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Clapham

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does he really expect an offer to land on his plate?
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C-Diddy wrote:
Would take Clapham at a Squeeze. I feel for the poor fella thoug, he's really Up the Junction!

 
With the size of the squad, if Wynton Rufer decided to do a "Martin Crowe", I'd take him at squeeze

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Jeff Vader wrote:
By all accounts, young Chettleburgh is a bit poisonous and was the reason he was dropped from the U20s.
 
Not all accounts.
 
I know Cory pretty well, and I don't think he's poisonous.
 
I think the reason he was dropped from the U20s is because a) the coach is a moron (anyone read his Twitter lately?) and b) he likes to play a bit of football and not lump the ball away.
 
I don't usually speak out on these things, but anyone who watched our U20s play, and has watched some of the "stars" of that team play in the ASB Premiership since, doesn't have to be a rocket scienties to realise the coaches of that team weren't going to be much interested in a small kid who likes to live on the ball.
 
The Nix had Cory in camp for weeks and weeks.  Do you think they'd have done that if he was "a bit poisonous".  No.  In fact if you speak to the players, they really like him.
 
Fact is, Milicich is a vagina of a coach.
 
/rant.
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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And while I'm having my say so, Clapham has made himself into a prize f**kwit in the last week.
 
Honestly mate, if you want a job as a footballer, don't sit in Canterbury having a cry about why nobody is ringing your doorbell, get your sh*t together and go and trial somewhere.
 
Fred Woodcock, who I love, aint no agent.  Because he has guaranteed that Clapham will have no chance with the Nix, at least not under Herbert.
 
BTW.  Mulligan >>>>> Clapham, so if Mully aint up to the A League, Aaron probably aint up to the O League.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Smithy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
By all accounts, young Chettleburgh is a bit poisonous and was the reason he was dropped from the U20s.

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Not all accounts.

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I know Cory pretty well, and I don't think he's poisonous.

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I think the reason he was dropped from the U20s is because a) the coach is a moron (anyone read his Twitter lately?) and b) he likes to play a bit of football and not lump the ball away.

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I don't usually speak out on these things, but anyone who watched our U20s play, and has watched some of the "stars" of that team play in the ASB Premiership since, doesn't have to be a rocket scienties to realise the coaches of that team weren't going to be much interested in a small kid who likes to live on the ball.

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The Nix had Cory in camp for weeks and weeks.� Do you think they'd have done that if he was "a bit poisonous".� No.� In fact if you speak to the players, they really like him.

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Fact is, Milicich is a vagina of a coach.

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/rant.

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Come on, don't make it like vagina's are a bad thing
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Smithy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
By all accounts, young Chettleburgh is a bit poisonous and was the reason he was dropped from the U20s.

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The Nix had Cory in camp for weeks and weeks.� Do you think they'd have done that if he was "a bit poisonous".� No.� In fact if you speak to the players, they really like him.

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Shame Cory spent all that time with the Nix and not offered a contract. Could he have been useful to us?   I've not seen him play but thought from accounts of him being at the nix that he had a promising future.
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Smithy wrote:
And while I'm having my say so, Clapham has made himself into a prize f**kwit in the last week.
 
Honestly mate, if you want a job as a footballer, don't sit in Canterbury having a cry about why nobody is ringing your doorbell, get your sh*t together and go and trial somewhere.
 
Fred Woodcock, who I love, aint no agent.  Because he has guaranteed that Clapham will have no chance with the Nix, at least not under Herbert.
 
BTW.  Mulligan >>>>> Clapham, so if Mully aint up to the A League, Aaron probably aint up to the O League.
 
Not easy just organising trials. Especially for someone without a professional background. You need time and money as most clubs won't be paying for your flights, and regrettably New Zealand isn't the easiest country in the world to based in if you are looking for a proffesional career. Not like you can just pop over to Europe for a trial. This has always been the problem for a very long time for Kiwi footballers. Hence the reason New Zealand having an A-League team was a huge step in helping Develop New Zealand footballers.
 
This is partly people's frustration at  Australian's and overseas players getting picked ahead of New Zealanders. New Zealand Football players do not have the same opportunities as football players overseas, so when opportunities do come up in our own country a lot of us would like to see it given to a home grown talent.
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So we should just hand out contracts to nz players who haven't got off their ass to find their own team?

Is cory spent his winter training with the nix, and plenty of people flew themselves here from overseas, then why could Aaron come up by himself.
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Yeovil wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:
Would take Clapham at a Squeeze. I feel for the poor fella thoug, he's really Up the Junction!


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With the size of the squad, if Wynton Rufer decided to do a "Martin Crowe", I'd take him�at squeeze


Up The Junction...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Smithy wrote:
And while I'm having my say so, Clapham has made himself into a prize f**kwit in the last week.
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Honestly mate, if you want a job as a footballer, don't sit in Canterbury having a cry about why nobody is ringing your doorbell, get your sh*t together and go and trial somewhere.

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Fred Woodcock, who I love, aint no agent.� Because he has guaranteed that Clapham will have no chance with the Nix, at least not under Herbert.

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BTW.� Mulligan >>>>> Clapham, so if Mully aint up to the A League, Aaron probably aint up to the O League.


Definitely agree with that last part.
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Not easy just organising trials. Especially for someone without a professional background. You need time and money as most clubs won't be paying for your flights, and regrettably New Zealand isn't the easiest country in the world to based in if you are looking for a proffesional career.


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I think everyone's skipping around the main issue here, which is Clapham's obvious genetic deficiency. That hair would just clash horribly with the Phoenix strip - Ricki's decision is clearly based on aesthetics.

