Can someone explain to me how we have climb 30 places to 57?
I'm rather baffled (and I'm not kidding about being 57th either)
It's part payback of the arrangement FIFA made with Charlie Dempsey.
NZ FIFA Ranking
Can someone explain to me how we have climb 30 places to 57?
I'm rather baffled (and I'm not kidding about being 57th either)
Why bother looking at the rankings and making a comment if you are to lazy to read on the Fifa website how they work. Why expect someone else to do it for you?
Its no wonder you are baffled.
Knowing how the rankings work and knowing the reasons behind why we have jumped 30 places are two different things. I know how the rankings work, but I still had to attempt to work out why we jumped up by an unusually large amount.
For the record, it's because we didn't drop many points at all from this time four years ago compared to many of the teams in the 60-90 range.
FYI nightz, to jump 30 places, you would generally need to win a boat load of games (especially higher up the table when the points gap from where we were to where we got to is great) The only games we had at the Confeds, we got tonked. I had looked at the games we played and could not remember any so hence why I was baffled. As it was, I received a text saying 'Guess where the AWs are at' and after a back and forth, we had no idea how we had jumped so much so I was not actively going 'oooohhh I wonder where we are ranked'
Thank you so much for being extremely helpful. The time you wasted in replying actually gave me delight in telling you what I think. I also thank you for the equally as useless post that you accused mine of basically being.
Can someone explain to me how we have climb 30 places to 57?
I'm rather baffled (and I'm not kidding about being 57th either)
Why bother looking at the rankings and making a comment if you are to lazy to read on the Fifa website how they work. Why expect someone else to do it for you?
Its no wonder you are baffled.
Knowing how the rankings work and knowing the reasons behind why we have jumped 30 places are two different things. I know how the rankings work, but I still had to attempt to work out why we jumped up by an unusually large amount.
For the record, it's because we didn't drop many points at all from this time four years ago compared to many of the teams in the 60-90 range.
FYI nightz, to jump 30 places, you would generally need to win a boat load of games (especially higher up the table when the points gap from where we were to where we got to is great) The only games we had at the Confeds, we got tonked. I had looked at the games we played and could not remember any so hence why I was baffled. As it was, I received a text saying 'Guess where the AWs are at' and after a back and forth, we had no idea how we had jumped so much so I was not actively going 'oooohhh I wonder where we are ranked'
Thank you so much for being extremely helpful. The time you wasted in replying actually gave me delight in telling you what I think. I also thank you for the equally as useless post that you accused mine of basically being.
If you followed the rankings on a regular basis you would know that you have just said alot of BS.
Suggest you have a decent look around the Fifa website and you can easily see the results of past games and why the rankings (not just ours) can jump about.
I dont consider getting people to investigate for themselves as "a useless post" unless they continue with their lazy ways and cant be arsed educating themselves.
Glad I delighted you.
Can someone explain to me how we have climb 30 places to 57?
I'm rather baffled (and I'm not kidding about being 57th either)
Why bother looking at the rankings and making a comment if you are to lazy to read on the Fifa website how they work. Why expect someone else to do it for you?
Its no wonder you are baffled.
Knowing how the rankings work and knowing the reasons behind why we have jumped 30 places are two different things. I know how the rankings work, but I still had to attempt to work out why we jumped up by an unusually large amount.
For the record, it's because we didn't drop many points at all from this time four years ago compared to many of the teams in the 60-90 range.
FYI nightz, to jump 30 places, you would generally need to win a boat load of games (especially higher up the table when the points gap from where we were to where we got to is great) The only games we had at the Confeds, we got tonked. I had looked at the games we played and could not remember any so hence why I was baffled. As it was, I received a text saying 'Guess where the AWs are at' and after a back and forth, we had no idea how we had jumped so much so I was not actively going 'oooohhh I wonder where we are ranked'
Thank you so much for being extremely helpful. The time you wasted in replying actually gave me delight in telling you what I think. I also thank you for the equally as useless post that you accused mine of basically being.
