BAZEball - The Darren Bazeley Era

martinb

lthomas20

Sooooo after June pretty much

And maybe Herdman/McGlinchey is still in play? 

No one has been conclusively able to rule out Hiddink? He’d definitely be an NZF preferred candidate if available. 

Hiddink is 76 years old, I can't see him on the sidelines in the Pacific Islands in that heat or doing 25hr flights to and from Europe and it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem. Although his mind might not be what it used to and he could sign for NZ and think he is coaching Brazil, we could try that strategy. If you were Hiddink, what would be in it for you? Living further away from the rest of the world, even further than Austraila and living in UK/NL type weather? We could play him in the midfield I guess.

“After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted. Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.”-NZ Herald Dec 2022

80 candidates from every continent. Would be great if someone leaked that list.

Ted Striker

martinb

lthomas20

Sooooo after June pretty much

And maybe Herdman/McGlinchey is still in play? 

No one has been conclusively able to rule out Hiddink? He’d definitely be an NZF preferred candidate if available. 

Hiddink is 76 years old, I can't see him on the sidelines in the Pacific Islands in that heat or doing 25hr flights to and from Europe and it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem. Although his mind might not be what it used to and he could sign for NZ and think he is coaching Brazil, we could try that strategy. If you were Hiddink, what would be in it for you? Living further away from the rest of the world, even further than Austraila and living in UK/NL type weather? We could play him in the midfield I guess.

“After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted. Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.”-NZ Herald Dec 2022

80 candidates from every continent. Would be great if someone leaked that list.

Am agog to know who the candidate was from Antarctica. Play a bit of five a side down McMurdo way do they?

Ted Striker

martinb

lthomas20

Sooooo after June pretty much

And maybe Herdman/McGlinchey is still in play? 

No one has been conclusively able to rule out Hiddink? He’d definitely be an NZF preferred candidate if available. 

Hiddink is 76 years old, I can't see him on the sidelines in the Pacific Islands in that heat or doing 25hr flights to and from Europe and it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem. Although his mind might not be what it used to and he could sign for NZ and think he is coaching Brazil, we could try that strategy. If you were Hiddink, what would be in it for you? Living further away from the rest of the world, even further than Austraila and living in UK/NL type weather? We could play him in the midfield I guess.

“After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted. Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.”-NZ Herald Dec 2022

80 candidates from every continent. Would be great if someone leaked that list.

Am agog to know who the candidate was from Antarctica. Play a bit of five a side down McMurdo way do they?

 

A couple of things I wanted to add… when Herdman signed on to be Canada’s men’s manager in 2018, the CSA’s then-president said he was on board for the next two World Cup cycles. Current president Earl Cochrane confirmed that Herdman is under contract through the 2026 World Cup and I believe always has been. Now, I also believe it’s not that hard to get out of these contracts, but I don’t think it’s as clear as Herdman re-signing with Canada vs. signing with New Zealand.

Secondly, I do think there is some merit to the idea that Herdman was using the outside interest as a bargaining chip with the CSA, but I actually expect he did it demand more resources and more money to fund the youth teams (who have been incredibly under-served during the pandemic) and get some higher profile friendlies in the few windows we’ll have for them in the next three years. I don’t think this was necessarily about improving his own financial situation and was more about his own frustration with trying to be competitive at a home World Cup with a federation that is beyond cheap and pleading poverty at every turn. 

I saw Scot Gemmill start for Scotland in a friendly at Easter Road against Canada. God I feel old.  

I find it interesting the discussion about the manager having to be based in Auckland. U.S. Soccer is based in two historic homes beside each other in Chicago. It was always a requirement of the manager to live in Chicago. Jurgen Klinsmann has been the only exception that I know of, so far, because he wouldn’t take the job if he couldn’t live in Southern California. Frankly, it makes no sense to me, particularly since the team almost never plays in Chicago and they have winter. But I bring this up because the story (which may be apocryphal) is that the US needed a new U20 manager when Tab Ramos took an MLS job and no one wanted to move to Chicago in the middle of a pandemic. So despite a calamitous run with the Colorado Rapids, Anthony Hudson was willing to move to Chicago – which is how he got the U20 job. The U20 World Cup was cancelled, they hired a proper U20 manager for this current U20 cycle, but threw Hudson a bone in Gregg Berhalter’s backroom staff with the senior national team… and now he’s the interim manager as the US cleans house following the Berhalter-Reyna mess. May we all fail upwards as well as Anthony Hudson has. 

martinb

lthomas20

Sooooo after June pretty much

And maybe Herdman/McGlinchey is still in play? 

