I think you need 4 Auckland teams in it. You'd get more rivalries and more coverage in the media - let's face it they could support 4 competitive teams with the population, talent and , they just might not be 1,2,3 and 4. It would hardly increase costs either Auckland is the cheapest place to get to in the country
ASB Premiership: Changes Needed Next Season
agree
I'm not condoning that those cities should have a team but I think if we are going to remote locations (and I think Masterton is a remote location based on city size of others in the country) then others are equally as worthy. While I am speculating a little bit, you mention the 'football infrastructure' JD - What home ground does Masterton have? What player base do they have? I am picking if you really looked at those questions, you would find that other cities are equally as worthy if not more so.
As I understand it, the CL team from Wairarapa is basically CL all stars that play for HBU, TW or YHM in the summer (where they live) so where would their player base be? I doubt those players would want 12 months of travel in and out of Masterton.
At least with the Nelson bid, they are talking about local players staying in the province to play so they have the 'football infrastructure' there.
I see SKY Sport have live coverage of the mens and womens South Island rugby 7s competition in Timaru. They will also have live coverage of the secondary school national sevens tournament next weekend.
I see SKY Sport have live coverage of the mens and womens South Island rugby 7s competition in Timaru. They will also have live coverage of the secondary school national sevens tournament next weekend.
I believe that there will be some sort of funding from rugby to help cover the costs of putting this on Sky TV, or part of the whole deal to have All Black coverage, ie if you cover the home tests then must also cover other events as well.
Just watching FA Cup replay of Hastings Utd. V Harogate. Look very close to ASB level, what divisions are these teams
i've been watching these games too and trying to evaluate how close they are to asb prem level
not sure what to make of it
the games are much quicker, but the skill level is possibly worse
apparently the asb prem review is still going?
would this have been running for over a year now?
if the review is taking this long, how long with the implementation take?
apparently the asb prem review is still going?
would this have been running for over a year now?
if the review is taking this long, how long with the implementation take?
God knows ....but rest assured itll be really appallingly done ./....
Glyn Taylor is in charge. A shambles from the start. A baby has more bite than him as 'league commissioner'
From Times Age article
"Coach Phil Keinzley freely concedes plans for a Wairarapa side - named Heartland Wairarapa - being accepted into the next national summer league will play a significant role in the composition of the line-up.
The outcome of that bid will probably not be known until the end of this month at the earliest, but Keinzley believes there is no time to lose in terms of finding players capable of performing at that level.
He is therefore keen to utilise Wairarapa United's Central League side as a means of trialing players who could become key components of the national league team as well.
"I think there is every reason to be positive about our national league chances ... we have done the homework and it would be very disappointing to be turned down," Keinzley said. "Right now, the focus has to be on coming up with a side which will be competitive there, and Wairarapa United is going to be a huge help in that respect.""
Wouldn't that just be Manawatu? Obviously two sides from there couldn't exist at once.
I simply don't believe Wairarapa can field a proper ASB Premiership team, it's too small. We already have Palmerston North fielding a team and they are struggling to stay afloat with little support.
However I do think Nelson should be given a chance. My preference is that Nelson and South Auckland come in next season and Manawatu and Waikato drop out as these two teams have not found a supporter base. If the competition is to be expanded then Waikato should be given another chance.
If the South Auckland franchise draws on the Auckland Fijian base it could be a real force and inject some much needed interest.
Why North Shore's many clubs can't combine is a lesson in silly local rivalries. Surely they would make an obvious fourth Auckland franchise? North Shore United was once a big national league club.
NZF needs to put some real effort and resources into its national league rather than just going through the motions. Do they even know it exists???
North Shore (NFF) are in theory represented by Waitakere City
Totally agree re:Wairarapa. Its got to be one or the other because his Wairarapa team basically takes the majority of the YHM team!!! Who is Phil actually trying to kid? YHM are already bottom of the league...
I have no issues with a SA and Nelson team coming in. The first step is to get rid of Glyn Taylor and put in a real league manager. Someone that is going to enforce league rules. He adds zero credibility to the game.
One question which I think deserves some merit: Do we want a national league, or a league of slightly better quality (which would be debatable anyway)?
Here's some thoughts I have:
Is football in Auckland really going to grow with an introduction of a third team? Players-wise, perhaps, but wouldn't those players aching for game-time just go to Waikato (Rory Turner, Jason Hicks etc)? And also, if they can't get into Auckland or Waitakere's teams, it's probably unlikely that they will be a big-time player in years to come.
