This is rubbish for people who are going to a game though. If I go to Auckland I have to splash out for the ticket plus travel and now an additional $40 to watch the other 3 games. I think I will give the Auckland game a miss and pay the $40 for four games instead.
Football United - July 2014 West Ham and Newcastle visit
They should try to set up a membership that involves access to the games on pay per view as well as the usual lanyard and cap shit. Would be good for out of towners.
This is rubbish for people who are going to a game though. If I go to Auckland I have to splash out for the ticket plus travel and now an additional $40 to watch the other 3 games. I think I will give the Auckland game a miss and pay the $40 for four games instead.
Exactly. You're not the first person I've seen say that. INSTEAD of now spending money and going to a game, people can now spend $40 and see all 4 games on TV.
And then, conversely, if you're going to the Wellington games, it's another $40 to see the other 2 games! Ludicrous.
Have any of the Australian teams games vs Prem teams etc been PPV or were they just on Fox Sports? I believe the latter.
I wont be paying to see the Auckland and Dunedin games. Only just avoided the rath of the wife getting a Season ticket. Two kids etc. Still for $40 I can get them some winter jammies or currently Countdown have Baby love nappies at $13 so 3 packets of that and my kids will be sorted instead.
Sadly one has to be realistic and it seems those of us who are the hard core 6k are getting double dipped by the very club asking us to bring people along.
Rant over.
But they have to balance the spread sheet. How much more angst would there be if they had triple the price game tickets and no live coverage in NZ.
But they have to balance the spread sheet. How much more angst would there be if they had triple the price game tickets and no live coverage in NZ.
I highly doubt this PPV is going to balance any spreadsheet. I would wager this could be the lowest PPV uptake in New Zealand history.
I actually agree with the perpetually moaning, negative one.
And we have also said that a big influence of crowd size is the availability of games on Sky. PPV reduces that influence. Pay $25 to watch a game, or $75 to watch it live. There is slightly more incentive to get to a game now.
I think this is a very big part of the decision making - they need people to go to the games. And it make sense - what I am surprised about though is the PPV is through Sky only, if you don't have Sky can you watch? Surprised they aren't offering online as well. Saying that I think the pricing is "toppy" - but a lot of people are happy to shell out $40 for a night of UFC or boxing
Pretty poor from the Phoenix. Would have been a great chance to turn some casual watchers into fans and could have been a really exciting event for the whole country but of course they have found a way to fuck that up. Who is going to pay out for it really on top of what they aready pay for Sky? Anyone who was going to go is going.
No. Some people might have decided to stay at home to watch it on Sky. Now there is a cost to that. So they might be enticed to attend now as being at home is less attractive.
So they may choose to pay $75 per person plus the transport/parking and food/drink to go to one game instead of $40 or going to the pub to watch all of them? No, instead they'll not pay for it out of principle.
Not sure it's very well thought out. The casual fan who may have watched it at home now won't. What will likely actually happen is the Four Kings and a few other pubs in Wellington will buy the games, a few pubs in Auckland will buy them and virtually noone at home will. So they'll actually make bugger all money from it and piss off a lot of casual fans who maybe couldn't pay out these ticket prices for the whole family but may have gone to some games in the season when it's a third of the price. Maybe fair enough to encourage people in Wellington, Auckland and Dunedin to go to the games but what about the rest of the country?
I am going to the Wellington games but not going to pay extra to watch on Sky. That is my choice and I won't criticise them for putting it on ppv, they need to try and make money at least. I think the ppv cost is a little high but I am feeling most of the groaners are after something for free or on the cheap
meh you could say the same thing about boxing. Some people will buy it at home. Just because you won't, doesn't mean nobody will be.
I will probably buy the Dunedin game.
I think it's a good idea to try something different. As for JDs point about it being offered online, It would be a good idea but I doubt there is the infrastructure in place to do it. Or does sky have the option to buy PPV via skygo (or whatever it is) even if you don't have sky?
meh you could say the same thing about boxing. Some people will buy it at home. Just because you won't, doesn't mean nobody will be.
I will probably buy the Dunedin game.
I think it's a good idea to try something different. As for JDs point about it being offered online, It would be a good idea but I doubt there is the infrastructure in place to do it. Or does sky have the option to buy PPV via skygo (or whatever it is) even if you don't have sky?
I think there is s slight problem with the pricing. $25 for one game is too much, $40 for 4 is ok, but a lot of people interested in buying this package will already be going to one of the games. So it ends up as $40 for 2 games/3 games
Pretty poor from the Phoenix. Would have been a great chance to turn some casual watchers into fans and could have been a really exciting event for the whole country but of course they have found a way to fuck that up. Who is going to pay out for it really on top of what they aready pay for Sky? Anyone who was going to go is going.
