This isn't just an (Association) football thing. I was playing in a Gaelic cup semifinal and a debatable call went our way that possibly won us the game. After the whistle, the opposition coach went and shirtfronted the ref. He copped a 1 year ban for that and his whole club withdrew from the competition in sympathy.
This garbage happens not only because there's not sufficient consequences, but that it works (i.e. intimidates refs into shying away from borderline calls). Bodycams sounds sensible at elite levels; but on the other hand all the technology in the world doesn't stop VARs from copping abuse.
IMO there are two issues that directly impact the way the fans/clubs/officials see the refs. We all want the right calls to be made and made consistently, this sint happening in any sport and adding VAR or a bunker hasnt made it better, in fact it has highlighted the major issues with the rules of most games. They are never clear and most of them rely on some kind of opinion or discretion. Then you have the fact that punshment for players charging refs during a game has always been non-existent, even when there is a directive against it, fans, officials see their starts get away with it so it escalates. Solution- get the rules right, so they are clear and easy to understand and officiate, make it easier forthe refs to get it right - reducing angst and anger towards them. Then if/when someone abuses, threatens a referee punish them HARD!
Agree. I don't know why refs don't brandish more yellow cards for on field dissent atm. Get it out of the game. Should be ony the captain that can approach the ref. Any other player within 2m pleading with the ref after a decision. Yellow card them. Or second yellow card them if necessary.
What's wild about the Turkey situation was it wasn't a drunk fan, it wasn't a testosterone fuelled player, it was the club president. The club's fudgeing president.
When people were discussing sin binning players who receive a yellow card my initial thought was no. After more reflection I wonder if sin binning could be used not for all yellow card offences but for particular negative aspects within the game such as abuse and intimidation of refs. The end goal being a change to the overall culture of the game.
While sin binning wouldn’t be a direct consequence for scenarios like we’ve seen in Turkey, if the culture of football changed then hopefully such scenarios could be avoided.
It will take generations for attitudes to shift, if they ever do. Referee abuse in football is ingrained throughout, from the Champions League to Cap 10. Kids watch their idols surround the ref giving him all sorts of abuse every week, and follow suit, because when you are 8 years old you think everything your footballing idol does is right.
We will be lucky if any of us on here live to see it change if I’m being honest.
I found dissent and spectator behaviour worse last season, for whatever reason.
I don't expect change tbh. Ref will always make some mistakes (as do players), and VAR has now made refs, and pundits slagging them off, part of "the show".
Parents, and parent coaches are the worst tbh, other than at the nix/ole academy levels. Buffon II
It will take generations for attitudes to shift, if they ever do. Referee abuse in football is ingrained throughout, from the Champions League to Cap 10. Kids watch their idols surround the ref giving him all sorts of abuse every week, and follow suit, because when you are 8 years old you think everything your footballing idol does is right.
We will be lucky if any of us on here live to see it change if I’m being honest.
if there is a better thread to put this in then please let me know
Watching a game of rugby today and was interested how when a player was injured, they don't leave the field, rather a medic comes on and if its serious then at the next stop of play it is dealt with. If its not, a bit of cold spray and on ya go. What do people think about using that approach in football? Like we have people feigning injuries left right and centre which slows the game down. Why not just have medics come on the field during play and attend the players rather than having to kick it out? Which I find a weird connection to the 'old days' when footballers were honourable.
Yeah it ahppens a lot in rugby where an injured player drops to the ground and the medics rush on and treat them there, I'm always cioncerned that the enxt play or two lands on them both. Less likely in rugby as the play tends to move in one direction (away from the downed player) for quite some time, but a turnover close to the next play puts everyone at risk. I much rpefer the football way of managing it, as this reduces the inclination for footballer sto feign injury, which I think is why the refs are directed to keep a player off if they are attended by medics.
