada. Then a surprising but fully deserved away win in Australia to secure top spot in the group and move into the next round against very tough opposition.
They overcame the heart break of conceding a very late away equaliser against Kuiwait to do the almost impossible: beat Saudi Arabia away by a five goal margin on artificial turf just to get through to a sudden death playoff. If that wasn't enough they finally overcame China in 30+ degrees of heat and humidity in front of a 100,000 strong Chinese crowd. They played 15 games, which I believe at that time was the most qualifiers played by any WC team, and had to journey to the Pacific, various parts of Asia and the middle east to do it.
True, their performance at the WC itself wasn't stellar but just getting there was an incredible feat in itself.
Yeah, I'm with you there. I used the word 'arguably' just in case anyone thought my loyalty mght be out of whack ;-).
I will question your statement about the quality though. Here's a full replay of the USSR match. We lost, but we played some frikkin good football. If you have time, take a look, it really does put a lot in perspective when you consider some of the crap we've played since.
Some good detail there from Reg22 on some stuff I wasn't aware of. Though yes Johnny Warren is a legend in Australian football.
But I still consider the 1974 side weaker than the 2022 version. Just like I consider the 1982 AWs weaker than the 2010 team.
Sure it was only a 16 team WC in 1974, but the strength of the sport worldwide has grown immensely since then, outside of Europe & Sth America. I still don't think the Socceroos would have been the 16th ranked team in the world in 1974 despite their WC qualification. Much like the AWs weren't world number 24, in 1982.
And on Arnold he's been around the Socceroos a long time in a coaching capacity - back to being Hiddink's assistant from 2005. It's been a far from smooth ride. Maybe we need to give our next AWs coach a 2 WC cycles for a change to see what they can do (as long as the first cycle goes okay).
Sorry for getting off topic. Must be due a Pragnell update.
When you say the Socceroos would not be ranked 16th, that is not the main point. The main point is the 2022 side were ranked 38 and that the 1974 would be higher than that because that is the central argument.
Also disagree on the 2010 All Whites vs 1982. Again you seem to compare 2010 All Whites with 1982 All Whites as if the rest of the World has stood still. The main criteria when making a comparison is relative comparison to the rest of the world, surely? The 2010 All Whites would not have survived the same qualification campaign as the 1982 side. The 1982 All whites may not have been ranked 24 but they would not have been 88 as the 2010 side was. Also Bahrain had an "arguably" legitimate goal ruled out in the dying moments and lets not even get into the worst penalty taken in WC qualifying history. Who did 2010 have comparable to Rufer? (player of the century, no less) Ricky Herbert? ( signed by Wolves) Brian Turner? If NZ were in same group as Brazil in 2010 tournament normal service would have resumed. As you can see from the pasting that Brazil gave the same side of "professionals" in Geneva and at the Olympics.
I agree re Wynton, but can I suggest Nelsen was a better defender than Herbert? And not just because Blackburn were better than Wolverhampton at the time?
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
It was Herdman,unusual for all of the press to be so adamant.
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
It was Herdman,unusual for all of the press to be so adamant.
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
It was Herdman,unusual for all of the press to be so adamant.
its still Herdman, Jason Pine said the release from NZF was vague and confusing considering the preferred candidate just the day before was Herdman and only Herdman.
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Well we did lose 4-0..... albeit to Portugal, an opponent well beyond our capabilities. Also played some terrible, awful football, that Russia 2-0 game was pretty embarrassing.
I think the win percentages for Hudson being lower than both Herbert/Hay speaks for itself.
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Well we did lose 4-0..... albeit to Portugal, an opponent well beyond our capabilities. Also played some terrible, awful football, that Russia 2-0 game was pretty embarrassing.
I think the win percentages for Hudson being lower than both Herbert/Hay speaks for itself.
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Also you forgot the highly forgettable Fritz Schmid!!
Did they play a game under him?
3 games - that minitournament in India! Lost to a longball Kenya team, edged Taiwan 1-0 then beat India 2-1... but didn't reach the final as India beat Kenya and both India and Kenya smashed Taiwan.
I suppose that gives him the highest win rate against Rest of world... #FritzIn
Here is a shout and he meets all the criteria that NZF said applied to all of the applicants - Anthony Hudson…..UK_ALLWHITE
So anyway... New manager? I read somewhere before Xmas that former Liverpool striker (and Brisbane Roar coach) Robbie Fowler was interested in applying. Not sure if he did or if he was ever considered.