No. Some people might have decided to stay at home to watch it on Sky. Now there is a cost to that. So they might be enticed to attend now as being at home is less attractive.
So they may choose to pay $75 per person plus the transport/parking and food/drink to go to one game instead of $40 or going to the pub to watch all of them? No, instead they'll not pay for it out of principle.
Not sure it's very well thought out. The casual fan who may have watched it at home now won't. What will likely actually happen is the Four Kings and a few other pubs in Wellington will buy the games, a few pubs in Auckland will buy them and virtually noone at home will. So they'll actually make bugger all money from it and piss off a lot of casual fans who maybe couldn't pay out these ticket prices for the whole family but may have gone to some games in the season when it's a third of the price. Maybe fair enough to encourage people in Wellington, Auckland and Dunedin to go to the games but what about the rest of the country?
So the people who weren't contributing any money, (ie. not going to the game, but watching on sky for free) won't buy it because of the principle? What principle is that? The one where they won't stuff without having to pay for it. Because thats a pretry shitty principle to have.
Just for the record I've the full tour live @ $500 pp. using std base price ticket values.
So the people who weren't contributing any money, (ie. not going to the game, but watching on sky for free) won't buy it because of the principle? What principle is that? The one where they won't stuff without having to pay for it. Because thats a pretry shitty principle to have.
No, the one where they already pay for Sky and Sky Sport each month so they can watch the sport. I'm sure you do realise it's not actually free on Sky and presumably some of the money they pay for Sky goes to the Phoenix and A League as part of Sky having a contract for the rights. The point was those people might go to games during the season and contribute money that way, but maybe this annoys them and they don't.
Anyway, fair enough hopefully it works out. I'm going to the Wellington games anyway but don't think I'll pay out $40 for the other 2.
So you knew when you purchased sky that the Phoenix would play two EPL games? If so, then I can see your argument. If not, then you don't have a leg to stand on.
No but I was certainly told I'd be able to watch Phoenix games and that some of my money went to the Phoenix as part of being able to see them. Anyway I'm already going so it doesn't affect me, I just personally think it will harm them more than be a money spinner. Let's hope it works out.
Nowhere were you told phoenix preseason games would be included in your sky package when you signed up. They never have been, and in this instance they aren't. It would have been added value if they had included it as part of the usual sky package.
JD, I agree with you that the pricing is a bit clumsy. Its a good point to make.
Fair enough. Was the Boca Juniors game televised the other year? Can't remember as I went to it.
Agree on the pricing being a bit much, especially if you're already going to one. Perhaps some sort of discount if you're going to one might be a good idea but probably a bit hard to implement.
Sky won't worry about NZ - the overseas rights will cover their cost +.
Remember EPL
I'm just not sure there will be huge interest worldwide in these games? Surely EPL fans get enough EPL when the EPL is actually on for 10 months every year?
As for comparisons with boxing and UFC. These are events where world titles are on the line, arenas are sold out and PPV is worldwide. Absolutely no comparison with pre season friendlies. It is not Barcelona and Real Madrid we are playing here.
This is rubbish for people who are going to a game though. If I go to Auckland I have to splash out for the ticket plus travel and now an additional $40 to watch the other 3 games. I think I will give the Auckland game a miss and pay the $40 for four games instead.
Exactly. You're not the first person I've seen say that. INSTEAD of now spending money and going to a game, people can now spend $40 and see all 4 games on TV.
And then, conversely, if you're going to the Wellington games, it's another $40 to see the other 2 games! Ludicrous.
I just can't afford to go to a game plus pay for the four game package. I have other more important, and costly, life events coming up which are slightly more important. I'd rather watch four televised games on the projector in my lounge then just see one live.
Well going by the discussion on here this is hardly a win win situation. The club have managed to get fans infighting which is impressive I guess. People pay Sky, they pay extra for Sky sport and now they want us to pay extra for a couple of pre-season friendlies where you are not guaranteed a top quality line up from the visiting teams. This isn't world title boxing or kick boxing, this is a preseason friendly where usually each club makes 6 or more changes at half time to their sides.
I think leaving it on sky "free" might have drawn more fans to proper A League games. Who knows? At least on this thread no one used the Rugby excuses "Because" & "Think of the Children".
If the Nix are using this as a trial run for something in the future, at least be honest about it. They might be quite surprised that the average Nix fan has an IQ higher than 100.
As said, those whom were going to go to these games will go as they are two decent EPL sides. That is the drawcard. whether or not fairweather viewers will pay for it, I doubt.
I wonder how much they've sold the rights to other territories for? I can't imagine that there is much demand in the more than 20 teritories sold.
Funny that the UK wasn't in that list. Surely that would be the most important market?
Friendlies like this are usually on the club channels these days for those who subscribe i.e. West Ham TV and Newcastle TV.