If you followed the rankings on a regular basis you would know that you have just said alot of BS.
Suggest you have a decent look around the Fifa website and you can easily see the results of past games and why the rankings (not just ours) can jump about.
I dont consider getting people to investigate for themselves as "a useless post" unless they continue with their lazy ways and cant be arsed educating themselves.
Glad I delighted you.
All well and good Jeff Vader but as youve already posted (quote:" I'm rather baffled") you dont know what happened.
Sounds like you are going the same way as Darth.
Up 2 spots to 55 equal with Honduras.
^ this is good
dropped 2 places again back to 57, hondorus rose 12 to 43
dropped 2 places again back to 57, hondorus rose 12 to 43
and Panama rose 11 places to 40th
Mexico remain at 20th
Still, rankings difference won't mean much come November (except for Mexico, please, not Mexico !!!)
NEW FIFA RANKINGS OUT:
Oh dear, NZ down ten places to 67 - but still, not far behind Scotland and Poland - would've been unthinkable in the 1980's when those sides were strong. Mighty Cape Verde Islands at 44, ahead of all three mentioned and ahead of Australia 53 !!!
http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html
Panama 35 Honduras 40 Mexico 21 (only down 1)
France 25 Greece 12 Bosnia 18 Republic of Ireland 59 Sometimes just doesn't make much sense....
The teams below us must be real rubbish then...
NEW FIFA RANKINGS OUT:
Oh dear, NZ down ten places to 67 - but still, not far behind Scotland and Poland - would've been unthinkable in the 1980's when those sides were strong. Mighty Cape Verde Islands at 44, ahead of all three mentioned and ahead of Australia 53 !!!
http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html
Panama 35 Honduras 40 Mexico 21 (only down 1)
France 25 Greece 12 Bosnia 18 Republic of Ireland 59 Sometimes just doesn't make much sense....
The result of two losses (UAE and NC) and playing bugger all games. In saying that Cape Verde might drop a bit now with their expulsion from the African WC Group qualifiers for fielding an ineligible player. Something Africa excels at!
NEW FIFA RANKINGS OUT:
Oh dear, NZ down ten places to 67 - but still, not far behind Scotland and Poland - would've been unthinkable in the 1980's when those sides were strong. Mighty Cape Verde Islands at 44, ahead of all three mentioned and ahead of Australia 53 !!!
http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html
Panama 35 Honduras 40 Mexico 21 (only down 1)
France 25 Greece 12 Bosnia 18 Republic of Ireland 59 Sometimes just doesn't make much sense....
The result of two losses (UAE and NC) and playing bugger all games. In saying that Cape Verde might drop a bit now with their expulsion from the African Cup of Nations for fielding an ineligible player. Something Africa excels at!
Probably doesn't include the recent results v Saudi and UAE as the World Rankings are a bit slow to react - those results in fact wouldn't harm us as v Saudi counts as an away win and v UAE was on neutral territory, even if both are ranked lower. It's the lack of games between World Cup qualifiers in March and the present.
Cape Verde Islands were in fact extremely hard done by and will probably have a case for the International Court of Arbitration in Sport:
They have actually been expelled by FIFA from the upcoming African World Cup final qualification play-offs - and legally it's a mess.
The "ineligible player" they fielded in their recent win v Tunisia was in fact a player sent off v Equatorial Guinea in a qualifier earlier in the year which was annulled because Equatorial Guinea fielded an ineligible player. He's completely eligible to play for Cape Verde (a citizen born and bred) - just "ineligible" in FIFA's eyes for the Tunisia game because he was supposed to be suspended.
But the game he copped the suspension in was annulled and awarded as a 3-0 win to Cape Verde because Equatorial Guinea broke the rules by fielding a player not eligible to play for that country. Naturally Cape Verde believed suspensions incurred in that game were also null and void....I have a feeling they could win their case - they'll be moral victors anyway!
Cape Verde (pop 500,000) are the biggest giant-killers of the year in international football and reached the quarter-finals of the African Cup of Nations in South Africa in February (undefeated in group play) - they qualified for the finals by beating the Cameroons home and away.