No one has been conclusively able to rule out Hiddink? He’d definitely be an NZF preferred candidate if available. 

Hiddink is 76 years old, I can't see him on the sidelines in the Pacific Islands in that heat or doing 25hr flights to and from Europe and it would be tricky if the coach died of old age on the plane to the world cup or during the national anthem. Although his mind might not be what it used to and he could sign for NZ and think he is coaching Brazil, we could try that strategy. If you were Hiddink, what would be in it for you? Living further away from the rest of the world, even further than Austraila and living in UK/NL type weather? We could play him in the midfield I guess.

“After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted. Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.”-NZ Herald Dec 2022

80 candidates from every continent. Would be great if someone leaked that list.

juneof86

 

A couple of things I wanted to add… when Herdman signed on to be Canada’s men’s manager in 2018, the CSA’s then-president said he was on board for the next two World Cup cycles. Current president Earl Cochrane confirmed that Herdman is under contract through the 2026 World Cup and I believe always has been. Now, I also believe it’s not that hard to get out of these contracts, but I don’t think it’s as clear as Herdman re-signing with Canada vs. signing with New Zealand.

Secondly, I do think there is some merit to the idea that Herdman was using the outside interest as a bargaining chip with the CSA, but I actually expect he did it demand more resources and more money to fund the youth teams (who have been incredibly under-served during the pandemic) and get some higher profile friendlies in the few windows we’ll have for them in the next three years. I don’t think this was necessarily about improving his own financial situation and was more about his own frustration with trying to be competitive at a home World Cup with a federation that is beyond cheap and pleading poverty at every turn. 

I saw Scot Gemmill start for Scotland in a friendly at Easter Road against Canada. God I feel old.  

I find it interesting the discussion about the manager having to be based in Auckland. U.S. Soccer is based in two historic homes beside each other in Chicago. It was always a requirement of the manager to live in Chicago. Jurgen Klinsmann has been the only exception that I know of, so far, because he wouldn’t take the job if he couldn’t live in Southern California. Frankly, it makes no sense to me, particularly since the team almost never plays in Chicago and they have winter. But I bring this up because the story (which may be apocryphal) is that the US needed a new U20 manager when Tab Ramos took an MLS job and no one wanted to move to Chicago in the middle of a pandemic. So despite a calamitous run with the Colorado Rapids, Anthony Hudson was willing to move to Chicago – which is how he got the U20 job. The U20 World Cup was cancelled, they hired a proper U20 manager for this current U20 cycle, but threw Hudson a bone in Gregg Berhalter’s backroom staff with the senior national team… and now he’s the interim manager as the US cleans house following the Berhalter-Reyna mess. May we all fail upwards as well as Anthony Hudson has. 

Seems as Juneof86 said, Soccer Canada has it's own financial issues 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/300804908/christine-sinclair-hits-out-as-canadas-women-take-job-action-over-cuts-ahead-of-world-cup

coochiee

juneof86

 

A couple of things I wanted to add… when Herdman signed on to be Canada’s men’s manager in 2018, the CSA’s then-president said he was on board for the next two World Cup cycles. Current president Earl Cochrane confirmed that Herdman is under contract through the 2026 World Cup and I believe always has been. Now, I also believe it’s not that hard to get out of these contracts, but I don’t think it’s as clear as Herdman re-signing with Canada vs. signing with New Zealand.

Secondly, I do think there is some merit to the idea that Herdman was using the outside interest as a bargaining chip with the CSA, but I actually expect he did it demand more resources and more money to fund the youth teams (who have been incredibly under-served during the pandemic) and get some higher profile friendlies in the few windows we’ll have for them in the next three years. I don’t think this was necessarily about improving his own financial situation and was more about his own frustration with trying to be competitive at a home World Cup with a federation that is beyond cheap and pleading poverty at every turn. 

I saw Scot Gemmill start for Scotland in a friendly at Easter Road against Canada. God I feel old.  

