All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

New Zealand Men's U-17s

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almost 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:
watching_from_far wrote:

NTC players have a better chance of making the team as they are seen by the people who pick the team. If a player isn't picked for NTC the likely hood of them getting anywhere near the team a low when you consider their are about 60 players for that age band at NTC. No player is guaranteed anything so that shouldn't be a suprise. 

I think at the end of the day if the player is good enough they will get a look in at some stage. 

 


This is just bullshit. The coaches at NTC don't pick the national team. Dear lord. 


Look at the last U17 team - there were loads of players who weren't attending NTC anymore who made the cut. All the Ole kids for a start. That should tell you everything you need to know about NZ Football's hollow threats.


Not attending NTC doesn't seem to have held Ryan Thomas back.


WOW, dear lord.  I'm pretty sure the guy that does pick the team will have been at each of the camps at some stage last week. So those players that attended are already at an advantage! Didn't say anything about NTC coaches picking the side.
Ryan is doing very well, not sure why he got mention here.

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almost 12 years ago
watching_from_far wrote:
Smithy wrote:
watching_from_far wrote:

NTC players have a better chance of making the team as they are seen by the people who pick the team. If a player isn't picked for NTC the likely hood of them getting anywhere near the team a low when you consider their are about 60 players for that age band at NTC. No player is guaranteed anything so that shouldn't be a suprise. 

I think at the end of the day if the player is good enough they will get a look in at some stage. 

 


This is just bullshit. The coaches at NTC don't pick the national team. Dear lord. 


Look at the last U17 team - there were loads of players who weren't attending NTC anymore who made the cut. All the Ole kids for a start. That should tell you everything you need to know about NZ Football's hollow threats.


Not attending NTC doesn't seem to have held Ryan Thomas back.


WOW, dear lord.  I'm pretty sure the guy that does pick the team will have been at each of the camps at some stage last week. So those players that attended are already at an advantage! Didn't say anything about NTC coaches picking the side.

Ryan is doing very well, not sure why he got mention here.


 

Ryan Thomas never went to an NTC. He's still an All White.

Do you know that he was at all those camps? Or are you assuming?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:
watching_from_far wrote:
Smithy wrote:
watching_from_far wrote:

NTC players have a better chance of making the team as they are seen by the people who pick the team. If a player isn't picked for NTC the likely hood of them getting anywhere near the team a low when you consider their are about 60 players for that age band at NTC. No player is guaranteed anything so that shouldn't be a suprise. 

I think at the end of the day if the player is good enough they will get a look in at some stage. 

 


This is just bullshit. The coaches at NTC don't pick the national team. Dear lord. 


Look at the last U17 team - there were loads of players who weren't attending NTC anymore who made the cut. All the Ole kids for a start. That should tell you everything you need to know about NZ Football's hollow threats.


Not attending NTC doesn't seem to have held Ryan Thomas back.


WOW, dear lord.  I'm pretty sure the guy that does pick the team will have been at each of the camps at some stage last week. So those players that attended are already at an advantage! Didn't say anything about NTC coaches picking the side.

Ryan is doing very well, not sure why he got mention here.


 


Ryan Thomas never went to an NTC. He's still an All White.


Do you know that he was at all those camps? Or are you assuming?


Didn't realise you had to go to NTC to be an All White. Sure he wont be last to do this. still not sure of Ryan being an All White and it's relevance to the selection process of u17 side. 
as for coach, I know he was at two.
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almost 12 years ago

Appears that he has been at all the camps his twitter account has shown pics from them

UNDERDOG: One that is expected to lose a contest or struggle 

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almost 12 years ago
footballnut wrote:

Appears that he has been at all the camps his twitter account has shown pics from them

 

Well that is commendable, but not consistent with past practice at all.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

Coach did get to 3x NTCs. First training camp in July. First round invitations sent. Coach visited Nix academy whilst in Wellington.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago

NZF calling for applications for U17 Assistant Coach.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago

Global Game wrote:

Coach did get to 3x NTCs. First training camp in July. First round invitations sent. Coach visited Nix academy whilst in Wellington.

