Tom you are very wrong. I'm a Highlander's fan, but we didn't make Israel Dagg. He was always a promising player, behind a long line of outside backs in the Hurricanes set up, we brought him in knowing very well he would leave in a year or two. There's so many players we pick up in the draft because and give game time. Nick Evans was also originally from Auckland, wanted to be closer to his family. Colin Slade has made it clear he wants to crack the Crusaders squad next year, but he is a very good signing. Other than game time for a young player, there's not much the Highlanders can offer players. Wellington is a much more appealing place to live, I couldn't imagine a bro living down there either.Luis Garcia2010-10-01 21:56:17
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The thing with the Highlanders, is that they make players into potential All Blacks then they leave for other provinces or over-seas because of our poor results. For example, Israel Dagg. We made this guy quality, he is now a wonderful player who could be in line for the World Cup, but sadly is now playing for the Crusaders. Nick Evans is another example. Plays with us for 3 seasons, suddenly finds himself 2nd best in the country, so he leaves to the Blues. Its pretty dissapointing when one of the stars leaves the club. Although its good to see Ben Smith, Jimmy Cowan, Tom Donnely and Adam Thompson staying with the franchise. Its also good to see Colin Slade coming in. OOOOTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Tom you are very wrong. I'm a Highlander's fan, but we didn't make Israel Dagg. He was always a promising player, behind a long line of outside backs in the Hurricanes set up, we brought him in knowing very well he would leave in a year or two. There's so many players we pick up in the draft because and give game time. Nick Evans was also originally from Auckland, wanted to be closer to his family. Colin Slade has made it clear he wants to crack the Crusaders squad next year, but he is a very good signing. Other than game time for a young player, there's not much the Highlanders can offer players. Wellington is a much more appealing place to live, I couldn't imagine a bro living down there either.Luis Garcia2010-10-01 21:56:17
(no relation to F Dagg from Taihape)
Ahem. Mr I Dagg is from Hawkes Bay.
Yes, your right. But as I understand he wasn't that good(correct me if im wrong)and he discovered his full potential here.. Im pretty sure the same for Nick Evans coming down from Harbour..(Not too sure so please correct me)
Correcting you for being wrong. He was fantastic for Hawkes Bay. Had plenty of potential, but lots of experienced players in front of him in the Hurricanes.
Along with these guys...
Kieran Read - Rosehill College - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sean Maitland - Hamilton Boys High - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sam Whitelock - Fielding Boys High - Moved to Canterbury after college
Corey Flynn - Southland Boys High - Debuted with Southland
Robbie Freuan - Porirua College - Debuted with Wellington
Israel Dagg - Lindisfarne College - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
Zac Guildford - Napier Boy's High - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
George Whitelock - Fielding Boy's High - Debuted with Otago.
Along with these guys...
Kieran Read - Rosehill College - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sean Maitland - Hamilton Boys High - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sam Whitelock - Fielding Boys High - Moved to Canterbury after college
Corey Flynn - Southland Boys High - Debuted with Southland
Robbie Freuan - Porirua College - Debuted with Wellington
Israel Dagg - Lindisfarne College - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
Zac Guildford - Napier Boy's High - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
George Whitelock - Fielding Boy's High - Debuted with Otago.
Along with these guys...
Kieran Read - Rosehill College - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sean Maitland - Hamilton Boys High - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sam Whitelock - Fielding Boys High - Moved to Canterbury after college
Corey Flynn - Southland Boys High - Debuted with Southland
Robbie Freuan - Porirua College - Debuted with Wellington
Israel Dagg - Lindisfarne College - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
Zac Guildford - Napier Boy's High - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
George Whitelock - Fielding Boy's High - Debuted with Otago.
Braid is easily better than Latimer. You're right about Masaga, but Latimer is so mediocre. Braid was outstanding for Queensland. It's a shame he still can't play in Australia and play for New Zealand.
Come on Northland!
Come on Northland!
Boo-urns. C'mon the Bay!
