ASB Premiership: Changes Needed Next Season

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james dean wrote:

On a practical level who decides which team a player plays for?  If you can get paid to play for ACFC but you get picked by the U20s do you have to play for them?  Or you live in Wellington - will it be compulsory if you're selected for the U20s to play for them.  What about guys in the Phoenix academy - the whole set up is meant to be a JV with Team Wellington but they should be in Wellington so they can train with the Phoenix, do those players now have to go and play for the U20s?


It's basic things like this that should be part of any announcement


Common sense. Use your brain.

U20s will get full priority here.

Who decides which team the player plays for.. Um maybe the player himself?

If selected for the U20s will it be compulsory - is it compulsory to play for every rep side you make? No. But if you're good enough why would you turn that down?


The only grey area is Phoenix Academy/NZ U20 

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Luis Garcia wrote:

james dean wrote:

On a practical level who decides which team a player plays for?  If you can get paid to play for ACFC but you get picked by the U20s do you have to play for them?  Or you live in Wellington - will it be compulsory if you're selected for the U20s to play for them.  What about guys in the Phoenix academy - the whole set up is meant to be a JV with Team Wellington but they should be in Wellington so they can train with the Phoenix, do those players now have to go and play for the U20s?


It's basic things like this that should be part of any announcement


Common sense. Use your brain.

U20s will get full priority here.

Who decides which team the player plays for.. Um maybe the player himself?

If selected for the U20s will it be compulsory - is it compulsory to play for every rep side you make? No. But if you're good enough why would you turn that down?


The only grey area is Phoenix Academy/NZ U20 


You say it's up to the player - but will the player get picked for the U20s if they decide to stay in Wellington and play for TW?  NZF isn't going to set up this team and then have a second rate set of players are they - the whole point of this is that all of the players play together as much as possible.

And the Phoenix Academy vs the U20s - this surely undermines exactly what the Phoenix are trying to do by having those guys in Wellington.
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james dean wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

james dean wrote:

On a practical level who decides which team a player plays for?  If you can get paid to play for ACFC but you get picked by the U20s do you have to play for them?  Or you live in Wellington - will it be compulsory if you're selected for the U20s to play for them.  What about guys in the Phoenix academy - the whole set up is meant to be a JV with Team Wellington but they should be in Wellington so they can train with the Phoenix, do those players now have to go and play for the U20s?


It's basic things like this that should be part of any announcement


Common sense. Use your brain.

U20s will get full priority here.

Who decides which team the player plays for.. Um maybe the player himself?

If selected for the U20s will it be compulsory - is it compulsory to play for every rep side you make? No. But if you're good enough why would you turn that down?


The only grey area is Phoenix Academy/NZ U20 


You say it's up to the player - but will the player get picked for the U20s if they decide to stay in Wellington and play for TW?  NZF isn't going to set up this team and then have a second rate set of players are they - the whole point of this is that all of the players play together as much as possible.

And the Phoenix Academy vs the U20s - this surely undermines exactly what the Phoenix are trying to do by having those guys in Wellington.

I think the inclusion of the Under20 team in the ASBP is nonsense and makes a mockery of the national league. Another indication that NZF don't take it seriously. We should have had a team from South Auckland or Nelson to replace Manawatu.

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 In terms of the Under 20 World Cup being a bigger picture than the ASB Premiership, I'm happy seeing NZ Under-20's replacing Manawatu - as long as they show willing to actually try to win their games.

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Lighten up FFS, how on earth does the dropping of YHM and the introduction of the U20 team suddenly turn the premiership into a practise kick about? Unlike some of you whingers I actually enjoy ASB football. You know why I enjoy it? because I actually go and watch the football rather than to bitch and moan about the good old days [and I played in the National League] or to compare it to non league football in England or any other type of BS. I see players from the ASB now playing in the English Championship, German League, A League and some pretty good local players and imports. I enjoy having a beer at half time and before and after home games and occasionally mixing with visiting fans, coaches and players. For a dose of higher football I go to Wellington/Auckland/Palmy and watch the Nix, on the very rare occasion I'll watch an EPL game on TV. Some people would moan if their arse was on fire.....

