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almost 11 years ago

Ah yeah I dont think Tomi played the match in Hamilton come to think of it. Think he is with St Albans in Melbourne now, near the top of the 2nd tier state league.

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A few days ago I got to chat to one of the players, his father is a friend of mine. The player is part of the defensive section of the team and spoke about the fact they were being coached to get the ball forward with a more direct approach. He spoke about how frustrating this was and that he found it difficult to play this way because all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back  at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him. Now at international level the long ball appears to be part of the tactical approach. 

I find this sad because all through NZ we have players from junior through to youth level being coached under directives from NZF to  the federations to the clubs to play out from the back.  We even have retreating lines in play for certain age groups to encourage this style of football.

In all honestly I have not yet been able to watch the U20 side play and the first game i will get to will be the opening game. I think I am going to be disappointed by what i see.

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almost 11 years ago

AlfStamp wrote:

A few days ago I got to chat to one of the players, his father is a friend of mine. The player is part of the defensive section of the team and spoke about the fact they were being coached to get the ball forward with a more direct approach. He spoke about how frustrating this was and that he found it difficult to play this way because all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back  at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him. Now at international level the long ball appears to be part of the tactical approach. 

I find this sad because all through NZ we have players from junior through to youth level being coached under directives from NZF to  the federations to the clubs to play out from the back.  We even have retreating lines in play for certain age groups to encourage this style of football.

In all honestly I have not yet been able to watch the U20 side play and the first game i will get to will be the opening game. I think I am going to be disappointed by what i see.

#alignment

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 11 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

A few days ago I got to chat to one of the players, his father is a friend of mine. The player is part of the defensive section of the team and spoke about the fact they were being coached to get the ball forward with a more direct approach. He spoke about how frustrating this was and that he found it difficult to play this way because all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back  at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him. Now at international level the long ball appears to be part of the tactical approach. 

I find this sad because all through NZ we have players from junior through to youth level being coached under directives from NZF to  the federations to the clubs to play out from the back.  We even have retreating lines in play for certain age groups to encourage this style of football.

In all honestly I have not yet been able to watch the U20 side play and the first game i will get to will be the opening game. I think I am going to be disappointed by what i see.

#alignment

or is it a case of cutting cap to suit the cloth ?

All well and good wanting to play like  Barca but if you only have the Soldiers to play like Stoke?

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Just let them play the game the best they can

I think it's more about not getting caught with ball near our goal - minimize turn overs in our half 

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almost 11 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

A few days ago I got to chat to one of the players, his father is a friend of mine. The player is part of the defensive section of the team and spoke about the fact they were being coached to get the ball forward with a more direct approach. He spoke about how frustrating this was and that he found it difficult to play this way because all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back  at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him. Now at international level the long ball appears to be part of the tactical approach. 

I find this sad because all through NZ we have players from junior through to youth level being coached under directives from NZF to  the federations to the clubs to play out from the back.  We even have retreating lines in play for certain age groups to encourage this style of football.

In all honestly I have not yet been able to watch the U20 side play and the first game i will get to will be the opening game. I think I am going to be disappointed by what i see.

#alignment

or is it a case of cutting cap to suit the cloth ?

All well and good wanting to play like  Barca but if you only have the Soldiers to play like Stoke?

"all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him"
You know we belong together...

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almost 11 years ago

[/quote] or is it a case of cutting cap to suit the cloth ?

All well and good wanting to play like  Barca but if you only have the Soldiers to play like Stoke?

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Maybe if the players are allowed to continue to develop along the path which has been set forth by NZF regarding junior and youth level abilities then we may have a chance of producing more players capable of pulling it off. However to ask them to switch to a style of play they havent been growing with is the best way to continue producing Stoke....

We will never develop quality players if we get scared and give up and go long at the final step

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almost 11 years ago

Oska wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

A few days ago I got to chat to one of the players, his father is a friend of mine. The player is part of the defensive section of the team and spoke about the fact they were being coached to get the ball forward with a more direct approach. He spoke about how frustrating this was and that he found it difficult to play this way because all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back  at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him. Now at international level the long ball appears to be part of the tactical approach. 

I find this sad because all through NZ we have players from junior through to youth level being coached under directives from NZF to  the federations to the clubs to play out from the back.  We even have retreating lines in play for certain age groups to encourage this style of football.

In all honestly I have not yet been able to watch the U20 side play and the first game i will get to will be the opening game. I think I am going to be disappointed by what i see.

#alignment

or is it a case of cutting cap to suit the cloth ?

All well and good wanting to play like  Barca but if you only have the Soldiers to play like Stoke?

"all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him"

and that means they can play that way effectively at International level ?
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almost 11 years ago
Cry me a river If he went to a pro club hed have to play the way the manager wanted so suck it up!


