All Whites v Socceroos | Sun 25th Sept | 4.00pm | Eden Park | Morningside Tavern

What about Bazeley.
Does he have enough experience now to step up to National Team Coach. Been around the scene a long time.
Or is he to much in the mould of Hay?
Not sure what actual qualifications he has.

Wow, hadn't seen the press conference after yesterday's match, but my word, Chris Wood certainly didn't shy away from the issues at hand. Good on him for getting on the front foot. Some big digs at NZF 👀

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

YoungHe.\rt

Wow, hadn't seen the press conference after yesterday's match, but my word, Chris Wood certainly didn't shy away from the issues at hand. Good on him for getting on the front foot. Some big digs at NZF 👀

I respect Wood so much. He's a mature and well disciplined player and is a leader off the pitch as well as on, he wants what's best for the All Whites and our promising young talents.

Ninja

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

We can't just move to AFC. It is not up to us

Ranix

What about Bazeley.
Does he have enough experience now to step up to National Team Coach. Been around the scene a long time.
Or is he to much in the mould of Hay?
Not sure what actual qualifications he has.

If this happens I'll be beyond angry - am unhappy enough that he has an age group side, the AWs would tip me over the edge.

Ninja

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

and here we go again...

Khalil Media

Ranix

What about Bazeley.
Does he have enough experience now to step up to National Team Coach. Been around the scene a long time.
Or is he to much in the mould of Hay?
Not sure what actual qualifications he has.

If this happens I'll be beyond angry - am unhappy enough that he has an age group side, the AWs would tip me over the edge.

why?

Leggy

Ninja

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

We can't just move to AFC. It is not up to us

We can at the very least lobby, and put some pressure on the AFC.

Khalil Media

Ninja

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

and here we go again...

Do you have a better suggestion?

What team is going to want to come to the bottom of the world to play us annually (outside maybe the island nations)? We cannot afford to host quality teams in NZ on a frequent basis. We cannot afford the cost of getting all of our players down to NZ annually. 

The 35k crowd was an anomaly due to the first home match in many years and versus Australia. We would be lucky to pull 5k at Eden Park against your average international team. In other words, attempting to play annually in NZ with a 5k crowd would bankrupt NZF.

So what's your suggestion?

I don't have one, but AFC does not want us.

YoungHe.\rt

Wow, hadn't seen the press conference after yesterday's match, but my word, Chris Wood certainly didn't shy away from the issues at hand. Good on him for getting on the front foot. Some big digs at NZF 👀

Got a link to the interview?

Not sure why people take much interest in what Wood said post game. What would say about your boss when publicly asked and you're sitting next to them at a time. Football is a small community and you never know when you might cross paths with someone again. So it's relatively rare for players to talk badly about their current or former coach. That's why I never read too much in what players use to say about Hudson. 

Khalil Media

Ninja

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

and here we go again...

indeed. Been covered in here every 6 months for the last 25 years. Keep the chat in here please 
https://yellowfever.co.nz/categories/all-whites-and-other-nz-international-teams/topics/all-whites-oceania-asia-confederation-conundrum

Ninja

Leggy

Ninja

This is all a massive reason why we need to move to AFC. We need guaranteed, regular matches, and joining AFC would give us meaningful matches on a consistent schedule. 

We can't just move to AFC. It is not up to us

We can at the very least lobby, and put some pressure on the AFC.

A combined East Asia/OFC Nations League, is the game changer we should all beg & pray for. AWs to otherwise stay in OFC for WC qualifying etc.

Is interesting that the next Asian Cup is mid 2023, a full 3 years before the 2026 WC kicks off. That seems to give AFC more time than they need to complete AFC World Cup qualifying for US/Canada/Mexico.

Is there room for them to split AFC East (with OFC) & West for a Nations League concept over FIFA windows late 2023 & early 2024?? Infantino would like it to happen.

A few Aussie football fans speculated about it recently on this little blog, I note.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afc-nations-league.1316848/

Europe, North America and South America have the equivalent cups and comps too. They didn't have to find room for it because it replaces international friendlies, that's the whole idea.

It would be cool if the OFC joined as well, would greatly benefit NZ and probably the Solomon Islands too. All the minnows might find the long travel a bit much though.