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wish these commentators would stop sperming on about northland
Not as bad as Matthew Cooper. They should keep him away from Waikato games, I know he lives there, but he's so biased. For example Auckland will score, "Oh but you have to credit Richard Kahui's defensive in that previous play." Frig he annoys the hell out of me. Tony Johnson and now Justin Marshall are the only rugby commentators that I actually enjoy.
Agreed it does seem a little odd, though in saying that the 5th Super Rugby base got the wooden spoon...
Anyone a bit sad that the semifinalists ended up being Akl, Waik, Wgtn, Cant? After a season of the underdogs it seems a bit strange not to see Southland, Naki or the Bay in there.
Agreed it does seem a little odd, though in saying that the 5th Super Rugby base got the wooden spoon...
Anyone a bit sad that the semifinalists ended up being Akl, Waik, Wgtn, Cant? After a season of the underdogs it seems a bit strange not to see Southland, Naki or the Bay in there.
Final where ever it is going to be will be Friday night because of this.
As unlikely as this may be, anyone have any ideas on what they will do for the final if Auckland & Wellington win (League double header at Eden Park)
Anyone a bit sad that the semifinalists ended up being Akl, Waik, Wgtn, Cant? After a season of the underdogs it seems a bit strange not to see Southland, Naki or the Bay in there.
I'm obviously glad Auckland made it back into the semi-finals, but it is good to see some diversity. I thoroughly enjoyed Southland holding the shield for as long as they did as well, though seeing Canterbury of all teams finally take it away from them was infuriating.
Wellington aren't even the bridesmaid this season.5 years in the semi's in a row, 4 of those making the final and nothing to show for it.Ouch.
Viagra are now proud sponsors of Wellington RFU. For those of us who can only achieve a semi.
Tom you are very wrong. I'm a Highlander's fan, but we didn't make Israel Dagg. He was always a promising player, behind a long line of outside backs in the Hurricanes set up, we brought him in knowing very well he would leave in a year or two. There's so many players we pick up in the draft because and give game time. Nick Evans was also originally from Auckland, wanted to be closer to his family. Colin Slade has made it clear he wants to crack the Crusaders squad next year, but he is a very good signing. Other than game time for a young player, there's not much the Highlanders can offer players. Wellington is a much more appealing place to live, I couldn't imagine a bro living down there either.Luis Garcia2010-10-01 21:56:17
(no relation to F Dagg from Taihape)
Yes, your right. But as I understand he wasn't that good(correct me if im wrong)and he discovered his full potential here.. Im pretty sure the same for Nick Evans coming down from Harbour..(Not too sure so please correct me)
Correcting you for being wrong. He was fantastic for Hawkes Bay. Had plenty of potential, but lots of experienced players in front of him in the Hurricanes.
To call Dagg an Otago product is stretching the truth, as is calling Evans an Otago product. Both of them probably kicked on there though.
Good game this afternoon between Nthland and Waikato, high scoring and plenty of good contact.
As for Wellington v BOP the other night, great performance from BOP. I didn't think the Lions were to bad, just little things not going quite right for them at the moment.
Great to see both Donald and Delany back playing good football, giving the ABs plenty of options at 10 for EOYT
bopman2010-10-02 16:49:38
The Otago team is good for exactly that. They get a lot of draft players and they end up with players who are good/talented/have potential but just missed out in there province of origin. They go to Otago where they get the chance to show what they've got. It's a good thing for both the players and Otago.
To call Dagg an Otago product is stretching the truth, as is calling Evans an Otago product. Both of them probably kicked on there though.
Ha. Waiting now for all the Cantabs to start claiming SBW as a product of the Chch system.
To call Dagg an Otago product is stretching the truth, as is calling Evans an Otago product. Both of them probably kicked on there though.
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Ha. Waiting now for all the Cantabs to start claiming SBW as a product of the Chch system.
Along with these guys...