Fan-wise, it will be minimal. If you are a football fan in Auckland, you have two teams you can realistically go and support (forgive me if my Auckland geography is bad). People are unlikely to all of a sudden be captured on football because a third side (or even fourth) comes into the league. However, if you take a team away from Waikato, then people from Waikato won't be able to get involved in national level football, including players, who won't have a step-up to go to after Northern League level (keep in mind Waikato have a good record with the youth). From a personal level, having Waikato FC in the region has been a huge benefit to me as a NZ football fan. Would an Aucklander benefit as much from a third Auckland team? I realise these are minor points.
While I can understand swapping out Manawatu for Nelson (who are really getting into it, looking at their paper the other day), as the quality players Manawatu have can easily find a home in Wellington or Hawke's Bay, I think bringing in more Auckland teams won't be the boost for the national game that some are expecting.
Of course, being from Waikato I can't be expected to be fully rational on this subject, just thought that these points are at least worthy of disccusion.
if we are stuck with the bones of the current competition then i would prefer to see Nelson and a 3rd Auckland team added to the current lineup. If they can financially cope then the more teams the better in my opinion (as long as their is a reasonable base of football in the area).
I think Waikato in theory should be able to put in a decent team by using local-ish players and a few ring in's - when i say decent-ish i mean they should be able to compete with the likes of Manawatu.
In Auckland the big problem about the two current franchises is their tie to their Winter clubs - i would bet there are very few people who are not either related to one of the players or who are central/waitakere city fans who support either Auckland City or Waitakere United on a regular basis. That is one of the massive drawbacks of a franchise system. The new Auckland franchise if based out south or on the shore should try very hard not to be just a winter club in disguise (ie Mangere United for example). If they can manage to connect to the clubs in their area i think a new team could build a strong fanbase and there is players who deserve a shot at national league but don't get a look in with the generally closed door policy of Waitakere and Auckland City.
if we are stuck with the bones of the current competition then i would prefer to see Nelson and a 3rd Auckland team added to the current lineup. If they can financially cope then the more teams the better in my opinion (as long as their is a reasonable base of football in the area).
I think Waikato in theory should be able to put in a decent team by using local-ish players and a few ring in's - when i say decent-ish i mean they should be able to compete with the likes of Manawatu.
In Auckland the big problem about the two current franchises is their tie to their Winter clubs - i would bet there are very few people who are not either related to one of the players or who are central/waitakere city fans who support either Auckland City or Waitakere United on a regular basis. That is one of the massive drawbacks of a franchise system. The new Auckland franchise if based out south or on the shore should try very hard not to be just a winter club in disguise (ie Mangere United for example). If they can manage to connect to the clubs in their area i think a new team could build a strong fanbase and there is players who deserve a shot at national league but don't get a look in with the generally closed door policy of Waitakere and Auckland City.
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Unfortunately it pays to have a base in ( winter ) football before you apply for one of these "franchises "...not to worry Im reasonably certain that NZF will totally F@#* up whatever decision they make....
One question which I think deserves some merit: Do we want a national league, or a league of slightly better quality (which would be debatable anyway)?
Here's some thoughts I have:
Is football in Auckland really going to grow with an introduction of a third team? Players-wise, perhaps, but wouldn't those players aching for game-time just go to Waikato (Rory Turner, Jason Hicks etc)? And also, if they can't get into Auckland or Waitakere's teams, it's probably unlikely that they will be a big-time player in years to come.
Fan-wise, it will be minimal. If you are a football fan in Auckland, you have two teams you can realistically go and support (forgive me if my Auckland geography is bad). People are unlikely to all of a sudden be captured on football because a third side (or even fourth) comes into the league. However, if you take a team away from Waikato, then people from Waikato won't be able to get involved in national level football, including players, who won't have a step-up to go to after Northern League level (keep in mind Waikato have a good record with the youth). From a personal level, having Waikato FC in the region has been a huge benefit to me as a NZ football fan. Would an Aucklander benefit as much from a third Auckland team? I realise these are minor points.
While I can understand swapping out Manawatu for Nelson (who are really getting into it, looking at their paper the other day), as the quality players Manawatu have can easily find a home in Wellington or Hawke's Bay, I think bringing in more Auckland teams won't be the boost for the national game that some are expecting.
Of course, being from Waikato I can't be expected to be fully rational on this subject, just thought that these points are at least worthy of disccusion.