2ndBest

Not sure why people take much interest in what Wood said post game. What would say about your boss when publicly asked and you're sitting next to them at a time. Football is a small community and you never know when you might cross paths with someone again. So it's relatively rare for players to talk badly about their current or former coach. That's why I never read too much in what players use to say about Hudson. 

But when players like Moss, Durante, Smeltz & Falloon all retire and still praise Huddo - that has some credence. Moss could have had a real axe to grind with the English coach who dropped him as AWs keeper, and was heading off Stateside, never to be seen in NZ again. But he didn't.

Could it just be that, those inside the AWs tent know a shark load more than the fans feeding off Hudson's silly public gaffes. Though to be fair all he had to majorly do, was bring a semblance of some level of organised professionalism to  the setup, after the shambles of Ricki's last year in 2013.

But the US National coach seems to rate Huddo, and I imagine he's more clued up than most AWs fans.

2ndBest

Not sure why people take much interest in what Wood said post game. What would say about your boss when publicly asked and you're sitting next to them at a time. Football is a small community and you never know when you might cross paths with someone again. So it's relatively rare for players to talk badly about their current or former coach. That's why I never read too much in what players use to say about Hudson. 

I think we take notice because it is Chris Wood. He's not immune from having these type of questions put to him, but to me he doesn't seem like the pandering type. 

If you look at his body language in conjunction with what he was saying, it genuinely seemed to irk him that Hay might not be involved for too much longer in the national team set up.

Just seen these tweets from Piney, albeit a couple of hours old. 🤞

Statement from NZF CEO Andrew Pragnell…

“Following completion of the current de-brief, scheduled for mid-October, we look forward to sitting down with Danny Hay to discuss his future and how to continue the development of the All Whites leading into the next World Cup cycle.”

— Jason Pine (@pineynz) September 26, 2022

“The All Whites will play in the first official FIFA window following the World Cup and consistently thereafter as we begin our build up to the 2024 Olympics and 2026 World Cup.”@newstalkzbsport

— Jason Pine (@pineynz) September 26, 2022

“It is the long-stated aim of New Zealand Football to be bringing our national sides home more regularly and the record breaking crowd at Eden Park is just the start of having all our teams play in Aotearoa on a more consistent basis.”@newstalkzbsport

— Jason Pine (@pineynz) September 26, 2022

I hate copying threads 😅
Sorry for the double-ups.

I'm sure it's only coincidence that:
1) some serious allegations have been made on here about Hay and his actions 
2) NZF are undertaking an independent review of the WC cycle that is being led by an employment lawyer when previous practice has been internal de-briefs
3) NZF will discuss Hay future after those findings are completed. 

In an ideal world FIFA should intervene and give AFC 9 spots and OFC disbanded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(AFC). 
16 home and away matches starting in November 2023.

Hay has done better than I thought he would.

Yes Sunday was bad, but teams have bad days. Overall I think we have improved since his arrival, and the talent he has brought into the team deserve to be there. I don't see nepotism in his picks (as one earlier post went to great lengths to suggest).

Des, might be better... but having success with a youth team does not guarantee success with the mens team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he has not set the Indian League on fire. 

Buckingham's Mumbai City were 5th in the last ISL (11 teams) regular season, his first term in charge. Missing the playoffs.

They were premiership winners the season prior, also going on to win the Grand Final. So yes to date have gone backwards under Des's watch.

New ISL season kicks off 10th October. Brad Inman & Roslyn Griffiths are at Mumbai City.

Apparently we actually joined the AFC back in 1964 before going on to form the OFC with Australia, Fiji, and PNG only two years later.

Source: https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/straitstimes19640828-1.2.130.6

"New Zealand, who failed last year, were today admitted together with Lebanon and Kuwait as members of the AFC."

I found that newspaper article link on the AFC Wikipedia page. It wouldn't be very fair of me to not give credit to whoever the editor was that posted this on the page for all of us to see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Football_Confederation#Former_members

I wonder how well a team of domestic players that are all NZ eligible would go against this current squad?