Still trying to work out who this preferred applicant is if it's not Herdman. Surely can't be Scott Gemmill!
We could do worse but I would think we need something fresh and he is also sitting in a pretty position with the USA. You might be being sarcastic but I don't understand a lot of the criticism of Hudson. The All Whites never got hammered (i.e. 0-4 or 0-5) under his reign and we did get draws with USA, Korea and Peru, lost 1-2 to Japan in Japan after taking the lead and pushed Mexico at Confed Cup and scored against them each time we played them. He did play much higher level Rest of the World teams. Here are below All Whites records under Hudson, Hay and Herbert:
Also you forgot the highly forgettable Fritz Schmid!!
Did they play a game under him?
3 games - that minitournament in India! Lost to a longball Kenya team, edged Taiwan 1-0 then beat India 2-1... but didn't reach the final as India beat Kenya and both India and Kenya smashed Taiwan.
I suppose that gives him the highest win rate against Rest of world... #FritzIn
Four games - the 0-1 loss to Canada in March 2018 in Spain was Schimd's first game in charge. Drops the win percentage to 50%. It was also Herdman's first in charge of Canada's men. As an aside, of the 16 players used against Costa Rica, only three played in any of Schimd's four games - Lewis, Payne and Cacace.
if we were still talking to a preferred canditate - who wasnt herdman, then surely by now they've sorted the family issues and signed a contract with a starting date - My guess is Pragnell was trying to save face and it will eventuate that we still have no coach/manager for the AW's after the China games. Pragnall will be hoping for a couple of wins to distract us from his shark storm of a recruitment process and it will begin again.
Can only surmise that the 'Standout' preferred candidate is not Herdman (he's made it very clear he's not leaving Canada), or Gemmill (his CV does not say standout).
You'd have to think is someone else again, and the whole serious family health matter is maybe a genuine thing.
No one has been conclusively able to rule out Hiddink? He’d definitely be an NZF preferred candidate if available.
Hiddink is 76 years old, I can't see him on the sidelines in the Pacific Islands in that heat or doing 25hr flights to and from Europe and it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem. Although his mind might not be what it used to and he could sign for NZ and think he is coaching Brazil, we could try that strategy. If you were Hiddink, what would be in it for you? Living further away from the rest of the world, even further than Austraila and living in UK/NL type weather? We could play him in the midfield I guess.
“After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted. Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.”-NZ Herald Dec 2022
80 candidates from every continent. Would be great if someone leaked that list.
"And it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem".
Jeez that escalated quickly...Ted Striker
martinb
lthomas20
Sooooo after June pretty much
And maybe Herdman/McGlinchey is still in play?
No one has been conclusively able to rule out Hiddink? He’d definitely be an NZF preferred candidate if available.
Hiddink is 76 years old, I can't see him on the sidelines in the Pacific Islands in that heat or doing 25hr flights to and from Europe and it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem. Although his mind might not be what it used to and he could sign for NZ and think he is coaching Brazil, we could try that strategy. If you were Hiddink, what would be in it for you? Living further away from the rest of the world, even further than Austraila and living in UK/NL type weather? We could play him in the midfield I guess.
“After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted. Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.”-NZ Herald Dec 2022
80 candidates from every continent. Would be great if someone leaked that list.
The family situation might be a dying parent or some situation that doesn't have a quick resolutiontheprof
if we were still talking to a preferred canditate - who wasnt herdman, then surely by now they've sorted the family issues and signed a contract with a starting date - My guess is Pragnell was trying to save face and it will eventuate that we still have no coach/manager for the AW's after the China games. Pragnall will be hoping for a couple of wins to distract us from his shark storm of a recruitment process and it will begin again.
The family situation might be a dying parent or some situation that doesn't have a quick resolutiontheprof
if we were still talking to a preferred canditate - who wasnt herdman, then surely by now they've sorted the family issues and signed a contract with a starting date - My guess is Pragnell was trying to save face and it will eventuate that we still have no coach/manager for the AW's after the China games. Pragnall will be hoping for a couple of wins to distract us from his shark storm of a recruitment process and it will begin again.
Perahps, but there is nothing that stops you signing a contract and setting a start date once said situation is sorted.
