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UK Kiwi wrote:
The Squad will be picked at the last moment (As usual)
 
The next U17`s is in the UAE in 2013  
Tournament date to be confirmed but expected to be Oct-Nov
 
Would suggest the Oceania Qualifiers would be Jan or March 2013
Check the Oceania Website, Calendar of Events Tab.
 Doubt whether it will be confirmed until mid to late 2012
Thanks.  Do you know how the players get picked?  Is it through the NZ football National Talent Centres?
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Stevel wrote:
UK Kiwi wrote:
The Squad will be picked at the last moment (As usual)
 
The next U17`s is in the UAE in 2013  
Tournament date to be confirmed but expected to be Oct-Nov
 
Would suggest the Oceania Qualifiers would be Jan or March 2013
Check the Oceania Website, Calendar of Events Tab.
 Doubt whether it will be confirmed until mid to late 2012
Thanks.  Do you know how the players get picked?  Is it through the NZ football National Talent Centres?
 
I'd imagine much like always it will be a series of conversations with top coaches in each region, maybe some camps or trial games, an overseas tour if they are lucky, then a buildup camp in Auckland, Oceania qualification, a further assessment and then final selection.
 
NTC won't have much/anything to do with it, except for the fact that it gets you in the shop window at the very start of the process.
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Thanks.  But the top coaches in each region include the guys overseeing the NTC's, right?  Hence your shop window comment?  Is being at NTC enough, or will these guys need to be playing in a decent competitive league?  I know Tim Payne was playing at ASB Premiership level by the time he was selected.  I guess that's not typical, but would you expect the next crop to be playing CL or equivalent next year? Stevel2011-07-12 13:50:33
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Stevel wrote:
Thanks.  But the top coaches in each region include the guys overseeing the NTC's, right?  Hence your shop window comment?[/quote]
 
Not necessarily. 
 
[quote=Stevel]Is being at NTC enough, or will these guys need to be playing in a decent competitive league?  I know Tim Payne was playing at ASB Premiership level by the time he was selected.  I guess that's not typical, but would you expect the next crop to be playing CL next year?
 
The NTC system doesn't reach, age-wise, all the way up to 17, so while it is a very early indicator of who might be heading towards selection, when it comes down to it it's pretty irrelevant. 
 
Players change so much at that age, it's really about your form and the level you're playing at right at the time when they're looking to select players.
 
If you're not in the NTC but you're playing Central League or ASB Premiership then that could well get you a look in.
 
 
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Thanks.  I know, and I'm sure you know, players who are in NTC at the moment who are trying to progress to the point of being at the next U17 World Cup.  They're playing 1st XI football now (at 15) and CF U17 league on Sundays, but interested in where they need to be in terms of playing competitive football next season in order to be realistically in the frame for NZF U17 team selection.
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      I Suggest    The Minimum is  Playing in the summer Youth League
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Stevel wrote:
Thanks.  I know, and I'm sure you know, players who are in NTC at the moment who are trying to progress to the point of being at the next U17 World Cup.  They're playing 1st XI football now (at 15) and CF U17 league on Sundays, but interested in where they need to be in terms of playing competitive football next season in order to be realistically in the frame for NZF U17 team selection.
 
Indeed.
 
In which case I think my advice would be that NTC is almost completely irrelevant (from a selection point of view...still good to be involved in).
 
I think UK Kiwi is right that as an absolute minimum you'd be expecting them to be playing National Youth League.
 
More honestly ASB Premiership would be where you'd expect them to be, even if only in the squad and not playing/starting, to give them a good chance of selection.
 
If you look at the players in Wellington who got close last time they are playing Central League or Cap Prem for their clubs, most of them starting.  And these are kids who didn't make the cut.
 
Scott Basalaj on the other hand...starting for Lower Hutt and in the TW squad.
 
Also bear in mind that kids outside Auckland are at a real, but not malicious, disadvantage.
 
Because when it comes down to it, if you've got two equally good players but one of them is in Auckland and the other isn't, the one in Auckland is more accessible for training etc, and their selection is more straightforward.
 
