As a player he was amazing. In Pele's top 125 footballers ever. As a coach? Hmmmm
http://www.examiner.com/article/pachuca-releases-hugo-sanchez
Ernie Merrick - former Phoenix manager
So all the players will now have to learn Spanish .
So all the players will now have to learn Spanish .
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Pep was pretty good, 47 caps for Spain
Hugo Sánchez Márquez (born July 11, 1958), popularly nicknamed Pentapichichi, or Hugol, is a Mexican footballcoach and former striker. He played for four European clubs, including Real Madrid. He was also a member of theMexico national team, and participated in three World Cups.
Sanchez played in two World Cups as far as I remember.
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Cruyff? Beckenbauer? Zagallo? And like Bullion said, Guardiola too just recently. Just off the top of my head.
article here Phoenix Seek the right man for the job
"An advert for the vacant head coaching position was placed on the job website this week, a move which was greeted with some amusement on social media."
Really?
I'm now going for Ernie Clucks
#sackLeeNorfolk
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Michael Laudrup
As a player he was amazing. In Pele's top 125 footballers ever. As a coach? Hmmmm
http://www.examiner.com/article/pachuca-releases-hugo-sanchez
He's not of sufficient calibre to have my team under his wing, thats for sure
#voteErnieClucks #sackLeeNorfolk
How many YFers are applying for the Phoenix head coach job???
Be surprised if the Phoenix didn't have 2 or 3 options sorted already. None of whose names will have leaked anywhere, and are unlikely to. The owners need immediate impact, so odds are it will be an A league former coach, a current A League assistant coach or Oz youth. You can rule out any NZ connections now. The current squad minus Herbert shows the nucleus of signed up players for next year has some spirit and ability without the previous stress and strains. A League knowledge is critical. Outside chance the right foreigner could do of IF Greenacre is retained as assistant coach, which he deserves to be. But history suggests too much risk for non-A league familiar options. The word I've just heard from Melbourne is Muscat.
As a player he was amazing. In Pele's top 125 footballers ever. As a coach? Hmmmm
http://www.examiner.com/article/pachuca-releases-hugo-sanchez
He's not of sufficient calibre to have my team under his wing, thats for sure
#voteErnieClucks #sackLeeNorfolk
Its hard to say really. Comparing coaches records in overseas leagues and then trying to translate that into how well said coach may do in the A-League is pretty difficult. We're hardly playing in a mesmerising competition, something a little different to the norm could be all thats needed.
Who would we rather gamble on? Coaches like Hugo Sanchez or a kiwi with little experience? Tough decision.
Be surprised if the Phoenix didn't have 2 or 3 options sorted already. None of whose names will have leaked anywhere, and are unlikely to. The owners need immediate impact, so odds are it will be an A league former coach, a current A League assistant coach or Oz youth. You can rule out any NZ connections now. The current squad minus Herbert shows the nucleus of signed up players for next year has some spirit and ability without the previous stress and strains. A League knowledge is critical. Outside chance the right foreigner could do of IF Greenacre is retained as assistant coach, which he deserves to be. But history suggests too much risk for non-A league familiar options. The word I've just heard from Melbourne is Muscat.
bahhahaha youre joking right?.... sauce??
#MuscatOut banners at the ready.
Oz journo mate.
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Obviously not much thought gone into your comment.
Glen Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Graeme Sourness, Billy Wright, Robert Mancini just to name a few. There are more than likely hundreds of others.
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Obviously not much thought gone into your comment.
Glen Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Graeme Souness, Billy Wright, Robert Mancini just to name a few. There are more than likely hundreds of others.
Not a good manager.
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Cruyff? Beckenbauer? Zagallo? And like Bullion said, Guardiola too just recently. Just off the top of my head.
Mancini, Capello, Dalglish, Ancelloti,
Zola and Poyet aren't doing to bad for themselves. Especially Poyet.
One Sanchez is enough...
Ricki Herbert....
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Obviously not much thought gone into your comment.