Yes NP I too enjoy ASB football and have been to every ground in the country following my team under the pathetic illusion I was supporting football in this country......but ended up a whinger.  So tell me Oh holier than thou what other national football league has 'promoted' their U-20's into their premier league........or do you think NZF is so far ahead of it's time they know better?
I simply don't see how putting the 20s into the league denigrates it at all, people are even saying they'll probably bebetter than YHM. What do you think NZF's motivation is for this then?
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reg22 wrote:

Of course a point of view, and I'm giving you mine. I'm calling it whinging because that's what it is, not because I disagree with you. So if you've finished crying, go away and leave us adults alone to drink out of our half full glasses.



coming on here and telling people how to behave doesn't sound like much of a glass half full existence to me
lighten up buddy, no one is telling you how to behave, I'm calling you out for being a whinger that's all. I suspect you won't change no matter how highly I might rate my powers of observation. edit: sorry powers of persuasion
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Trueblue wrote:

james dean wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

james dean wrote:

On a practical level who decides which team a player plays for?  If you can get paid to play for ACFC but you get picked by the U20s do you have to play for them?  Or you live in Wellington - will it be compulsory if you're selected for the U20s to play for them.  What about guys in the Phoenix academy - the whole set up is meant to be a JV with Team Wellington but they should be in Wellington so they can train with the Phoenix, do those players now have to go and play for the U20s?


It's basic things like this that should be part of any announcement


Common sense. Use your brain.

U20s will get full priority here.

Who decides which team the player plays for.. Um maybe the player himself?

If selected for the U20s will it be compulsory - is it compulsory to play for every rep side you make? No. But if you're good enough why would you turn that down?


The only grey area is Phoenix Academy/NZ U20 


You say it's up to the player - but will the player get picked for the U20s if they decide to stay in Wellington and play for TW?  NZF isn't going to set up this team and then have a second rate set of players are they - the whole point of this is that all of the players play together as much as possible.

And the Phoenix Academy vs the U20s - this surely undermines exactly what the Phoenix are trying to do by having those guys in Wellington.

I think the inclusion of the Under20 team in the ASBP is nonsense and makes a mockery of the national league. Another indication that NZF don't take it seriously. We should have had a team from South Auckland or Nelson to replace Manawatu.

in support of your position, it's been your catch cry for a while and NZF doesn't take it seriously. I listed a few but there is also the 3 to 2 round thing as well. NZF do have a Mickey Mouse leader in Kavanagh and getting rid of Glyn was just the start. FDJ as high performance director??? Jobs for the boys has never rung so louder in its life. The leadership of the organisation is a shambles and I objectively ask 'is there anyone high quality within the outfit?'. Now would be a good time for someone to throw names at this question and show me there is (Let's not include team coaches)


Back to the topic, I kinda fall back to that the league is fit for our purposes here and should not be a compared to elsewhere. It provides a purpose in having 'top flight football'. The argument of U20 v YHM is the red herring because even if the U20s finish last, would that have been any different to YHM? At least there is more benefit in having U20s there than YHM. JD rightly points out if NZF have actually thought out 'how' this will work. I seriously doubt it.

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I agree with everything JV has said, there are too many people here with utopian ideals for our league, we are not one of the best 30 or so leagues in the world, we shouldn't be being compared to fully professional leagues. Manawatu's good players will be picked up by the likes of TW or Hawke's Bay, and now there's just an additional pathway for the young talent on show - in the big picture sense it should have a positive impact on NZ Football.