 

Rumour mill running overtime about a) who got invited and b) how much it costs! 

We (In The Zone) asked NZF for an official squad list but they didn't respond. 

Sounds like FdJ's pay-for-play is still in effect for the 17s, but not the 20s. Weird.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Sounds like FdJ's pay-for-play is still in effect for the 17s, but not the 20s. Weird.

What makes you say this?

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<p>Long way from squad list smithy. I'm hearing the initial training camp is just a "best of NTC".</p>

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago

Global Game wrote:

<p>Long way from squad list smithy. I'm hearing the initial training camp is just a "best of NTC".</p>

 

List of players = squad list.

Aren't you interested in who did/didn't make it from your region? I know In The Zoners are interested.

Some surprising omissions from Wellington already.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Global Game wrote:

<p>Long way from squad list smithy. I'm hearing the initial training camp is just a "best of NTC".</p>

 

List of players = squad list.

Aren't you interested in who did/didn't make it from your region? I know In The Zoners are interested.

Some surprising omissions from Wellington already.

NZF won't give you a list because they they don't consider they've picked a squad. 

As to training camp, I've heard - unofficially - 3 x Football South, 3 x Canterbury, couple from Nelson. No surprise omissions, a surprise '99 inclusion.

As to Wellington, I know none (?) of the  98/99 Ole boys were even considered for the camp as they were not allowed to even trial for NTC (something amiss with fair and due process there I reckon). Not sure how many 98/99s are at Ole; a handful I guess. If that's one of the "surprising omissions from Wellington", I'm not surprised.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 12 years ago

Global Game wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Global Game wrote:

<p>Long way from squad list smithy. I'm hearing the initial training camp is just a "best of NTC".</p>

 

List of players = squad list.

Aren't you interested in who did/didn't make it from your region? I know In The Zoners are interested.

Some surprising omissions from Wellington already.

NZF won't give you a list because they they don't consider they've picked a squad. 

As to training camp, I've heard - unofficially - 3 x Football South, 3 x Canterbury, couple from Nelson. No surprise omissions, a surprise '99 inclusion.

As to Wellington, I know none (?) of the  98/99 Ole boys were even considered for the camp as they were not allowed to even trial for NTC (something amiss with fair and due process there I reckon). Not sure how many 98/99s are at Ole; a handful I guess. If that's one of the "surprising omissions from Wellington", I'm not surprised.

 

There are a few 99s at Ole, but not sure they have that many 98s. The surprises I was referring to aren't from Ole anyway.

I guess if this is just a "best of NTC" initial camp then no list is fair enough, but on the other side, why not release it? 

I also guess if this is just best of NTC and they're going to look around more widely later then the Ole lads (and others) aren't missing too much.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History

Smithy wrote:

Global Game wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Global Game wrote:

<p>Long way from squad list smithy. I'm hearing the initial training camp is just a "best of NTC".</p>

 

List of players = squad list.

Aren't you interested in who did/didn't make it from your region? I know In The Zoners are interested.

Some surprising omissions from Wellington already.

NZF won't give you a list because they they don't consider they've picked a squad. 

As to training camp, I've heard - unofficially - 3 x Football South, 3 x Canterbury, couple from Nelson. No surprise omissions, a surprise '99 inclusion.

As to Wellington, I know none (?) of the  98/99 Ole boys were even considered for the camp as they were not allowed to even trial for NTC (something amiss with fair and due process there I reckon). Not sure how many 98/99s are at Ole; a handful I guess. If that's one of the "surprising omissions from Wellington", I'm not surprised.

 

There are a few 99s at Ole, but not sure they have that many 98s. The surprises I was referring to aren't from Ole anyway.

I guess if this is just a "best of NTC" initial camp then no list is fair enough, but on the other side, why not release it? 

I also guess if this is just best of NTC and they're going to look around more widely later then the Ole lads (and others) aren't missing too much.

Ole has 2-3 98s who live/train there.

Have heard there will be other opportunities, but agree, surely nothing to lose for NZF by being transparent about the whole process; but it's not exactly in the culture is it? Plus as we all know, different coaches see & look for different things.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 11 years ago

when do the u17 get picked? Does anyone know?