Kieran Read - Rosehill College - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sean Maitland - Hamilton Boys High - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sam Whitelock - Fielding Boys High - Moved to Canterbury after college
Corey Flynn - Southland Boys High - Debuted with Southland
Robbie Freuan - Porirua College - Debuted with Wellington
Israel Dagg - Lindisfarne College - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
Zac Guildford - Napier Boy's High - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
George Whitelock - Fielding Boy's High - Debuted with Otago.
deleted post.Luis Garcia2010-10-05 22:05:18
One thing I find interesting is the players going overseas who haven't been capped by New Zealand. Canterbury prop Peter Borlase has just signed with Munster, meaning he could go on to play for Ireland if he stays there for a few years, same with Daniel Bowden with England. Bowden is a classy player, and it's crazy how we let talent like him go because we just can't afford it. There needs to be more appeal in New Zealand than the black jersey.
Oh hai,
I haz Ranfurly Shield!!!
I haz Ranfurly Shield!!!
Counties will have it by next weekend.
Canterbury winning it back off Southland is the worst possible outcome that could be imagined. Ugh.
To call Dagg an Otago product is stretching the truth, as is calling Evans an Otago product. Both of them probably kicked on there though.
Ha. Waiting now for all the Cantabs to start claiming SBW as a product of the Chch system.
Along with these guys...
Kieran Read - Rosehill College - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sean Maitland - Hamilton Boys High - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sam Whitelock - Fielding Boys High - Moved to Canterbury after college
Corey Flynn - Southland Boys High - Debuted with Southland
Robbie Freuan - Porirua College - Debuted with Wellington
Israel Dagg - Lindisfarne College - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
Zac Guildford - Napier Boy's High - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
George Whitelock - Fielding Boy's High - Debuted with Otago.
I don't quite understand the point of comments like these... I don't disagree that much of Canterbury's talent has come from outside the region, but thats what happens at proffesional sport. You could go through most of the Air NZ Cup teams - particularly the big 5 - and find 5 or 6 players who weren't raised in the respective union they are playing at.
Perhaps instead of complaining, the other unions need to get better at recruiting.
I would also add to that they all became significantly better players in the Canterbury culture. From all reports I hear Maitland was a knob in Hamilton and not a particularly good player but then went to Chch and is now quality.
Fruean had his issues up here and Canterbury have turned them around.
Fruean had his issues up here and Canterbury have turned them around.
Ill give you Guilford, Dagg hasn't even played there yet. The Whitelocks all played for NZ schools but it is a significant leap up to the standard they have reached and Canterbury helped them get there.
Exactly and to help that case even Stephen Donald (Counties) and Mils (Auckland) are from out of the region. I'm sure there are more but I'm too lazy to research it.
To call Dagg an Otago product is stretching the truth, as is calling Evans an Otago product. Both of them probably kicked on there though.
Ha. Waiting now for all the Cantabs to start claiming SBW as a product of the Chch system.
Along with these guys...
Kieran Read - Rosehill College - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sean Maitland - Hamilton Boys High - Moved to Canterbury one year out of college
Sam Whitelock - Fielding Boys High - Moved to Canterbury after college
Corey Flynn - Southland Boys High - Debuted with Southland
Robbie Freuan - Porirua College - Debuted with Wellington
Israel Dagg - Lindisfarne College - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
Zac Guildford - Napier Boy's High - Debuted with Hawkes Bay
George Whitelock - Fielding Boy's High - Debuted with Otago.
I don't quite understand the point of comments like these... I don't disagree that much of Canterbury's talent has come from outside the region, but thats what happens at proffesional sport. You could go through most of the Air NZ Cup teams - particularly the big 5 - and find 5 or 6 players who weren't raised in the respective union they are playing at.
Perhaps instead of complaining, the other unions need to get better at recruiting.
Go on then. Name 5 or 6 players from Wgtn from outside the region. I can think of two. Conrad Smith (New Plymouth) and Hosea Gear (Gisborne).