Which means if you're from outside of Auckland you have to be really looking at being one of the top 14 or 16 in the squad of 23 to get yourself selected.  As unfair as that may seem, that is life.
 
 
Smithy2011-07-13 13:35:14
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Well put Smithy very tactful                                                                                                                                                                                                            " Kids outside of Auckland are at a real, but not malicious disadvantage"

The past two17 squads and the current u20 squad have shown a very strong Auckland presence. When you look at the past national age group tournaments, featuring boys in the 91,92 and 93 age groups Auckalnd where dominant.  I believe this has reflected on selection.
 
Why has Auckland been dominant
Could be just a cycle
Is the coaching better?
Shall I dare say it, professional private academies providing year round training? 
Having two federations combined playing in a Metro League providing tougher competition? 
 
But yes if you want to succeed you have to put yourself in the shop window. Currently Auckland is the shop window.
 
Must be tough if you are from the South Island its been pretty bleek representation in recent times. I look forward to when Canterbury age groups are strong again . Only the Canterbury Fed can drive that and make it happen. 
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A cynic might say that it is becasue NZ Football are too cheap to fly players for opportunities when they can get them from next door.
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Hard News wrote:
A cynic might say that it is becasue NZ Football are too cheap to fly players for opportunities when they can get them from next door.


And that is why Feverish should be in charge of NZ Football.
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el grapadura wrote:
Hard News wrote:
A cynic might say that it is becasue NZ Football are too cheap to fly players for opportunities when they can get them from next door.


And that is why Feverish should be in charge of NZ Football.
thanks but I'm a bit over grab-a-seat after last year
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Feverish wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Hard News wrote:
A cynic might say that it is becasue NZ Football are too cheap to fly players for opportunities when they can get them from next door.
And that is why Feverish should be in charge of NZ Football.


thanks but I'm a bit over grab-a-seat after last year


I heard you're starting a new website grab-a-player?
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UK Kiwi wrote:

Why has Auckland been dominant

Could be just a cycle

Is the coaching better?

Shall I dare say it, professional private academies providing year round training?�

Having two federations combined playing in a Metro League providing tougher competition?�

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I think you're over-analysing.

Players in Wellington have the same full time training opportunities.

There are just more players in Auckland, so more good players, and as you or someone said, they're in the back yard, so unless a kid from Wellington or elsewhere stands out head and shoulders over a kid from just down the road, the kid from just down the road is always going to get the nod.

There's actually nothing wrong with that.

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Doloras wrote:
Holy crap, did any of you see this insane Taiwanese animation on the Steve Cain scandal?!?
 
Is there a translater out there please.
 
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hahahahaha.

click the CC button at the bottom of the youtube video window, you can put english subtitles on
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Coaches appointed for 2013 U17 World Cup Campaign

Head Coach:       Darren Bazeley  

Asistant Coach:   Willy Gersden      

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India are bidding to host the 2017 u-17 World Cup and are backed by their government  - part of a big push by FIFA and the All India Football Federation to develop the game there. Seems quite possible they will be awarded it.

2013: UAE

2015: Chile

So, if India are awarded it on Dec. 14, the Phoenix pre-season trip to India should prove useful in terms of experience gained and contacts made to pass on to NZ Football.

http://zeenews.india.com/sports/football/indian-government-backs-aiff-to-host-the-2017-u-17-football-world-cup_749319.html

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Australia has already identified its top 30 players for the 2015 U17 World Cup in Chile.

This is partly due to their qualification path via Asia, but I wonder if NZ is as active at this stage for players born 1998? 

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/joeys



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Australia has already identified its top 30 players for the 2015 U17 World Cup in Chile.

This is partly due to their qualification path via Asia, but I wonder if NZ is as active at this stage for players born 1998? 

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/joeys



Born in 1998? When did that happen? I must be getting on..
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Anyone know if there is a list of the training squad that has been selected for 2013 World Cup qualifiers?

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timmymadden wrote:

Australia has already identified its top 30 players for the 2015 U17 World Cup in Chile.

This is partly due to their qualification path via Asia, but I wonder if NZ is as active at this stage for players born 1998? 