Faaarrk I didn't realise that the Cape Verde DQ was that messy Big Pete, cheers for that.
Latest rankings 17 Oct.: NZ down 12 places to 79
(giant-killers UAE up 11 places):
| 69 | Poland | 503 | -4 |  |
| 70 | Jordan | 502 | 3 |  |
| 71 | United Arab Emirates | 496 | 11 | |
| 71 | Bolivia | 496 | -9 | |
| 73 | Sierra Leone | 493 | -1 | |
| 74 | Cuba | 492 | 10 | |
| 75 | Togo | 488 | 2 | |
| 76 | Bulgaria | 487 | -12 | |
| 77 | Morocco | 478 | -3 | |
| 78 | Dominican Republic | 474 | 9 | |
| 79 | New Zealand | 470 | -12 | |
| 80 | Haiti | 464 | -2 | |
| 81 | Trinidad and Tobago | 457 | 4 | |
| 82 | Jamaica | 456 | -4 | |
| 83 | Belarus | 441 | -3 | |
| 84 | Gabon | 438 | -1 | |
| 85 | Uganda | 431 | -4 | |
| 86 | FYR Macedonia | 430 | -11 | |
| 87 | Congo DR | 411 | 4 | |
| 88 | Azerbaijan | 407 | 19 | |
| 89 | El Salvador | 404 | 4 | |
| 90 | Northern Ireland | 399 | -4 | |
I'm surprised how low Bulgaria are (and Poland too)
I think for our relative fluctuations, we are about an 80th placed team. I think the current position is a better reflection of where we actually lie between 70 and 90. Looking at the teams in this zone, I think we match up and would be able to get consistent results (couple of draws, couple of wins, couple of losses)
I'm surprised how low Bulgaria are (and Poland too)
I think for our relative fluctuations, we are about an 80th placed team. I think the current position is a better reflection of where we actually lie between 70 and 90. Looking at the teams in this zone, I think we match up and would be able to get consistent results (couple of draws, couple of wins, couple of losses)
I think Jeff we are a 50-60 team, but as we never play much as much as we should and when we do we usually play sub par Oceania opposition, never get to where we belong. Poland's form of late hasn't been that great but there is a difference between playing Ukraine and England to playing Jordan etc
Down 12 to 91
Need to play more meaningful games or the ranking means nothing really
Just thought, the rankings don't mean much to NZ at the moment really. (If we qualified for a World Cup or Confederations Cup) we would always be ranked in a low seeded pot.
However if we move to AFC or enter the Asia WC qualifying system then the rankings do become important all of a sudden. I believe the AFC use the FIFA world ranking system to help seed and draw the qualifying groups, and our low ranking could mean a harder group.
Ryan
Really interesting article on the BBC Sport website about FIFA World Rankings and how the World Cup seedings work
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25134584
Good article
wow that slipped fast . down to 91
wow that slipped fast . down to 91
Results from '09 dropping off (Confeds Cup draw against Iran) and our poor results from this year having a stronger impact
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9929290/All-Whites-drop-outside-top-100-in-Fifa-rankings
The idle All Whites have dropped 21 places in the latest Fifa rankings released on Thursday.
Without a fulltime coach after Ricki Herbert's departure in November, the All Whites did not play in the latest rankings period, and now find themselves at 111th between Canada and Luxembourg.
In the March rankings, New Zealand dropped just one spot - from 89th to 90th - despite a 4-2 loss to Japan in Tokyo with a youthful lineup. Since being at No 55 in the July 2013 rankings, the All Whites have more than doubled their spot, largely due to being outplayed by Mexico in their two-leg World Cup qualifying playoff.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________Can't take them too seriously - after all who seriously believes Greece are the tenth best side in the world (between Italy and England) and the Netherlands are 15th best below the USA ?