This also explains why Ricki doesn't mind picking him for the AWs what with their neutral colours and all
BarryZuckerkorn2011-11-13 10:36:25

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2ndBest wrote:
So we should just hand out contracts to nz players who haven't got off their ass to find their own team?

Is cory spent his winter training with the nix, and plenty of people flew themselves here from overseas, then why could Aaron come up by himself.
You need to get invited to trial, otherwise every man and his dog would be trialing. Aaron obviously was not asked. He managed to get a trial with Melbourne Heart last year but its pretty hard to get one of the overseas spots.
 
You have to pretty naive to think its that easy to get trials. Clubs do not like wasting there time looking at anybody. And when European clubs have hundreds of footballers with similiar ability who would all be within an hours drive of the club, why would they waste their time with a non-professional footballer all the way from New Zealand.
 
The majority of Kiwis playing over in the states have come through the University systems, and they therefore have the contacts etc. But even trying to get a contract with the American second divison is not easy. Talk to anyone who has trialled. One example, someone had to drive 8 hours after renting a car, turn up and play a trial game, score 2 goals and then be told yip your exactly what we are looking for, but im sorry we don't have room for you as an overseas player. As well the money is not good and a lot of them need to supplement their income during the off season most often with coaching kids.
 
The biggest issue Clapham has is he has only really played in the New Zealand Football League. You need something a bit better than that on your CV if you are to have any interest overseas. Think of it like applying for a job, you might be amazing for that job and have all the skills, but if you havent got the required experience on your CV, then they are not going to look at you. 
 
It is very unlikely that Clapham will ever play for the Phoenix under Herbert, he is not his style of midfielder and I agree with Smithy, Billy Harris has done him no favours. But that does not mean he is not good enough.
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2ndBest wrote:
So we should just hand out contracts to nz players who haven't got off their ass to find their own team?Is cory spent his winter training with the nix, and plenty of people flew themselves here from overseas, then why could Aaron come up by himself.

You need to get invited to trial, otherwise every man and his dog would be trialing. Aaron obviously was not asked. He managed to get a trial with Melbourne Heart last year but its pretty hard to get one of the overseas spots.

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You have to pretty naive to think its that easy to get trials. Clubs do not like wasting there time looking at anybody. And when European clubs have hundreds of footballers with similiar ability who�would all be within an hours drive of the club, why would they waste their time with a�non-professional�footballer all the way from New Zealand.

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The majority of Kiwis playing over in the states have come through the University systems, and they therefore have the contacts etc. But even trying to get a contract with the American second divison is not easy. Talk to anyone who has trialled. One example,�someone had to drive 8 hours after renting a car, turn up and play a trial game, score 2 goals and then be told yip your exactly what we are looking for, but im sorry we don't have room for you as an overseas player. As well the money is not good and a lot of them need to supplement their income during the off season most often with coaching kids.

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The biggest issue Clapham has is he has only really played in the New Zealand Football League. You need something a bit better than that on your CV if you are to have any interest overseas. Think of it like applying�for a job, you might be amazing for that job and have all the skills, but if you havent got the required experience on your CV, then they are not going to look at you.�

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It is very unlikely that Clapham will ever play for the Phoenix under Herbert, he is not his style of midfielder and I agree with Smithy, Billy Harris has done him no favours. But that does not mean he is not good enough.

Is Clapham against playing in Eastern/Southern Europe, SE Asia or Scandanavia like other NZ players (Kris Bright, Paul Cunningham etc.) And I don't really think that Clapham needs to trial, Ricki has had him involved with the 'Nix before and All Whites squads and should have an idea on what Clapham could offer the 'NixBullion2011-11-14 17:12:28
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Kris Bright had played for the Knights before he moved to Europe and Paul Cunningham played College Soccer for one of the top Colleges in the USA before he got his chance in Europe. Experience Clapham has not got.
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As well why do people think its that easy to get a contract in the lesser leagues in Europe. The vast majority of them have stronger leagues than the A-League. Look at the champions league right now. There is a team from Cyprus who are top of their group as well as teams from Belarus and Romania who are doing a lot better than how the A-League teams performed in the Asian champions league last year, which we all know is no where near the standard of the European Champions League.
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There's a wider question here, which Clapham has implicitly asked.  Which is: Should NZF be engaged in helping All Whites find professional contracts?
 
Now, I think the answer is yes.  In particular I think NZF should have someone whose job it is to try to help our young U17s and U20s into professional environments.  Then we won't be left in this monkey situation where one of our All Whites is a part-timer.
 
Coming back to Clapham though.  Trials are a lot easier to arrange than you might think.  If Clapham wants a job, has he gone and got himself an agent?  Has he spoken to the other All Whites playing at lower level professional clubs and asked them what's available?
 
I suspect he has, and has realised that he has a much more certain income and future staying in Canterbury and working in a 9 to 5 like most of us.
 
This isn't unfair, and it's not the Phoenix's fault, it's just life.  Most professional footballers make quite poor money and have very little in the way of job security.  I think Clapham knows this, so figured he may as well have a cry to the newspaper in the hope he might land an easy gig with the Nix.  Lazy, but understandable.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I agree with Smithy's idea about having someone with in NZF whose primary job is to organise trials for young NZ footballers.
 
Have the NZF sign on as their agents to help cover costs as any transfer fees / contract renewals etc that may eventually rise out of our young players going pro would help off set costs.
 
For example Chris Wood - If he moves on his agent would be in line to make a couple 100,000 pounds probaly. How many trials would that pay for??
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smithy, did clapham cry to fred? if so, that would be lamereg222011-11-15 22:43:27

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