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/joeys



Born in 1998? When did that happen? I must be getting on..

Holy crap; I feel old :(
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Was thinking it was a really good idea to have the U17's in the ASB Premiership youth League as preparation for the tournament later this year and was also wondering why this was not put into place for previous tournaments.  Then I also thought it would have been a good opportunity to have and U20's team or even 2 one in the north Island and one in the south Island enter into the ASB Premiership League.

Then I read this statement below and suddenly it all became clear, these logical things only get put into place if your son is involved in one of the teams, otherwise no one cares or helps the development of other Talented footballers in this country, am I wrong?.

"We feel this is an important component in the development of this squad for in preparation for the qualifiers for the FIFA U-17 World Cup in the UAE next year.  Entry into the ASB Youth League gives us the most cost effective preparation when compared to touring the team internationally," said NZF High Performance Manager Fred de Jong.

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Does Fred have a son near the U17s or have I missed your point?

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Who cares... good for the son and everyone else.

I'd also argue that they are now beginning to only look at this as we have become more competative so the investment in doing this sort of thing is now considered worth while.

Quick question, does NZF recieve money for youth tournaments?

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Does anyone know when this squad / wider training group is being posted? A group of "northern based players" are playing in the National Youth league, but who is in the mix from elsewhere in the country? Also seemed to be enough for another team in NZF gear watching from the sideline on Sunday

More quality comm's from NZFA

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Is your son bursting to find out?


This is NZF, there will be no grand news conference. Its what they do.

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Ross McPhie and Cory Brown from Nelson are in the team. Cory was at the Falcons game so I assume he didn't make the matchday squad. The full squad has 30 players.

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Heard there were alot of Aussie Kids at the NZ U17 camp --  

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Really? I'd never considered that would be the case at this age group level, but I suppose as long as they are eligible, why not? Not sure how they would train and play lead up games if selected though.

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Squad named to play Waikato this weekend.
Northern-based U-17 (from): 1-Zac SPEEDY (gk), 4-Nick FORRESTER, 5-Adam MITCHELL (c), 7-Andrew BLAKE, 8-Michael DEN HEIJER, 10-Matthew RIDENTON, 11-Monty PATTERSON, 14-Andre DE JONG, 15-Thomas PROBERT, 16-Meysum SHAFAHI, 17-Shannon BRADY, 18-Regont MURATI, 19-Tamupiwa DIMAIRO, 20-Vincent WIKTORA, 21-Oliver SAIL (gk), 23-Jared GIBBS
Coach: Darren BAZELEY
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Is andre de jong freds son?

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Yes surprise, surprise.

Does anyone know how many from outside the Northern Region are in the mix or have they all shifted to Auckland? Seems pretty tough to make the squad otherwise give that the Northern based kids are playing every weekend together?

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 I know #16 Meysum Shafahi *was* a canty junior rep a few years ago - bloody quality then. Whether he's still based down here is another question.

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Meysum has been at the APFA Academy in Lincoln, but has shifted north to play ASB Youth to give himself every chance of making the final cut. Noticed he hasn't transferred through Mainland's clearances pages so probably an admin error there.

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The only reason that Northern Region team exists is because of Freds input...

wonder if his weight would have been behind it if his son wasnt playing.

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But Boganville, are you saying it's NOT a good thing? Without expense of overseas tour; ideal prep I would have thought.

As to de Jong, I would only have a problem if it didn't continue for the next U17 cycle.

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Other than in 2001-2002 when they entered a U17 team just before their qualifiers - it takes another 11years for it to happen again (and if im not mistaken Kris Bright was in that team another off spring of an ex all white)

Surely only having a small demographic of the countries top kids playing together is a waste of time. (Is this current squad only made up of Auckland kids)?

Expense of an overseas tour - surely they would get more out of a tour than playing with half a squad in the youth league..

 


 

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Good point Boganville, and I assume you agree it is a good thing.  Stretford End your point of having a problem if it didnt continue for the next U17 cycle works both way, it didnt happen with the previous U17 squad. it might continue for a while then die off again ...

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