As for the logistics of the whole Under 20's v Phoenix Academy v ASB Prem sides aspect, I guess we have to hope that there are either rules and restrictions already made or still to be made.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

james dean wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

james dean wrote:

On a practical level who decides which team a player plays for?  If you can get paid to play for ACFC but you get picked by the U20s do you have to play for them?  Or you live in Wellington - will it be compulsory if you're selected for the U20s to play for them.  What about guys in the Phoenix academy - the whole set up is meant to be a JV with Team Wellington but they should be in Wellington so they can train with the Phoenix, do those players now have to go and play for the U20s?


It's basic things like this that should be part of any announcement


Common sense. Use your brain.

U20s will get full priority here.

Who decides which team the player plays for.. Um maybe the player himself?

If selected for the U20s will it be compulsory - is it compulsory to play for every rep side you make? No. But if you're good enough why would you turn that down?


The only grey area is Phoenix Academy/NZ U20 


You say it's up to the player - but will the player get picked for the U20s if they decide to stay in Wellington and play for TW?  NZF isn't going to set up this team and then have a second rate set of players are they - the whole point of this is that all of the players play together as much as possible.

And the Phoenix Academy vs the U20s - this surely undermines exactly what the Phoenix are trying to do by having those guys in Wellington.

I think the inclusion of the Under20 team in the ASBP is nonsense and makes a mockery of the national league. Another indication that NZF don't take it seriously. We should have had a team from South Auckland or Nelson to replace Manawatu.

in support of your position, it's been your catch cry for a while and NZF doesn't take it seriously. I listed a few but there is also the 3 to 2 round thing as well. NZF do have a Mickey Mouse leader in Kavanagh and getting rid of Glyn was just the start. FDJ as high performance director??? Jobs for the boys has never rung so louder in its life. The leadership of the organisation is a shambles and I objectively ask 'is there anyone high quality within the outfit?'. Now would be a good time for someone to throw names at this question and show me there is (Let's not include team coaches)



Bev Preistman...... i'm joking by the way.

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on the "how will this work?" question.... national/academy sides in football and other sports in NZ regularly relocate players to places like auckland, so that concept is not new. as a player, its a choice you need to make if you're lucky enough to be considered, you make the decision based on whats best for you under the circumstances. while its probably best to work reasonably closely with academies like the nix one, nzf need to look after what they control rather than to allow outside organisations to have too much of an effect on them. once again, a nix academy player can make a choice - if they are good enough they could play at the nix and still get selected for the wc, there simply aren't enough players in that category to stop nzf from running this new concept. a place to play will be easy enough to find i' m sure. supporters? who knows, most clubs have bugger all anyway. I'll go and watch them play my team because i support my team and make an extra effort because of the young talent in the side, much in the same way as i've done in previous years when going to watch auckland city and their foreigners.

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reg22 wrote:

Of course a point of view, and I'm giving you mine. I'm calling it whinging because that's what it is, not because I disagree with you. So if you've finished crying, go away and leave us adults alone to drink out of our half full glasses.



coming on here and telling people how to behave doesn't sound like much of a glass half full existence to me
lighten up buddy, no one is telling you how to behave, I'm calling you out for being a whinger that's all. I suspect you won't change no matter how highly I might rate my powers of observation. edit: sorry powers of persuasion


thanks for the enlightenment; i wasn't aware that not agreeing with a decision constituted whinging.  but thanks to you i can now adjust my behaviour and wave my poms poms around at every NZF decision.
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on the "how will this work?" question.... national/academy sides in football and other sports in NZ regularly relocate players to places like auckland, so that concept is not new. as a player, its a choice you need to make if you're lucky enough to be considered, you make the decision based on whats best for you under the circumstances. while its probably best to work reasonably closely with academies like the nix one, nzf need to look after what they control rather than to allow outside organisations to have too much of an effect on them. once again, a nix academy player can make a choice - if they are good enough they could play at the nix and still get selected for the wc, there simply aren't enough players in that category to stop nzf from running this new concept. a place to play will be easy enough to find i' m sure. supporters? who knows, most clubs have bugger all anyway. I'll go and watch them play my team because i support my team and make an extra effort because of the young talent in the side, much in the same way as i've done in previous years when going to watch auckland city and their foreigners.