I find it interesting the discussion about the manager having to be based in Auckland. U.S. Soccer is based in two historic homes beside each other in Chicago. It was always a requirement of the manager to live in Chicago. Jurgen Klinsmann has been the only exception that I know of, so far, because he wouldn’t take the job if he couldn’t live in Southern California. Frankly, it makes no sense to me, particularly since the team almost never plays in Chicago and they have winter. But I bring this up because the story (which may be apocryphal) is that the US needed a new U20 manager when Tab Ramos took an MLS job and no one wanted to move to Chicago in the middle of a pandemic. So despite a calamitous run with the Colorado Rapids, Anthony Hudson was willing to move to Chicago – which is how he got the U20 job. The U20 World Cup was cancelled, they hired a proper U20 manager for this current U20 cycle, but threw Hudson a bone in Gregg Berhalter’s backroom staff with the senior national team… and now he’s the interim manager as the US cleans house following the Berhalter-Reyna mess. May we all fail upwards as well as Anthony Hudson has. 

Seems as Juneof86 said, Soccer Canada has it's own financial issues 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/300804908/christine-sinclair-hits-out-as-canadas-women-take-job-action-over-cuts-ahead-of-world-cup

Man just reading that it seems really pathetic of Sinclair. If the organization has no money then surely they can't afford the program, thats just how it works.

I'm sure they'll be putting all the effort over the next few year into the men's team as they have a home world cup coming up that might actually make them some money.

Left-field thought.

Get Paul Ifill in there.

Passionate about NZ. Yes, unproven. but I'd take him over Bazeley. 

Does he have a UEFA Pro License? Assume that's a pre-requisite. 

Left-field thought.

Get Paul Ifill in there.

Passionate about NZ. Yes, unproven. but I'd take him over Bazeley. 

Does he have a UEFA Pro License? Assume that's a pre-requisite. 

Left-field thought.

Get Paul Ifill in there.

Passionate about NZ. Yes, unproven. but I'd take him over Bazeley. 

Does he have a UEFA Pro License? Assume that's a pre-requisite. 

Just to gauge the forum's general feelings, as I'm seeing a bit of both. Would you rather;

a) take a complete flyer (Riera, Ifill, or a foreign hotshot) who while an unknown and unfamiliar with NZF is able to brand their identity on the team, or;

b) keep the status quo with an underwhelming yet consistent culture guy (Baze and Emblen, Hay pt. 2), taking both harmony and grievances that may come with having an NZF yes-man in the role?

Just to gauge the forum's general feelings, as I'm seeing a bit of both. Would you rather;

a) take a complete flyer (Riera, Ifill, or a foreign hotshot) who while an unknown and unfamiliar with NZF is able to brand their identity on the team, or;

b) keep the status quo with an underwhelming yet consistent culture guy (Baze and Emblen, Hay pt. 2), taking both harmony and grievances that may come with having an NZF yes-man in the role?

So I'd say they are going to re-advertise the role. With Bazely being caretaker coach for the March series there is no immediate pressure (in NZF eyes at least) and my money is on starting the process anew

newzealandpower

So I'd say they are going to re-advertise the role. With Bazely being caretaker coach for the March series there is no immediate pressure (in NZF eyes at least) and my money is on starting the process anew

Pragnell has stated a coach is selected but will not be announced until the family health issue is resolved. 
Be patient 

ClubOranje

newzealandpower

So I'd say they are going to re-advertise the role. With Bazely being caretaker coach for the March series there is no immediate pressure (in NZF eyes at least) and my money is on starting the process anew

Pragnell has stated a coach is selected but will not be announced until the family health issue is resolved. 
Be patient 

do you think this is the truth?

Just to gauge the forum's general feelings, as I'm seeing a bit of both. Would you rather;

a) take a complete flyer (Riera, Ifill, or a foreign hotshot) who while an unknown and unfamiliar with NZF is able to brand their identity on the team, or;

b) keep the status quo with an underwhelming yet consistent culture guy (Baze and Emblen, Hay pt. 2), taking both harmony and grievances that may come with having an NZF yes-man in the role?