I don't have a problem with Waikato having a franchise, it's just that it attracts so few spectators so it is always going to struggle to be competitive. Far better to have a more viable South Auckland franchise which good Waikato players can join. Waikato's football supporters have made it plain they're not very interested in Waikato United despite the heroic efforts of its diehard supporters. I haven't been to a ASBP game in Hamilton that has attracted more than a couple of hundred. Rotorua and Tauranga proved even worse. In one WU game in Rotorua I attended the 50-dd travelling ACFC supporters outnumbered the locals.
If the Auckland Fijian community can attract a couple of thousand spectators to big games then I'm all for them putting in for a south Auckland franchise as rumoured. It would provide a much needed extra boost to interest in the ASBP in Auckland.
North Auckland is a hotbed of football clubs but unfortunately they can't think as one and much prefer squabbling amongst themselves. It's ridiculous that Northcote, Birkenhead, Devonport and Takapuna can't get behind a North Shore franchise but they don't seem able. I think Auckland could well support four franchises, particularly as ACFC and Waitak are so close geographically.
As for Glyn Taylor - has anyone checked his pulse recently? Certainly Van Hattam and De Jong show little interest in the ASBP other than grabbing a share of the O League prize money whenever ACFC win it. Someone should go in there and boot the lot of them up the backside to wake them up. ACFC is a great example of how a successful national league set-up should be run. We should make ACFC chairman Ivan Vuksich head of NZF, then things would really happen in our national league.
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
any word of an NZ u20 team in the comp?
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
The money we all get from ACFC by winning the O League does help, but by saying that with out you their is NO National League is very rich. If you left another club will take your spot and the league will carry on as usual with mostly local players.
But in saying that I love watching you play us, as you always play football and not the kick and chase like most teams
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
having seen a few MAP home games I wouldnt bother emailing them about young players either ...unless there was a beer sculling contest in the offing ...BTW what asides , from a bad example do MAP give to their community ?
i believe that the standard of the league will improve with the addition of extra teams
the general assumption is that the standard dilutes with the addition of extra teams.
in a promotion relegation situation, i believe this would be true. however, we have created a situation where some regions are over represented (the provincial sides) and some are under represented (the big city sides).
the result being that the bottom three national league teams are arguably worse than most teams in the top half of the northern and central leagues
hence expansion in the cities would improve the league
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
having seen a few MAP home games I wouldnt bother emailing them about young players either ...unless there was a beer sculling contest in the offing ...BTW what asides , from a bad example do MAP give to their community ?
No idea mate - i'm not from MAP.
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
having seen a few MAP home games I wouldnt bother emailing them about young players either ...unless there was a beer sculling contest in the offing ...BTW what asides , from a bad example do MAP give to their community ?
No idea mate - i'm not from MAP.
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
asb prem teams are franchises, not extensions of the governing body
even though super rugby sides are owned by the nzrfu, they do fuck all for club rugby sides in their regions
in regards to youth player recruitment, i think there needs to be clarity around the youth teams. are they franchise feeders, or are the rep teams, or are they rep team run by franchises? once again, this is NZFs mess, not fault of the franchises
furthermore, because most franchises have now become winter clubs in disguise, there will always be the perception from winter rivals that central united for example are just trying to poach the best young players from their surrounding clubs by dangling the carrot of youth league games. one again, clarity is needed
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
having seen a few MAP home games I wouldnt bother emailing them about young players either ...unless there was a beer sculling contest in the offing ...BTW what asides , from a bad example do MAP give to their community ?
No idea mate - i'm not from MAP.
Yep Ellerslie - sorry i don't know where the MAP thing came from..
Unsure what will happen next season (do not think there is enough talent to increase to 10 teams) but suprised to see the final round of this season's ASB Premiership - played next weekend has one game being played Saturday: Team Welly vs Hawkes Bay and then on Sunday one game a 1pm and the other 2 with 2pm KO's, you would think all the games would be kick-off off at the same time.
ah - no thanks..
ACFC may do well for themselves and for Central but they do F all for the footballing community around them.
Example - when trials for ASB Youth teams came around - we had emails from both Waitakere and Waikato asking us to nominate players for their trials - but did we get anything from the one club representing AFF in the ASB.. ah NO..
Closed door - that's why the other AFF clubs in general couldn't give a toss about Auckland City.
Give us a break! Because ACFC puts it hands deep in its own pocket and fields a decent team in the O League the other clubs get a lifeline payout from the O League winnings each time City wins it which is shared all around. Even Van Hattam is standing at the door with his hand out for his pound of O League prizemoney flesh even though he doesn't give a stuff for his own national league.