Probably what has happened.
Doubt if Sky TV in the UK would fork out money for pre-season friendlies against A-League teams - seen (perhaps a little harshly) as a mediocre league in the UK.
Would be about as much interest as an EPL team vs. a semi-pro Conference side - EPL teams often play small local clubs pre-season but there's stuff all interest in TV coverage.
Sky TV UK and other networks have bigger pre-season games available to them involving more glamorous sides - such as the eight team "International Champions Cup" on in the USA at the same time involving Man Utd, Man City, Real Madrid, Inter Milan, AC Milan and Roma and Olympiakos:
Nowhere were you told phoenix preseason games would be included in your sky package when you signed up. They never have been, and in this instance they aren't. It would have been added value if they had included it as part of the usual sky package.
JD, I agree with you that the pricing is a bit clumsy. Its a good point to make.
The Phoenix have not played clubs from prestigious leagues much pre-season (or in exhibition games) but when they have, the games have been televised on Sky TV.
Actually, they've only ever played one such club before pre-season and it was televised on Sky - the Boca Juniors pre-season game was live on Sky TV July 2010. A much-weakened Boca team but still an entertaining game.
The exhibition game mid-season December 2007 vs La Galaxy with Beckham was also on Sky TV.
I completely understand the point of view of the Phoenix management who want to restrict TV coverage of the Football United games to boost match attendances.
But few Kiwis would be prepared to pay extra for these non-competitive friendlies.
I think some of the problem is that football fans expect more football on Sky than they are being given. Few would be happy to fork out extra above their subscription for the Football United games. There are more prestigious international friendlies coming up on Sommet Sport on Freeview and ESPN on Sky in July or available on internet streams.
Sky subscribers who get it for football are pretty disillusioned after Sky have greatly decreased the amount of football they broadcast in recent years since they lost the EPL rights and since the sole overseas sports channel they carry, ESPN has drastically reduced its football coverage in recent years.
ESPN now broadcast no leagues whatsoever - the only football they have is the Champions League, the FA Cup and about one Major League Soccer game every two weeks. They've lost the rights to la Liga, Serie A and the Europa League which they broadcast to Australasia a few years ago.
There is some more football on ESPN 2 which we are missing out on in NZ because Sky are too tight to broadcast it as Fox do in Australia.
Fox Sport in Australia, the A-League rights holders, are prepared to spend decent money on football rights.
Fox and SBS in a joint deal paid the FFA $A160 million in November 2012 for A-League rights and internationals for four years.
They also commonly broadcast the major pre-seson friendly exhibition games involving A-League clubs.
(And broadcast the Asian Champions League, EPL and la Liga)
I wonder how much Sky TV in NZ pay for A-League rights - I suspect stuff all...
To Mr D Dome & Sky TV
I have paid for tickets to the Auckland game & the Wellington games - $140. (plus flights & accommodation)
I also like to record EVERY game so I can watch it again, once I return home. Can't do that now, unless I pay another $40. Are the games going to be replayed on Sky Sports? Or is there any way to obtain recordings of the games?
One option would be to allow ticket purchasers to have PPV access, to the game they are attending (If you can record PPV?)
Another option is to make a recorded version available online to ticket holders only.
Anything would be better than nothing
Cheers
Hatter
Well going by the discussion on here this is hardly a win win situation. The club have managed to get fans infighting which is impressive I guess. People pay Sky, they pay extra for Sky sport and now they want us to pay extra for a couple of pre-season friendlies where you are not guaranteed a top quality line up from the visiting teams. This isn't world title boxing or kick boxing, this is a preseason friendly where usually each club makes 6 or more changes at half time to their sides.
I think leaving it on sky "free" might have drawn more fans to proper A League games. Who knows? At least on this thread no one used the Rugby excuses "Because" & "Think of the Children".
If the Nix are using this as a trial run for something in the future, at least be honest about it. They might be quite surprised that the average Nix fan has an IQ higher than 100.
As said, those whom were going to go to these games will go as they are two decent EPL sides. That is the drawcard. whether or not fairweather viewers will pay for it, I doubt.
if your too cheap to pay for it at home go watch it for free at a pub - there will be a few who purchase it - just be warned at the pub the beers cost more than from the supermarket.. it's a tough one.
THEY'VE FUCKED OUR TICKETS UP AND NOT GIVEN US OUR SEATS IN THE FEVER ZONE.
FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what are the chances of getting our seats back now?