Because of course Hawke's Bay Utd/NCR and Wellington Phoenix and whatever other teams you claim to support have never had any foreign players have they??!!
Idiot!!
Good to see the xenophobic attitude of a small group in Napier hasnt changed down there since the days of the abuse directed at Prince Quansah and Ki Hyung Lee.
Paul Temple would be creaming himself tweeting about that!! 
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Cripes, talk about an colossal overreaction to a thrown-in comment which could have very easily been complimentary to City's brand of football and talent....

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Will there be another Wellington development v ASBP Teams next year, or will they play all but Otago again??? The players were looking forward to playing them last summer due to no money from the Nix to fly them down. Piss poor in my book

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Interesting piece in the paper with McKavanagh arguing it will provide up to 40 games for the side before the under 20 world cup in 2015 as opposed to the half a dozen it would without being in the ASBP but I ask this...how many times has a NZ  youth side changed following an Oceania tourny prior to a World Cup and if other players come along playing at the other 7 clubs that prove to be better do they get picked or does NZF stick with the bunch they have? 


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R&C wrote:

on the "how will this work?" question.... national/academy sides in football and other sports in NZ regularly relocate players to places like auckland, so that concept is not new. as a player, its a choice you need to make if you're lucky enough to be considered, you make the decision based on whats best for you under the circumstances. while its probably best to work reasonably closely with academies like the nix one, nzf need to look after what they control rather than to allow outside organisations to have too much of an effect on them. once again, a nix academy player can make a choice - if they are good enough they could play at the nix and still get selected for the wc, there simply aren't enough players in that category to stop nzf from running this new concept. a place to play will be easy enough to find i' m sure. supporters? who knows, most clubs have bugger all anyway. I'll go and watch them play my team because i support my team and make an extra effort because of the young talent in the side, much in the same way as i've done in previous years when going to watch auckland city and their foreigners.

Because of course Hawke's Bay Utd/NCR and Wellington Phoenix and whatever other teams you claim to support have never had any foreign players have they??!!
Idiot!!
Good to see the xenophobic attitude of a small group in Napier hasnt changed down there since the days of the abuse directed at Prince Quansah and Ki Hyung Lee.
Paul Temple would be creaming himself tweeting about that!! 
What a wanker you are... As it happens I made an effort to go and see the foreigners playing for Auckland City because it was an attractive proposition to me. The same way I went and saw Mick Channon and Trevor Brooking playing in the National League. Even going to watch Mt Wellington play when I didn't play for them. Talk about strike a nerve, a little bit precious aren't we? Just so you know, I'm not a NCR supporter, but know what? I like to go and watch them play and see the likes of Jarrod Smith or some of the Island boys at Wairarapa Utd or watch them play Caversham because we don't get the opportunity to see them much.
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tripvincent wrote:

Interesting piece in the paper with McKavanagh arguing it will provide up to 40 games for the side before the under 20 world cup in 2015 as opposed to the half a dozen it would without being in the ASBP but I ask this...how many times has a NZ  youth side changed following an Oceania tourny prior to a World Cup and if other players come along playing at the other 7 clubs that prove to be better do they get picked or does NZF stick with the bunch they have? 

You'd pick the best players regardless wouldn't you? I can see some players won't move to Auckland because they can't [students that can't transfer their degree studies to an Auckland University as an example or with a sick family member etc]. It would be fair to say that most will be selected from the playing team though with the odd exception added - remembering that there may be good enough players based overseas at clubs and US colleges too.
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this is all a big plus for the under 20s.  most recent locally-based under 20 sides would have done well in recent national leagues and i expect next season's lot to be competitive, but obviously some way off waitak and auckland. 

in terms of team cohesion, it would obviously be best to have the best u20 players on board with this team.  at the moment, the top sides infrequently feature players who would be eligible for this team; therefore most would be better off moving away from their franchise.  others who won't be regular starters for the under 20's would obviously be better off playing for their franchise.  i'm sure this whole thing will iron itself out on a player by player basis

depth/backup could possibly also be provided by the under 17s.