I don't call that doing f... all for the football community around them. Without ACFC there would be no national league. That's a huge contribution!
what a load of self serving rubbish that is.
Grassroots clubs dont' get dick from any of that money - ACFC gets a pretty good share and the other franchises pick up some and NZF picks up some - Your actually proving my point by saying that your upset at giving everyone else the money you earned. If ACFC truly cared about development of Football in the AFF region the would celebrate being the bread winner for the ASB premiership - instead you see it as a burden and yes i agree if you were not to win it and bring the bacon home Waitakere or Wellington or someone else would - and back to my first point those teams do much more for their community than ACFC do.
Why don't you discuss the point i raised - how come my club who are based in the AFF region recieved emails from both Waitakere and Waikato seeking players for youth team trials and yet nothing from ACFC - I am willing to bet that ACFC didn't even bother emailing the AFF clubs as they just assumed Central had all the best youth players in Auckland?
having seen a few MAP home games I wouldnt bother emailing them about young players either ...unless there was a beer sculling contest in the offing ...BTW what asides , from a bad example do MAP give to their community ?
No idea mate - i'm not from MAP.
Yep Ellerslie - sorry i don't know where the MAP thing came from..
My bad ...tho u did seem,.... hmmm altered...?
yep fair enough - i never actually said ACFC = AFF although i can see i may have implied it - i was simply saying in terms of location to my club which is in the AFF region that ACFC would be the logical destination for any players who were good enough for the next level.
Back to my first point (ages ago) which was about another asb franchise in Auckland - i was trying to say that for me to be that 3rd Auckland team to be successful they need to tap into the clubs in the area they decide to base themselves in (which is something ACFC do not do).
I challenge your point about Super Rugby teams - i suspect without actual evidence that most of the Super Rugby teams are quite involved in their local community and would certainly be tapping into players from their regions local club league - because they are in truth real franchises with no tie to club rugby - the ASB Premiership teams are just like you suggested, winter teams in disguise.
Further to my above point though - I wouldn't mind if a player who was recruited for ASB youth league was signed by Central if they deemed him good enough, as long as the player was recruited honestly (let's not go into that now) then good on the guy for taking a step up. My main issue is that as a club in the same region as ACFC we cant even get them to have a look at any of our players, they don't show any interest - they don't liaise with clubs about anything which might make us feel like supporting what should be our local national league team...
We have had one player from our club play ASB premiership (with Waikato) but was scouted during the NRFL by Waitakere, Waikato, Hawkes Bay, and Manawatu and had interest from Otago - i'm not saying ACFC should have signed him but they didn't even bother looking at what 5 other ASB premiership teams considered national league material. We do currently have a player in the ACFC youth setup but it wasn't because they came looking for him - it's because they saw him in a NZ U20's game and added him to their squad - might be splitting hairs as i am happy he got the chance but the process seems all wrong when other ASB teams are tapping into local resources.
FU Blu
Sorry i don't remember mentioning MAP at all.
yep fair enough - i never actually said ACFC = AFF although i can see i may have implied it - i was simply saying in terms of location to my club which is in the AFF region that ACFC would be the logical destination for any players who were good enough for the next level.
Back to my first point (ages ago) which was about another asb franchise in Auckland - i was trying to say that for me to be that 3rd Auckland team to be successful they need to tap into the clubs in the area they decide to base themselves in (which is something ACFC do not do).
I challenge your point about Super Rugby teams - i suspect without actual evidence that most of the Super Rugby teams are quite involved in their local community and would certainly be tapping into players from their regions local club league - because they are in truth real franchises with no tie to club rugby - the ASB Premiership teams are just like you suggested, winter teams in disguise.
Further to my above point though - I wouldn't mind if a player who was recruited for ASB youth league was signed by Central if they deemed him good enough, as long as the player was recruited honestly (let's not go into that now) then good on the guy for taking a step up. My main issue is that as a club in the same region as ACFC we cant even get them to have a look at any of our players, they don't show any interest - they don't liaise with clubs about anything which might make us feel like supporting what should be our local national league team...
We have had one player from our club play ASB premiership (with Waikato) but was scouted during the NRFL by Waitakere, Waikato, Hawkes Bay, and Manawatu and had interest from Otago - i'm not saying ACFC should have signed him but they didn't even bother looking at what 5 other ASB premiership teams considered national league material. We do currently have a player in the ACFC youth setup but it wasn't because they came looking for him - it's because they saw him in a NZ U20's game and added him to their squad - might be splitting hairs as i am happy he got the chance but the process seems all wrong when other ASB teams are tapping into local resources.