It makes no difference to what confederation we are in, we should still be looking to play games against better opposition. In that respect, Hay is correct. More games, more experience for the players. But I don't think Hay is the man to do the job. To sit back and hope that at some stage we might get a break away chance, is not the way to go. Especially, as some of these younger players show so much potential to do so much better. And these younger players know Des as well. 

The current NZF set up reminds me of that "Who" song - "Won't Get Fooled Again" - "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". 

Maybe people aren’t accounting for the fact our players stocks are still pretty shark at international level

A good point - yes this our most talented group ever, but they are not a world class group.

Stamenic, Bell, Just and Garbett etc are all still new to their professional careers.

Feverish

Maybe people aren’t accounting for the fact our players stocks are still pretty shark at international level

reg22

The minimum that I expect from our national team coach is to have the team well organised, to have a plan for obtaining possession, a plan for scoring goals. and to be able to make simple and logical adjustments when required.

I'm not sure if hay ticks any of these boxes. 

It was astonishing that he dropped a DM in front of a back five when chasing he game. And yes, it was a back five, not a three. 

bit difficult to get any consistancy/organisation when you don't get a together each international window and only really play a "serious" tournement when qualifying for World cup comes around. 
NZF needs to work their arses off to get real home and away games locked in for the next 18-24 months. We can't be a month out from an international break and nt have a game or two to play.
Hay likes a back 5, he's a defender, I'm not sure he really uhnderstands how to use the attacking talent he has. Ernie was at the game in Auckland? Mayber he is being talked to about taking over for the next Woprld Cup? Otherwise it has to be Des, he has history with most of the players, he sets his teams up to play the right style - well at least what we as fans wan to see. I guess we wait now for 3 weeks to see how well NZF screw this up.

Ernie Merick works for FA he is not in any way here talking to NZ football.
Hays contract is now up. I don't see the issue with NZF taking there time before they decide on there best way forward regarding the coach. And they are correct in not making any reactionary opinionated public comment prior to doing an independent review.
Not unusual at this point in the cycle to advertise the coaches job ask Hay to re-apply if he wants, see who else might have interest, considering we will very likely be at the next world cup, have young talent coming through. and then make an educated decision based on who applies and what they bring to the table.
Why wouldn't you put it out there. Take your time, reflect on the last cycle and try and set yourself up for the next cycle better with the best possible set up and plan.

Edit. If that means missing one international window in leu of not having to make a rushed decision then so be it.
On top of that NZF comments on games going forwrad.
“The All Whites will play in the first official FIFA window following the World Cup and consistently thereafter as we begin our build up to the 2024 Olympics and 2026 World Cup.”
They have also stated that they want to have more home games in this next cycle.
I'm not sure what some people are complaining about on this thread.

Ranix

Ernie Merick works for FA he is not in any way here talking to at NZ football.
Hays contract is now up. I don't see the issue with NZF taking there time before they decide on there best way forward regarding the coach. And they are correct in not making any reactionary opinionated public comment prior to doing an independent review.
Not unusual at this point in the cycle to advertise the coaches job ask Hay to re-apply if he wants, see who else might have interest, considering we will very likely be at the next world cup, have young talent coming through. and then make an educated decision based on who applies and what they bring to the table.
Why wouldn't you put it out there. Take your time, reflect on the last cycle and try and set yourself up for the next cycle better with the best possible set up and plan.

I understand taking your time to make the best decision, but it's not like NZF couln't have been working on this for the last 6 months or longer. The reason you have it sorted close to or before the end of the current contract is so the players have confidence in their futures or the plan going forward. Currently we have players leaving not knowing if the coach that has been selecting them will be back. They have no idea about their own futures or even if they want to play for the new coach/manager. Not the best way to do things. NZF should have made this call months ago. Instead they've fudgeed around, sat on their hands and potentially let the coach they want go and find a new post. Risky at best.

theprof

Ranix

Ernie Merick works for FA he is not in any way here talking to at NZ football.
Hays contract is now up. I don't see the issue with NZF taking there time before they decide on there best way forward regarding the coach. And they are correct in not making any reactionary opinionated public comment prior to doing an independent review.
Not unusual at this point in the cycle to advertise the coaches job ask Hay to re-apply if he wants, see who else might have interest, considering we will very likely be at the next world cup, have young talent coming through. and then make an educated decision based on who applies and what they bring to the table.
Why wouldn't you put it out there. Take your time, reflect on the last cycle and try and set yourself up for the next cycle better with the best possible set up and plan.