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R&C wrote:

on the "how will this work?" question.... national/academy sides in football and other sports in NZ regularly relocate players to places like auckland, so that concept is not new. as a player, its a choice you need to make if you're lucky enough to be considered, you make the decision based on whats best for you under the circumstances. while its probably best to work reasonably closely with academies like the nix one, nzf need to look after what they control rather than to allow outside organisations to have too much of an effect on them. once again, a nix academy player can make a choice - if they are good enough they could play at the nix and still get selected for the wc, there simply aren't enough players in that category to stop nzf from running this new concept. a place to play will be easy enough to find i' m sure. supporters? who knows, most clubs have bugger all anyway. I'll go and watch them play my team because i support my team and make an extra effort because of the young talent in the side, much in the same way as i've done in previous years when going to watch auckland city and their foreigners.

Because of course Hawke's Bay Utd/NCR and Wellington Phoenix and whatever other teams you claim to support have never had any foreign players have they??!!
Idiot!!
Good to see the xenophobic attitude of a small group in Napier hasnt changed down there since the days of the abuse directed at Prince Quansah and Ki Hyung Lee.
Paul Temple would be creaming himself tweeting about that!! 
What a wanker you are... As it happens I made an effort to go and see the foreigners playing for Auckland City because it was an attractive proposition to me. The same way I went and saw Mick Channon and Trevor Brooking playing in the National League. Even going to watch Mt Wellington play when I didn't play for them. Talk about strike a nerve, a little bit precious aren't we? Just so you know, I'm not a NCR supporter, but know what? I like to go and watch them play and see the likes of Jarrod Smith or some of the Island boys at Wairarapa Utd or watch them play Caversham because we don't get the opportunity to see them much.

Takes one to know one mate!!
And good see the administrators of this site are consistent with their censorship!!

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R&C wrote:

R&C wrote:

on the "how will this work?" question.... national/academy sides in football and other sports in NZ regularly relocate players to places like auckland, so that concept is not new. as a player, its a choice you need to make if you're lucky enough to be considered, you make the decision based on whats best for you under the circumstances. while its probably best to work reasonably closely with academies like the nix one, nzf need to look after what they control rather than to allow outside organisations to have too much of an effect on them. once again, a nix academy player can make a choice - if they are good enough they could play at the nix and still get selected for the wc, there simply aren't enough players in that category to stop nzf from running this new concept. a place to play will be easy enough to find i' m sure. supporters? who knows, most clubs have bugger all anyway. I'll go and watch them play my team because i support my team and make an extra effort because of the young talent in the side, much in the same way as i've done in previous years when going to watch auckland city and their foreigners.

Because of course Hawke's Bay Utd/NCR and Wellington Phoenix and whatever other teams you claim to support have never had any foreign players have they??!!
Idiot!!
Good to see the xenophobic attitude of a small group in Napier hasnt changed down there since the days of the abuse directed at Prince Quansah and Ki Hyung Lee.
Paul Temple would be creaming himself tweeting about that!! 
What a wanker you are... As it happens I made an effort to go and see the foreigners playing for Auckland City because it was an attractive proposition to me. The same way I went and saw Mick Channon and Trevor Brooking playing in the National League. Even going to watch Mt Wellington play when I didn't play for them. Talk about strike a nerve, a little bit precious aren't we? Just so you know, I'm not a NCR supporter, but know what? I like to go and watch them play and see the likes of Jarrod Smith or some of the Island boys at Wairarapa Utd or watch them play Caversham because we don't get the opportunity to see them much.

Takes one to know one mate!!
And good see the administrators of this site are consistent with their censorship!!


Chill out guys. Lets keep it constructive! Wanker calls are too far. I argue with JV but I wouldnt go call him that...