This is a more reasoned argument than your previous anti-ACFC rant.
True ACFC draws almost exclusively from Central United, or visa versa but lets be honest. ACFC is a not a feeder franchise for surrounding clubs, it's the child of Central United and its Croatian/NZ backers. That's also part of its strength, like Hawkes Bay United being largely Napier City Rovers.. Getting local clubs to co-operate is often a nightmare, which is why Auckland's small-minded north shore clubs can't even think about entering the ASBP.
While I think ACFC is drawing too heavily now on foreign imports and would like to see more promising local youngsters get a chance I also know that none of the other frachises, other than Waitakere and perhaps Canterbury, could even compete in the O League and that is the major focus of ACFC. If a NZ club doesn't win the O League and its infusion of Fifa prizemoney I think the whole ASBP is in doubt because NZF certainly doesn't put it hand in its pocket for its own national league.
I understand that it costs ACFC over $30,000 a season just to compete in the O League, even with Fifa assistance. Then to make a game of it at the Club World Cup the club has to spend even more for its team to go to Japan and prepare (or Morocco this year). It's a very expensive excercise from which the whole ASBP benefits financially.
So before you knock ACFC take a look at how they've invested heavily in time and money to ensure NZ has a truly competitive team in the O League and the Club World Cup. None of the other franchises can do that, as evidence by Waitakere being knocked out of the O League final by Hekare which was a financial disaster for the whole ASBP. Successive seasons of no NZ club winning the O league would spell the end of the ASBP.
I don't really agree (surprise surprise) the waitakere thing was an aboration in my opinion.
You say you have built a team capable of winning the O-league and so bringing much needed revenue for the league - a very noble quest - however i don't think it's that simple - i think primarly it's ACFC's focus to try and win games at the Club World Cup and to that end it's a much less noble quest.
You say no-one could win the O-League except for ACFC - but your not even the best ASB Premiership team in the league this year?
All these things are basically immaterial - you said in your comment that getting local clubs to co-operate is a nightmare - so i guess that means it's ok not to try when others clearly are - even if it's only to spread their scouting net a little further. It's obvious but i will bring it up anyway - if an Ellerslie AFC player ended up signing and playing for Waitakere it's not stupid to suggest that Waitakere would then be very well supported by Ellerslie - i'm not saying sign substandard players just to involve other clubs but by not even looking ACFC is just making it hard for anyone outside Central to give two rats about ACFC or the ASB Premiership in general.
You say no-one could win the O-League except for ACFC - but your not even the best ASB Premiership team in the league this year?
What is the world coming to when you can't even buy a league title? It's a disgrace.
You say no-one could win the O-League except for ACFC - but your not even the best ASB Premiership team in the league this year?
Maybe so but the two seasons prior to this ACFC have won the O=League which also featured Waitakere.
I don't really agree (surprise surprise) the waitakere thing was an aboration in my opinion.
You say you have built a team capable of winning the O-league and so bringing much needed revenue for the league - a very noble quest - however i don't think it's that simple - i think primarly it's ACFC's focus to try and win games at the Club World Cup and to that end it's a much less noble quest.
You say no-one could win the O-League except for ACFC - but your not even the best ASB Premiership team in the league this year?
All these things are basically immaterial - you said in your comment that getting local clubs to co-operate is a nightmare - so i guess that means it's ok not to try when others clearly are - even if it's only to spread their scouting net a little further. It's obvious but i will bring it up anyway - if an Ellerslie AFC player ended up signing and playing for Waitakere it's not stupid to suggest that Waitakere would then be very well supported by Ellerslie - i'm not saying sign substandard players just to involve other clubs but by not even looking ACFC is just making it hard for anyone outside Central to give two rats about ACFC or the ASB Premiership in general.
But if you look at Central's regular intake of new players they get players from other Auckland clubs, and this sets them on the doorstep of ACFC, so your argument doesn't hold much water. Central United is open to any good Auckland player.
Lets be honest - a franchise like ACFC or Waitakere taking on a player from say Ellerslie - would have little or no impact on attracting extra Ellerslie football supporters to watch the ASBP other than those who already do. The leading club in the league at the monent is struggling to get more than a couple of hundred to Fred Taylor Park. Only ACFC has a decent supporter base who turn out.
You say no-one could win the O-League except for ACFC - but your not even the best ASB Premiership team in the league this year?
Maybe so but the two seasons prior to this ACFC have won the O=League which also featured Waitakere.