I understand taking your time to make the best decision, but it's not like NZF couln't have been working on this for the last 6 months or longer. The reason you have it sorted close to or before the end of the current contract is so the players have confidence in their futures or the plan going forward. Currently we have players leaving not knowing if the coach that has been selecting them will be back. They have no idea about their own futures or even if they want to play for the new coach/manager. Not the best way to do things. NZF should have made this call months ago. Instead they've fudgeed around, sat on their hands and potentially let the coach they want go and find a new post. Risky at best.

But how can they make an educated decision before they let the current coach complete his contract and the games we have in front of us. They couldn't  have advertised the coaching position prior to these last games. That would undermine this group even more.
I'd say NZF have been working on this since the lose to Costa Rica. Let current coach complete his contract. Review. Move forward with a better plan / set up if possible. With high potential of putting out for a new / better coaching set up.

Thats not what is suggested when Hay is asked about his future - he's openly said that NZF havent discussed anythign with him. Surely if you've been working on "who next" you've at least talked to the current coach/sneior squad members about it?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/129994251/danny-hay-heading-on-holiday-with-his-future-as-all-whites-coach-yet-to-be-determined#comments

Cracker of a day and awesome weekend. Glad I took the family up for this. Saddened by the fact my son was raving about the fact that we smashed the Aussies in the rugby on the way home. Pretty disappointed by the way we played given that was a rather average Socceroos team. 
Glad to have watched my first game at Eden Park. Way better than North Shore! 

for  me folks , it is vital to get a new match in november against any euro minnows or any other team,   then   get a new coach with good cv,  get this squad together,  and games and games and games

then you have to bring 5 new faces every year to have a good depth    check those double nationality players and convince them asap
bring back  thomas and singh , get those players who are playing semi profesional,  have a local team and an overseas team and play and play and play

at least you are gonna be in the next wc finals  now how are u gonna do it 
arrange matches with teams that you could beat to increase your fifa rankings 

you have like 20 teams nz could get a win at least 

Who are these double nationalities you speak of... it's not like they are dozens out there already.

Fans need to be more realistic.

JAVIER16

for  me folks , it is vital to get a new match in november against any euro minnows or any other team,   then   get a new coach with good cv,  get this squad together,  and games and games and games

then you have to bring 5 new faces every year to have a good depth    check those double nationality players and convince them asap
bring back  thomas and singh , get those players who are playing semi profesional,  have a local team and an overseas team and play and play and play

at least you are gonna be in the next wc finals  now how are u gonna do it 
arrange matches with teams that you could beat to increase your fifa rankings 

you have like 20 teams nz could get a win at least 

yes any European team in November would be good as they will be free

morgenstern12

JAVIER16

for  me folks , it is vital to get a new match in november against any euro minnows or any other team,   then   get a new coach with good cv,  get this squad together,  and games and games and games

then you have to bring 5 new faces every year to have a good depth    check those double nationality players and convince them asap
bring back  thomas and singh , get those players who are playing semi profesional,  have a local team and an overseas team and play and play and play

at least you are gonna be in the next wc finals  now how are u gonna do it 
arrange matches with teams that you could beat to increase your fifa rankings 

you have like 20 teams nz could get a win at least 

yes any European team in November would be good as they will be free

Whilst a game(s) in November would be great, and is disappointing it appears AWs won't play again until March next year - is a very small window of opportunity in Nov. Is literally only a week between Euro leagues going into hiatus and the World Cup starting.

Also seems that Euro clubs actually don't have to release their players during Nov/Dec, for national teams not going to Qatar. Newcastle you imagine for example will head to a training camp in Saudi Arabia, to appease their big money sponsors.

Tunisia could have been keen for an AWs friendly verus psuedo Socceroos (Australia is a winnable Group game for them) - but think I read somewhere they already have a warmup game booked prior WC. 

Anyway Pragnell has made it clear AWs won't play again until March next year, but is then making lots of promises about AWs playing every window thereafter, including some games in NZ. That won't be easy at all, so he's putting his head a little on the chopping block making those sorts of predictions.