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over 11 years ago

I've heard that the only way you can be picked into the team is by Ntc?

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over 11 years ago

People in training squad have been contacted.

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over 11 years ago

Global footy wrote:

I've heard that the only way you can be picked into the team is by Ntc?

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that is what we have been told for approx 18 months. (South Island)

Not sure if this is nationwide policy but would hope it is a constant application. 

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 11 years ago

few Chch players were in the training squad so fingers crossed for them.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 11 years ago

so even if you're good and u haven't attended Ntc u won't make the squad? That's bull shit!

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over 11 years ago

how many in the training squad so far?

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over 11 years ago

Global footy wrote:

how many in the training squad so far?

 

Nobody knows. It's a secret. Shhh.

This is more of a prelim trial group as far as I'm aware. They go to Auckland for a camp. Think it's a fairly large group.

I will bet you plenty that anyone who is genuinely good enough will get in the team, NTC or not.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

when do the teams get picked? and where and when is the u17 qualifiers in 2015?

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over 11 years ago

Qualifers in American Samoa in January i've heard but not a 100% sure

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over 11 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Global footy wrote:

how many in the training squad so far?

 

Nobody knows. It's a secret. Shhh.

This is more of a prelim trial group as far as I'm aware. They go to Auckland for a camp. Think it's a fairly large group.

I will bet you plenty that anyone who is genuinely good enough will get in the team, NTC or not.

Heard it is about 30 players

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over 11 years ago

anyone know where this camp is being held or if they are playing any games?

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over 11 years ago

Kids in camp. Although pretty sure Ivan is over 17.

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over 11 years ago

Can spot 4 Wellington kids there.

Ruairi Cahill-Fleury (Island Bay)

Washington Bgoni (Island Bay/WPFA)

Michael Faber (Wests/Think Ole too)

James McGarry (Miramar/WPFA via Dunedin)

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Can spot 4 Wellington kids there.

Ruairi Cahill-Fleury (Island Bay)

Washington Bgoni (Island Bay/WPFA)

Michael Faber (Wests/Think Ole too)

James McGarry (Miramar/WPFA via Dunedin)

Jacob Masseurs (Wharf / Kaisen) is there too I believe

Founder

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over 11 years ago

3 from AFF 

Jack Short (central) Brad Bicknell (Mags and 3kings) Rob Dymond (fencibles? and off for second stint at Birmingham next week)

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over 11 years ago

South Island contingent I know: Ben O'farrell (dndn), Ollie ceci (central Otago), charlie boot (GK, Halswell). Lyle mattheson and Simon chretian (cashmere technical), Joel Peterson (chch/nix academy). Not sure if there is a Nelson lad there or not.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 11 years ago

Good to see players from all over NZ getting a crack to impress... might stop some of the bitching and moaning which normally is associated with selections.

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over 11 years ago

Lost 2-1 to Papakura last night.

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over 11 years ago

Global Game wrote:

South Island contingent I know: Ben O'farrell (dndn), Ollie ceci (central Otago), charlie boot (GK, Halswell). Lyle mattheson and Simon chretian (cashmere technical), Joel Peterson (chch/nix academy). Not sure if there is a Nelson lad there or not.

Doesn't look like it.

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over 11 years ago

do you no if they are picking more players to come in or is the coach going to pick from this training squad?

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over 11 years ago

Global footy wrote:

do you no if they are picking more players to come in or is the coach going to pick from this training squad?

 

I believe this is just phase one. Check out the best of the NTC kids.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Global footy wrote:

do you no if they are picking more players to come in or is the coach going to pick from this training squad?

 

I believe this is just phase one. Check out the best of the NTC kids.

 

But, I'd say that anyone coming in from here would have to be a stand out. I don't expect they'll bring in another tranche of NTC/other players. 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

when will the team be selected? And will Jose manuel be going around the South Island too look at players?

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over 11 years ago

Qualifcation doesn't start occur until January. So a while yet.

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over 11 years ago

but will there be more players comming in that are not in Ntc but are doing FTC? And is there an Ntc later on? 

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