These rankings are a funny thing. I like how Uruguay, who probably would've missed out on qualification altogether if the WC wasn't being played in South America this year, are now seeded after only qualifying from a play off with Jordan.
just moved up 14 places to 97th
Wow 118. At first I was shocked but then remembered we haven't really won many games in the last 4 years...
Itll get worse at least until we get a DM
think we should beat at least malaysia
wow that slipped fast . down to 91
Results from '09 dropping off (Confeds Cup draw against Iran) and our poor results from this year having a stronger impact
Iraq not Iran
went up two places woop woop haha
Swaziland - 135
New Zealand-136
Thailand- 137
Myanmar -162
top 5- Argentian, Belgium; Germany; Columbia; Brazil.
Australia 61; Wales #9- ahead of England #10
Good article on how stupid the ranking system is and Romania have somehow managed to be ranked 7th in the world.
Quite how Romania have climbed to seventh in the world, in fact, is something of a mystery. In the past 15 years, the only tournament they’ve qualified for was Euro 2008, where they didn’t win a game and, although it was only a play-off defeat to Greece that cost them a place at the World Cup last year, they were a distant third in their group in qualifying for Euro 2012.
Burleanu’s advisor Andrei Vochin has tried to take credit for arranging tough friendlies to “take advantage of the system” but the 0-0 draw against Argentina last year – the only game that realistically falls into that category – was under Burleanu’s predecessor, Mircea Sandu. This year, Romania have played four games. They’ve drawn 0-0 away to Northern Ireland and beaten the Faroe Islands 1-0.
That, somehow, has earned them more ranking points (786.91) in 2015 than any nation in the world other than Wales (817.58), who have won in Israel and at home against Belgium. Chile, making the foolish mistake of playing more than two games and winning the Copa America, have picked up just 579.37, fewer than Slovakia, England, Albania, Portugal, Argentina, Austria and the Czech Republic.
I too think the calulations may be a bit stupid, when I see my old homeland (island) Bermuda is 4 places ahead of New Zealand, something is wrong there, surely !!
I too think the calulations may be a bit stupid, when I see my old homeland (island) Bermuda is 4 places ahead of New Zealand, something is wrong there, surely !!
Maybe but how many games have Bermuda played recently? More than NZ I'd wager without having a look.
I too think the calulations may be a bit stupid, when I see my old homeland (island) Bermuda is 4 places ahead of New Zealand, something is wrong there, surely !!
Maybe but how many games have Bermuda played recently? More than NZ I'd wager without having a look.
Never wager without having a look!
Bermuda didn't play for about 3 years before March this year, but since then they've won 3, drawn 3, lost 1. I think that generally the rankings are mostly bollocks, but comparing that record to our last couple of years it doesn't seem unreasonable that they'd be ranked above us.
Dropped 12 places to 148th...
| 145 |
 Thailand
|
196(196.12) | 143.18 | 143.18 | 15.82 | 7.91 | 107.30 | 32.19 | 64.19 | 12.84 | |
| 146 |
 Kyrgyzstan
|
195(195.44) | 110.07 | 110.07 | 63.65 | 31.83 | 178.46 | 53.54 | 0.00 | 0.00 | |
| 147 |
 Guinea-Bissau
|
193(192.68) | 81.26 | 81.26 | 204.61 | 102.30 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 45.58 | 9.12 | |
| 148 |  New Zealand |
188(187.52) | 27.54 | 27.54 | 36.39 | 18.20 | 317.33 | 95.20 | 232.90 | 46.58 | |
| 149 |
 Vietnam
|
187(186.71) | 96.99 | 96.99 | 122.15 | 61.08 | 38.22 | 11.47 | 85.86 | 17.17 | |
| 150 |
 Afghanistan
|
183(183.06) | 69.82 | 69.82 | 94.60 | 47.30 | 160.06 | 48.02 | 89.61 | 17.92 | |
| 150 |
 Guam
|
183(182.54) | 124.43 | 124.43 | 64.25 | 32.13 | 52.21 | 15.66 | 51.60 | 10.32 |
Not surprising considering we've only played 1 game last month, Myanmar, drawing 1-1.