Glen Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Graeme Souness, Billy Wright, Robert Mancini just to name a few. There are more than likely hundreds of others.
Not a good manager.
Definition of a good manager is probably debatable, but he did have some success.
I did play with a Scots bloke in Auckland that did know Sourness in Scotland and said he was a prick. However am unable to confirm that.
Former Real Madrid star Hugo Sanchez heads a list of applicants for the coaching position at A-League side Wellington Phoenix, ESPN understands.
This is very interesting, high risk move you'd say but potential to step things up a notch. A lot would depend on how he was able to adapt to working with, let's be charitable here, less technically able players...partly it's going to be about fit
Part of me says brilliant, go for it. Great football experience far beyond anything we've seen in NZ previously, part of me thinks this has car crash written all over it.
Criticising him for a less than stellar spell with Mexico national team is a little rich - that's a very high level we're talking about. Ricki was coach of NZ, gets loads of criticism but no-one doubted that he was in the right ballpark in terms of experience to coach the Phoenix.
With the salary cap and loads of travel involved, only league similar to the A-League is the MLS. Maybe we should look to pick up a coach with MLS experience?
Nelsen?
Former Real Madrid star Hugo Sanchez heads a list of applicants for the coaching position at A-League side Wellington Phoenix, ESPN understands.
This is very interesting, high risk move you'd say but potential to step things up a notch. A lot would depend on how he was able to adapt to working with, let's be charitable here, less technically able players...partly it's going to be about fit
Part of me says brilliant, go for it. Great football experience far beyond anything we've seen in NZ previously, part of me thinks this has car crash written all over it.
Criticising him for a less than stellar spell with Mexico national team is a little rich - that's a very high level we're talking about. Ricki was coach of NZ, gets loads of criticism but no-one doubted that he was in the right ballpark in terms of experience to coach the Phoenix.
This guy is the type that of manager that Sydney would buy.
We'd all be sceptical about his appointment, and then laugh when it blow up in their face.
With the salary cap and loads of travel involved, only league similar to the A-League is the MLS. Maybe we should look to pick up a coach with MLS experience?
Former Real Madrid star Hugo Sanchez heads a list of applicants for the coaching position at A-League side Wellington Phoenix, ESPN understands.
This is very interesting, high risk move you'd say but potential to step things up a notch. A lot would depend on how he was able to adapt to working with, let's be charitable here, less technically able players...partly it's going to be about fit
Part of me says brilliant, go for it. Great football experience far beyond anything we've seen in NZ previously, part of me thinks this has car crash written all over it.
Criticising him for a less than stellar spell with Mexico national team is a little rich - that's a very high level we're talking about. Ricki was coach of NZ, gets loads of criticism but no-one doubted that he was in the right ballpark in terms of experience to coach the Phoenix.
In the context of the very good post about Marketing you made earlier JD, I feel like this would be a bad move. After the initial splash of publicity this could go pear-shaped very quickly. Even an Aussie seems more likely to understand the unique position of the Nix in the A-League and NZ sport.
Can you explain to me this fixation with 'understanding the unique position of the Nix...." stuff? Why do you think its so important? How much did, say, Wenge know about Arsenal and it's unique position in English football before he got the job? and a million other examples. You've putting waaaaay too much emphasis on this type of thing.
Former Real Madrid star Hugo Sanchez heads a list of applicants for the coaching position at A-League side Wellington Phoenix, ESPN understands.
This is very interesting, high risk move you'd say but potential to step things up a notch. A lot would depend on how he was able to adapt to working with, let's be charitable here, less technically able players...partly it's going to be about fit
Part of me says brilliant, go for it. Great football experience far beyond anything we've seen in NZ previously, part of me thinks this has car crash written all over it.
Criticising him for a less than stellar spell with Mexico national team is a little rich - that's a very high level we're talking about. Ricki was coach of NZ, gets loads of criticism but no-one doubted that he was in the right ballpark in terms of experience to coach the Phoenix.