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 R&C and Napier Phoenix are taking some time out.

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mother's day truce?

we're not all going to agree all of the time, but at least we all share passion for the local game

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The lesson there is that you get what you ask for... thanks R&C :)

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

james dean wrote:

Luis Garcia wrote:

james dean wrote:

On a practical level who decides which team a player plays for?  If you can get paid to play for ACFC but you get picked by the U20s do you have to play for them?  Or you live in Wellington - will it be compulsory if you're selected for the U20s to play for them.  What about guys in the Phoenix academy - the whole set up is meant to be a JV with Team Wellington but they should be in Wellington so they can train with the Phoenix, do those players now have to go and play for the U20s?


It's basic things like this that should be part of any announcement


Common sense. Use your brain.

U20s will get full priority here.

Who decides which team the player plays for.. Um maybe the player himself?

If selected for the U20s will it be compulsory - is it compulsory to play for every rep side you make? No. But if you're good enough why would you turn that down?


The only grey area is Phoenix Academy/NZ U20 


You say it's up to the player - but will the player get picked for the U20s if they decide to stay in Wellington and play for TW?  NZF isn't going to set up this team and then have a second rate set of players are they - the whole point of this is that all of the players play together as much as possible.

And the Phoenix Academy vs the U20s - this surely undermines exactly what the Phoenix are trying to do by having those guys in Wellington.

I think the inclusion of the Under20 team in the ASBP is nonsense and makes a mockery of the national league. Another indication that NZF don't take it seriously. We should have had a team from South Auckland or Nelson to replace Manawatu.

in support of your position, it's been your catch cry for a while and NZF doesn't take it seriously. I listed a few but there is also the 3 to 2 round thing as well. NZF do have a Mickey Mouse leader in Kavanagh and getting rid of Glyn was just the start. FDJ as high performance director??? Jobs for the boys has never rung so louder in its life. The leadership of the organisation is a shambles and I objectively ask 'is there anyone high quality within the outfit?'. Now would be a good time for someone to throw names at this question and show me there is (Let's not include team coaches)


Back to the topic, I kinda fall back to that the league is fit for our purposes here and should not be a compared to elsewhere. It provides a purpose in having 'top flight football'. The argument of U20 v YHM is the red herring because even if the U20s finish last, would that have been any different to YHM? At least there is more benefit in having U20s there than YHM. JD rightly points out if NZF have actually thought out 'how' this will work. I seriously doubt it.

No, NZF has not thought this through. If a young player is doing well for a club side but is eligible for the Under 20s then obviously he'll be under pressure to play for the NZF team, even if they can't win anything. So a good young player at ACFC (and Waitakere) will have to give up playing in the O League and Fifa Club World Cup if this Under 20 outfit wants him. It's clear NZF have made them their priority and are using the ASBP as a training ground.

So this Under 20 team, that can't win anything, will have the pick of the young players and they'll have to move to Auckland. And if anyone thinks a player can turn them down and play for their local franchise, and not earn a snub by NZF, then they're being naive.

If NZF want to give the Under 20 team game time then organize tours to Australia or Asia. It'll cost the same as funding an Under 20 team in the ASBP. And, does this team also win a chunk of the O League prizemoney, like the other ASBP franchises do? I wouldn't put it past NZF to siphon off some of the O League winnings to fund the Under 20 side in the ASBP.

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Would I rather have a chance of playing in the O League or in a World Cup? hmmmm!!!!

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The 2 questions I will like answered about the Under 20 being allowed in the ASB Premiership:

1) will they be required to pay the same entry fee as the other seven clubs / franchise

2) will NZ Football take and extra payout from the FIFA O-League payout or with it only be among the other seven clubs / franchise

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AllWhites82 wrote:


The 2 questions I will like answered about the Under 20 being allowed in the ASB Premiership:

1) will they be required to pay the same entry fee as the other seven clubs / franchise

2) will NZ Football take and extra payout from the FIFA O-League payout or with it only be among the other seven clubs / franchise

 

Also will they be relaxing the number of Youth Players required to be included on the team sheet in the ASB Premiership, as would assume the best talent, at least 20 players with be in the NZ Under 20 squad. 