ClubOranje

newzealandpower

So I'd say they are going to re-advertise the role. With Bazely being caretaker coach for the March series there is no immediate pressure (in NZF eyes at least) and my money is on starting the process anew

Pragnell has stated a coach is selected but will not be announced until the family health issue is resolved. 
Be patient 

do you think this is the truth?

newzealandpower

So I'd say they are going to re-advertise the role. With Bazely being caretaker coach for the March series there is no immediate pressure (in NZF eyes at least) and my money is on starting the process anew

Pragnell has stated a coach is selected but will not be announced until the family health issue is resolved. 
Be patient 

Just to gauge the forum's general feelings, as I'm seeing a bit of both. Would you rather;

a) take a complete flyer (Riera, Ifill, or a foreign hotshot) who while an unknown and unfamiliar with NZF is able to brand their identity on the team, or;

b) keep the status quo with an underwhelming yet consistent culture guy (Baze and Emblen, Hay pt. 2), taking both harmony and grievances that may come with having an NZF yes-man in the role?

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Ryan

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Not sure why Jay Herdman being selected is ‘interesting’ given he got best player award at qualifiers, Canada didn’t qualify and age group representation doesn’t tie him to NZ for seniors.
Would have been more interesting had he not been selected.

Ryan

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Not sure why Jay Herdman being selected is ‘interesting’ given he got best player award at qualifiers, Canada didn’t qualify and age group representation doesn’t tie him to NZ for seniors.
Would have been more interesting had he not been selected.

ClubOranje

Ryan

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Not sure why Jay Herdman being selected is ‘interesting’ given he got best player award at qualifiers, Canada didn’t qualify and age group representation doesn’t tie him to NZ for seniors.
Would have been more interesting had he not been selected.

Its "interesting" from the point of view he is still committed to NZ rather than deciding it's time to switch to Canada. 

Ted Striker

ClubOranje

Ryan

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Not sure why Jay Herdman being selected is ‘interesting’ given he got best player award at qualifiers, Canada didn’t qualify and age group representation doesn’t tie him to NZ for seniors.
Would have been more interesting had he not been selected.

Its "interesting" from the point of view he is still committed to NZ rather than deciding it's time to switch to Canada. 

Canada didn’t qualify, it doesn’t commit him to NZ beyond this, and the U20 World Cup is a shop window. 
I thought I said all this already.
What else was he going to do? Say no thanks I’ll watch it on TV.?

ClubOranje

Ted Striker

ClubOranje

Ryan

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Not sure why Jay Herdman being selected is ‘interesting’ given he got best player award at qualifiers, Canada didn’t qualify and age group representation doesn’t tie him to NZ for seniors.
Would have been more interesting had he not been selected.

Its "interesting" from the point of view he is still committed to NZ rather than deciding it's time to switch to Canada. 

Canada didn’t qualify, it doesn’t commit him to NZ beyond this, and the U20 World Cup is a shop window. 
I thought I said all this already.
What else was he going to do? Say no thanks I’ll watch it on TV.?

Don't get salty! Perhaps he could just say "no thanks" and look to get into the Senior Canada squad which his father coaches. That is a bigger shop window than playing for NZ at an U20 world cup. Also playing for NZ puts him further into the NZ system who could call him up to the senior squad tomorrow and prevent him from playing for Canada ever. 

ClubOranje

Ted Striker

ClubOranje

Ryan

Interestingly, Jay Herdman has been selected for NZ U20 under Beazely
https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/124941?newsfeedId=1275622

My guess is they hope everyone moves on then go back to market for a new head coach.

Not sure why Jay Herdman being selected is ‘interesting’ given he got best player award at qualifiers, Canada didn’t qualify and age group representation doesn’t tie him to NZ for seniors.
Would have been more interesting had he not been selected.

Its "interesting" from the point of view he is still committed to NZ rather than deciding it's time to switch to Canada. 

Canada didn’t qualify, it doesn’t commit him to NZ beyond this, and the U20 World Cup is a shop window. 
I thought I said all this already.
What else was he going to do? Say no thanks I’ll watch it on TV.?

Don't get salty! Perhaps he could just say "no thanks" and look to get into the Senior Canada squad which his father coaches. That is a bigger shop window than playing for NZ at an U20 world cup. Also playing for NZ puts him further into the NZ system who could call him up to the senior squad tomorrow and prevent him from playing for Canada ever. 

Meanwhile, no updates as to any possible new coach. Embarrassing for NZF

Meanwhile, no updates as to any possible new coach. Embarrassing for NZF