In the context of the very good post about Marketing you made earlier JD, I feel like this would be a bad move. After the initial splash of publicity this could go pear-shaped very quickly. Even an Aussie seems more likely to understand the unique position of the Nix in the A-League and NZ sport.
I actually do agree - it'd be like appointing Maradona to coach blackburn rovers. You know it's not a good idea, but it'd be a lot of fun so you hope it might work and fool yourself. We're not ready for this coach
With the salary cap and loads of travel involved, only league similar to the A-League is the MLS. Maybe we should look to pick up a coach with MLS experience?
Yep, Sanchez is that man, having played in the inaugral season of MLS for Dallas in 1996 (25 games/ 11 goals) near the end of his playing career and actually spending two seasons early in his career for San Diego Sockers in the old NASL (32 games/ 26 goals). So, three seasons in US football...
Has only a modest over-all coaching record so far though:
Team Nat From To G W L D Win % GF GA +/-
UNAM1 
2000 2005 202 89 63 50 44.06% 328 295 +33
Club Necaxa 2006 2006 7 2 4 1 28.57% 8 11 -3
Mexico 2006 2008 26 13 9 4 50% 45 32 +13
Almería 
2009 2009 17 6 4 7 35.29% 5 6 -1
Career: G: 252 W:110 L:80 D:62 Win%: 43.65% GF:386 GA:344 GD: +42
TeamNatFromTo
Some good results like taking Mexico to third place in the 2007 Copa America (beating Brazil on the way) seem to have been followed by a fair amount of mediocrity at national and club level, a pattern throughout his coaching career.
Some critical comments on his very informative Wikipedia page (a well-researched one):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_S%C3%A1nchez
" During his coaching career especially, Sánchez has been known for his volatile temperament and willingness to speak candidly, often expressing strong emotions and opinions, a trait that engenders equally emotional and strong responses from those he criticizes. He has a long-standing feud between with former Mexican National Coach, Ricardo La Volpe.
...Many analysts claim that Sánchez's first year as the national coach has resulted in a Mexican team with poor soccer variants, null collective game, tactic stiffness, and lack of strategy. A significant proportion of the press agree that this situation has reached a point of no return with the U-23 elimination from the Pre Olympic tournament... On March 31 2008, Hugo Sánchez was fired from the Mexican team via a 16-2 vote from the main leaders of the sixteen First Division Club Owners."
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Still, as JD says above, would be fun to see how it turns out with a world legend like Sanchez in charge of our more modest team - even if he only lasts a short time...
Normally, if they were average footballers, they make a good manager. Good footballers never have. I can't think of any right now anyway.....
Cruyff? Beckenbauer? Zagallo? And like Bullion said, Guardiola too just recently. Just off the top of my head.
Mancini, Capello, Dalglish, Ancelloti,
Jupp Heynkes, Matthias Sammer, Juergen Klinsmann.
But I was reading that how the coaching system works, there a few really good coaches in the lower leagues in Europe that never get the chance to coach a big teams because they never played in top teams. To much fear. Here is an example that this can work. Thomas Tuchel
Imagine the Welnix hired that guy? Nobody knows him, outcry! Check his result as coach. And see check how long he is at the same club. See his age, he must do something right.
I do think there's such a thing as being over-qualified.
You wouldn't ask Marco Pierre White to manage a McDonalds.
The new coach needs to be a good fit with the club. That's not necessarily the most qualified candidate on paper.
We need someone like the coach of Borussia Dortmund. Not THAT guy obviously, but someone with a similar mentality. Good article in Four Four Two for anyone wondering where I plucked that one from...
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Some critical comments on his very informative Wikipedia page (a well-researched one):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_S%C3%A1nchez
" During his coaching career especially, Sánchez has been known for his volatile temperament and willingness to speak candidly, often expressing strong emotions and opinions, a trait that engenders equally emotional and strong responses from those he criticizes. (---)
If we wanted a coach with mediocre results and volatile temperament we could simply go for John Kosmina who ticks both these boxes.