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AllWhites82 wrote:


The 2 questions I will like answered about the Under 20 being allowed in the ASB Premiership:

1) will they be required to pay the same entry fee as the other seven clubs / franchise

2) will NZ Football take and extra payout from the FIFA O-League payout or with it only be among the other seven clubs / franchise

In answer to question 1, how can the u20s pay an entry fee? Wouldn't that just be NZF giving NZF money? Or have I missed something here?
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AllWhites82 wrote:


The 2 questions I will like answered about the Under 20 being allowed in the ASB Premiership:

1) will they be required to pay the same entry fee as the other seven clubs / franchise

2) will NZ Football take and extra payout from the FIFA O-League payout or with it only be among the other seven clubs / franchise

In answer to question 1, how can the u20s pay an entry fee? Wouldn't that just be NZF giving NZF money? Or have I missed something here?

The fee, (was $65,000 the last I heard), is used for travel costs and cover the other costs so cannot see the other seven happy to pick up the tab for NZF

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So many questions - so few answers

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james dean wrote:

So many questions - so few answers

NZF's decision making process in a nutshell.

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another question...

how many of the starting lineup come world cup time will come from the asb prem team?

our best u20s will be based overseas by the time they are 18/19/20

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I'm sure there will be little pitfalls along the way but that is no different from any project in any walk of life. Rather than putting all your angst into these little details, try looking at the overall idea and offer some ideas on how it can be made to work. Man, I'd hate to employ some of you.... I can hear the whinges now "we've always done it like that..." "that won't work" blah blah blah

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I'm sure there will be little pitfalls along the way but that is no different from any project in any walk of life. Rather than putting all your angst into these little details, try looking at the overall idea and offer some ideas on how it can be made to work. Man, I'd hate to employ some of you.... I can hear the whinges now "we've always done it like that..." "that won't work" blah blah blah


I'm sorry but this is absolutely 100% rubbish.  This is not about whether is is a good idea (is it a good idea for our U20's team to play loads of competitive matches together - yes, of course).  It is all about the details of whether that is actually going to happen.  These are absolutely valid questions.  As to offering suggestions as to how it can be made to work - surely that is the responsibility of those who are trying to convert a representative team into a club team (i.e. NZF)?  


However, if YOU would like to contribute something other than complaining about valid points other people have raised then we are all ears...

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 Little pitfalls ...are still pitfalls ...Ive huge faith that NZF have the talent and the ability too , to make any challenge insurmountable...


Yours ; Angry of Grey Lynn

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Sorry but your negativity [as usual] is getting in the way of reasoned thought. How do you know what NZF has considered and what it hasn't? Just because a question occurs to you, what makes you believe it hasn't been already thought of and addressed? NZF aren't going to come on here and answer your questions are they? so what is the point of you raising them here except to have a bitch and a moan? If you were that concerned you'd contact them directly and ask your questions wouldn't you? If you are raising them in this forum to engender conversation amongst us all, then be part of that conversation instead of throwing in negative comments with no apparent basis for them. In recent times James Dean and others have bombarded us with all of this negativity and there has become a 'boy cries wolf' dimension to it. Very hard to get a true appreciation of any possible message they're trying to get across because its all dressed up in a moaning suit.

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 Are you new to our lovely country ?


NZF still havent mastered their fax....


Its good that you have so much faith , .... would you like to buy a bridge ?

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Say I was to hit up Grant McCav about this for the next Podcast - what should I ask him...? Questions please.

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 OK

1  prizemoney ...who gets what ...

2  points ...same 

3  what freedom do young players have to choose who they play for ?


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 ive got jumper-leads if youve got a car battery and a wooden chair....

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