Players I know that have come through the Wgtn club rugby system (without scrawling through their life histories):
Tialata, Schwalger, Ellison, Coles, Thrush, Naikatini, Vito, So'oialo, Levave, Mathewson, Weepu, Fili, Nonu, Treeby, Leiua, Jane...
The dream might be over for Southland. Once top of the table and shield holders, they have lost the shield aren't even in the semifinal places.
Granted I feel a bit sorry for them but as an Auckland supporter with my team in the semifinal race it's nice to see another team competing for the semifinal places drop out.Tricia McMillan2010-10-16 19:30:25
Granted I feel a bit sorry for them but as an Auckland supporter with my team in the semifinal race it's nice to see another team competing for the semifinal places drop out.Tricia McMillan2010-10-16 19:30:25
No Aaron Cruden, no Victor Vito. Instead we get bloody Stephen Donald. Colin Slade was much better than them both. Daniel Braid pretty much comes in for Vito. Hika Elliottt is a good player, but would have had Jason Rutledge. Hosea Gear replaces the injured Israel Dagg, SBW comes in for Benson Stanley, and one of either Joe Rokocoko or Sitiveni Sivivatu come in for the injured Richard Kahui. Ellis is a safe third option with no Piri Weepu, but I'd expect Alby Mathewson to see more game time.Luis Garcia2010-10-17 19:41:28
not enough Bay of Plenty players
Colin Bourke may have pushed for a spot, but other than him, tell me one player that is even good enough to be there?
it was a bit tongue in cheek
bourke has been really good, was hoping delaney would get picked but hasn't played to hit best. also i think retallick (sp?) has done alot for the team
bourke has been really good, was hoping delaney would get picked but hasn't played to hit best. also i think retallick (sp?) has done alot for the team
Delany if he had played a full NPC would have been picked. I dont think Braid is any better than Latimer and Masaga would make any other international team in the world. Just happens that we have about the worlds 15 best wingers.
Braid is easily better than Latimer. You're right about Masaga, but Latimer is so mediocre. Braid was outstanding for Queensland. It's a shame he still can't play in Australia and play for New Zealand.
Anesi back to the Waratahs along with Auckland winger Pakalani.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-15/4254439/Waratahs-sign-Kiwi-duo-for-Super-15
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-15/4254439/Waratahs-sign-Kiwi-duo-for-Super-15
no he's not.
luke is the better braid anyway
Come on Northland!
nah
Boo-urns. C'mon the Bay!
f**ken horrendous officiating in the bay game, the howell try should have been referd to the tmo, then he would have seen he dropped it. they have refered the last 2 northland tries, both were knock ons, but both awarded
wish these commentators would stop sperming on about northland
god i hate ian jones with a passion
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god i hate ian jones with a passion
Not as bad as Matthew Cooper. They should keep him away from Waikato games, I know he lives there, but he's so biased. For example Auckland will score, "Oh but you have to credit Richard Kahui's defensive in that previous play." Frig he annoys the hell out of me. Tony Johnson and now Justin Marshall are the only rugby commentators that I actually enjoy.
Anyone a bit sad that the semifinalists ended up being Akl, Waik, Wgtn, Cant? After a season of the underdogs it seems a bit strange not to see Southland, Naki or the Bay in there.
As unlikely as this may be, anyone have any ideas on what they will do for the final if Auckland & Wellington win (League double header at Eden Park)
and even though southland played mighty well at home they had a horror run into the last 4/5 games with at least 4 losses - still they are the strongest union in the deep south right now...
North Harbour Stadium?
I'm obviously glad Auckland made it back into the semi-finals, but it is good to see some diversity. I thoroughly enjoyed Southland holding the shield for as long as they did as well, though seeing Canterbury of all teams finally take it away from them was infuriating.
Wellington aren't even the bridesmaid this season.
5 years in the semi's in a row, 4 of those making the final and nothing to show for it.
Ouch.
5 years in the semi's in a row, 4 of those making the final and nothing to show for it.
Ouch.
Viagra are now proud sponsors of Wellington RFU. For those of us who can only achieve a semi.