All Whites' Dead End Road To Russia 2018

There is a fun game in attempting to see how many players you'd have to name (in order) to eventually cover all 23 players picked by Hudson

So if I pick Mossy as my number one pick and he isn't in the squad then I get zero points?

Nope. List as many players are you want. Your score is how many names it takes to 'tick off' Hudson 23. So it might take you 30 names to successfully guess the 23 man squad. So you'd put more likely players higher up your list as your score stop once you get the 23rd name.

The rule of thumb seems to be ignore seasoned pros above the age of 25 unless they play in the A-League or the Premier League.

Ok here we go Lochhead  Myers McGeorge Christie Hogg Scott Clapham Ellenson  Peverley Draper Ah fudge it I give up, sorry one more

Fallon

Dura, Mossy, Fenton, Yawn.... I give up

double post

Watson/Wood/Brockie/Smeltz

Thomas/De Vries/Boyd - Mcglinchey/Ridenton - Barbarouses/Rojas

Tzimipoulos - Tuiloma/Hudson-Wihongi

Doyle/Colvey - Boxall/Brotherton - Durante/Musa - Gulley/Fenton

Marinovic/Basalaj/Moss

Wynne, Vicelich, Sigmund, Lewis, Spoonley, Hobbs, Clapham, Higgins, White, Hogg, Gleeson, Riera

OK let me have a go... are you scoring this for us 2B?

Moss, Tzimopoulos, M.Boxall, Barbarouses, McGlinchey, Wood, Rojas, Tuiloma, Riera, Thomas (this depends if he's fit), Colvey, Doyle, Fenton, Marinovic, Gleeson, Durante, Lewis, Hudson-Wihongi, Patterson, Wynne, Smeltz, Williams, Adams, Boyd, de Vries, Brotherton, Musa, Hobbs, Watson, Ridenton, Brockie, Crocombe, 

Messi says hi

edit: and instead Hudson-wihongi, Lewis or Brotherton, i want to see the more experience Scandinavian ones: Keat, James, the other Boxall...

It's a total myth that he doesn't shine at international level

A better example would be Rooney. Rooney has had a very good career at United, but has been poor for England. Rooney had a good euro 2004, but has been poor since then. 1 goal in 3 world cups shows how he under performed for England. 

i don't want to turn this into a messi discussion thread, and i totaly respect your opinion, my point is based in:

a) most of the 50 goals are against minor oposittion (3 goals in 3 world cups iirc)

b) he never was a factor in the decisive matches of that 2 finals

c) best player of the world cup? seriosly? do you think it was deserved?

d) sorry about the offtopic

A) actually 5 goals in 3 WC. Not really fair to say most of his goals are against minnows. In 2012-13 he got hat tricks against Brazil and Switzerland and doubles against Paraguay and Uruguay, for instance. That's 10 goals against decent sides right there. He's also got goals against Spain, Germany, France, Portugal and Croatia in friendlies and competitive goals against Colombia, Chile, Mexico, Bosnia, Serbia and Nigeria among others as well. It's not all exhibition games against Guatemala and Hong Kong.

B) not sure what you mean exactly - Do you mean the WC final and the Copa America final?  Fair enough in that he didn't do enough to win either game but it's harsh to judge his international career on the basis of two finals considering how much he did to get his teammates to those finals 

C)I didn't say he was the best player at the WC, I said he was the best player for Argentina at the WC. He wasn't far off the best player in the end either. He was the 3rd highest scorer, playing deeper than he does from Barca, and created the most chances of any player in the tournament. I think one of ze Germans should have won the golden boot but Messi was still quality.

D) the idea that he doesn't do well in international football is largely driven by the Argentine public. He isn't a heartfelt working class hero like Maradona or Tevez and he's perceived as less Argentinian because he's been in Spain since he was 13. Any other player with his record would be lauded but because he's Messi if he doesn't singlehandedly win every game he's perceived as a failure. 

ok, i overeact, his international level is not rubbish but never reach his full potential playing for the national team.

Training camp opponents: average age 18...and 3/4

Reminds of a couple songs from the past

Or the 'lighter' version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bl4xaFZMM

I can't even post tin the app any more. With "10" year licence and renewed Huawei sponsorship, you'd think it might be a priority on someone's "to do" list.

When is the squad actually announced?

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We need to find enough eligible players who want to play first! Shambles in waiting...

Anthony, if you're reading this, just FYI I'm off crutches and available for selection again

All Whites squad to be announced on Thursday May 12:

All Whites squad for OFC Nations Cup to be announced on Thursday May 12 #AllWhites

— Jason Pine (@pineyzb) April 28, 2016

My picks:

Moss
Maronkovic
Crocombe / Tzanev / Gleeson

Durante / Musa
Boxall
Adams
Themi
Wynne
Edge / Colvey
Doyle

Fenton
Tuiloma
THW
Payne
Lewis
McGlinchey

Kosta
Rojas
Wood
Smeltz / Brockie
Patterson / Watson
Thomas / Boyd
De Vries

I think he wants Stefan Marinovic

Thomas has been injured and is only just back playing for the reserve team, I'd be surprised if he's in the mix.

Absolute dearth of quality in central midfield. Has it ever been this bad?

I guess, but Ivan was playing in that Mexico game.

Chris James? Not that Hudson seems interested.

I get the impression Hudson prefers players who are in England.

Ipswich aren't making the play-offs; shouldn't that free him up for the Nations Cup?

Didn't Dura play DM for us once or twice? Maybe against Jamaica at Mr Smart?

The problem with Chris James if you talk to any AW player is that he is extremely unpopular, has an ego the size of Jupiter and has rubbed everyone up the wrong way thats involved with the AW's. If Hudson isnt interested he has simply joined a well established club