Dear Mr D Dome,
As a long and original supporter of the Wellington Phoenix I can't believe that the owners of the Phoenix wish to operate a sustainable financial model in the operation of the club. I [and several thousand other passionate supporters] deserve to be given free access to all games that the Nix participate in and also free access to any games I can't get to and are accessible via PPV. As an added thank you to those of my ilk, I'd suggest that Welnix also pay my Sky TV subscription so I can watch all manner of sports at no cost to myself. The club could win a multitude of new fans if they thought outside of the square a bit more. How about special offers such as buy one ticket to a match and receive a season ticket for free, buy 2 tickets to a match and get 2 season tickets plus a stripey in sizes of 3XL and above. It is basic marketing 101, you need to offer as much free stuff to people as possible or you will lose them as fans forever. I could have warned you, before buying the club that you would struggle to make a profit because you had no previous football experience. Football clubs are meant to be run at a loss and to be owned by people that don't care about losing money week after week, don't you get it?
Called the nix line and asked for our two zone seats and two in another area, and was told that was no problem. Tickets are 4 seats in a row in aisle 23. Not happy.
Called the nix line and asked for our two zone seats and two in another area, and was told that was no problem. Tickets are 4 seats in a row in aisle 23. Not happy.
We've just talked about this, we are so gutted as they probably can't do anything about it now that we are even thinking of not going. It's just not the same outside of the FZ. That's where we've sat since the beginning.
Dear Mr D Dome,
As a long and original supporter of the Wellington Phoenix I can't believe that the owners of the Phoenix wish to operate a sustainable financial model in the operation of the club. I [and several thousand other passionate supporters] deserve to be given free access to all games that the Nix participate in and also free access to any games I can't get to and are accessible via PPV. As an added thank you to those of my ilk, I'd suggest that Welnix also pay my Sky TV subscription so I can watch all manner of sports at no cost to myself. The club could win a multitude of new fans if they thought outside of the square a bit more. How about special offers such as buy one ticket to a match and receive a season ticket for free, buy 2 tickets to a match and get 2 season tickets plus a stripey in sizes of 3XL and above. It is basic marketing 101, you need to offer as much free stuff to people as possible or you will lose them as fans forever. I could have warned you, before buying the club that you would struggle to make a profit because you had no previous football experience. Football clubs are meant to be run at a loss and to be owned by people that don't care about losing money week after week, don't you get it?
What I dont get is the very fans who have invested a lot of money buying merchandise, travelling from all over to go to games are getting double dipped. If we are being truthful our interest base is not that high where a PPV would kick in and make some decent money from New Zealanders, Perhaps if an overseas company bought in on it yes, but these are in reality meaningless pre season friendlies. Of course it is great that the club managed to attract not just one but two EPL clubs is fantastic. However, one has to be realistic.
it is an interesting point regarding being double dipped if you bought a ticket and want to watch the game again when you get home. I wonder if they'd consider putting a replay on at a later date.
it is an interesting point regarding being double dipped if you bought a ticket and want to watch the game again when you get home. I wonder if they'd consider putting a replay on at a later date.
Anyways our tickets arrived today, much excite.
Tickettek how about changing your name to CockWomble?
it is an interesting point regarding being double dipped if you bought a ticket and want to watch the game again when you get home. I wonder if they'd consider putting a replay on at a later date.
Anyways our tickets arrived today, much excite.
Only if they're free!
Well going by the discussion on here this is hardly a win win situation. The club have managed to get fans infighting which is impressive I guess. People pay Sky, they pay extra for Sky sport and now they want us to pay extra for a couple of pre-season friendlies where you are not guaranteed a top quality line up from the visiting teams. This isn't world title boxing or kick boxing, this is a preseason friendly where usually each club makes 6 or more changes at half time to their sides.
I think leaving it on sky "free" might have drawn more fans to proper A League games. Who knows? At least on this thread no one used the Rugby excuses "Because" & "Think of the Children".
If the Nix are using this as a trial run for something in the future, at least be honest about it. They might be quite surprised that the average Nix fan has an IQ higher than 100.
As said, those whom were going to go to these games will go as they are two decent EPL sides. That is the drawcard. whether or not fairweather viewers will pay for it, I doubt.
if your too cheap to pay for it at home go watch it for free at a pub - there will be a few who purchase it - just be warned at the pub the beers cost more than from the supermarket.. it's a tough one.
It's not about being cheap, so of us just havent got empty credit cards or incomes that free up a lot of money. Sure I bought the Season Ticket and the double header ticket. But I also have a wife and 2 kids to consider. So dont suggest I am cheap. The money tree only has a certain amount of leaves.
"Double-dipping", if you'll keep up with marketing science, is the wave of the future. It's "sell a lot of things to a hard core" rather than "sell a few things to a mass market" - like formerly big rock bands deluging their die-hard fan base with merchandise, box sets, etc. It's a viable business option.
"Double-dipping", if you'll keep up with marketing science, is the wave of the future. It's "sell a lot of things to a hard core" rather than "sell a few things to a mass market" - like formerly big rock bands deluging their die-hard fan base with merchandise, box sets, etc. It's a viable business option.