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At this level they think & react too slowly to play a passing game out from the back.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

Funny to think of a kiwi defender finding it difficult to play a long ball game. Does this generation have no respect for our time-honoured traditions?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 11 years ago

Ricki Herbets All White Army

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almost 11 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Oska wrote:

sthn.jeff wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

AlfStamp wrote:

A few days ago I got to chat to one of the players, his father is a friend of mine. The player is part of the defensive section of the team and spoke about the fact they were being coached to get the ball forward with a more direct approach. He spoke about how frustrating this was and that he found it difficult to play this way because all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back  at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him. Now at international level the long ball appears to be part of the tactical approach. 

I find this sad because all through NZ we have players from junior through to youth level being coached under directives from NZF to  the federations to the clubs to play out from the back.  We even have retreating lines in play for certain age groups to encourage this style of football.

In all honestly I have not yet been able to watch the U20 side play and the first game i will get to will be the opening game. I think I am going to be disappointed by what i see.

#alignment

or is it a case of cutting cap to suit the cloth ?

All well and good wanting to play like  Barca but if you only have the Soldiers to play like Stoke?

"all the way through his playing career he had been coached to play out from the back at club, Federation and NTC level. It was a totally new way to play for him"

and that means they can play that way effectively at International level ?

A player is going to more effective playing in a style he is used to than one he hasn't yet become comfortable with. Whether the bulk of the team is better suited to that style of play is another question.
You know we belong together...

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

It must be really difficult trying to get your head around the concept that when you get the ball you kick it forwards instead of sideways or backwards...

Edit: Just jokes, before someone lectures me... although obviously a direct or longball game is easier to execute, which is why technically challenged teams do it

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 11 years ago

hamezilla wrote:

Just let them play the game the best they can

I think it's more about not getting caught with ball near our goal - minimize turn overs in our half 

under-8s 101.

A fan is a fan.

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almost 11 years ago

yup - that's about my level

                                                                        COYN    

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almost 11 years ago

It must be really difficult trying to get your head around the concept that when you get the ball you kick it forwards instead of sideways or backwards...

Edit: Just jokes, before someone lectures me... although obviously a direct or longball game is easier to execute, which is why technically challenged teams do it

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almost 11 years ago

Friendlies, smiendlies...

I'm looking at our chances with renewed hope (despite the 4-2 loss to Austria today) after the Argentina u-20's were shot down in flames 3-1 on Friday night by the Tahiti national team.

I'm thinking Argentina will still be good in the tournament.

And NZ....who knows...could sneak a win and a draw if things go their way....

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 11 years ago

I agree that Argentina will be very good at our tournament. I just hope the kiwi boys can progress from they're pool to the next round, with our fan support let's hope they do. 

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almost 11 years ago

The fact we have been competitive gives me hope. An early goal could be all we need to get momentum.

At the end of the tournament if one or two of our players get picked up I will consider the tournament a success.

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almost 11 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

The fact we have been competitive gives me hope. An early goal could be all we need to get momentum.

Hmm... from what I've seen whenever we score an early goal we spend the rest of the match going backwards, trying to stem the onslaught. I reckon a cunning ploy would be not to score an early goal and try to stifle things at 0 - 0 until the final few minutes when, with our superior fitness plus determination plus desperation plus the deafening & encouraging roar of the croud, we suddenly score 2.

#non-alignment

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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^ Change of plan. Clayton Lewis hat-trick plus two direct frees from our Bill and we edge out UKrain 5-4 in stoppage time.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago

Some interesting stats previewing NZ's first game from FIFA.com today:

Ukraine usually win their opening games and the host team usually wins the opening game of the tournament:

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/me...

"Ukraine return to the U-20 World Cup after a ten-year hiatus. The eastern Europeans’ only two victories from eight matches played came in opening games, 4-2 against Chile in 2001 and 3-1 against Panama in 2005. The host team have kicked off their campaign with a three-goal victory in each of the last three editions: Egypt overcame Trinidad and Tobago 4-1 in 2009, Colombia saw off France by the same scoreline in 2011 and Turkey beat El Salvador 3-0 two years ago. The last home side to lose were Canada, who suffered a 3-0 reverse against Chile in 2007."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 11 years ago

It won't be the end of the world if the kiwis lose this match but what a shot in the arm for the tournament if they get even a draw. A win would be fantastic....it would probably galvanise the country behind the team. Worst result would be a 3 or 4 goal beating. My heart says NZ 2-1 but my head says Ukraine 3-1. 

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almost 11 years ago

Pretty exciting really.Loving the footy

                                                                        COYN    

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almost 11 years ago

four kings for game

Founder

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almost 11 years ago

A fan is a fan.

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almost 11 years ago

Phoenix represent!!

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almost 11 years ago

Stream?

You know we belong together...

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almost 11 years ago

Prime TV?

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almost 11 years ago

Wow good croud

Come on lads go hard

                                                                        COYN    

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almost 11 years ago

yep excellent turnout - well done

                                                                        COYN    

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almost 11 years ago

plenty of all whites pedigree last names in this squad

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almost 11 years ago

does anyone have a stream? I don't have a TV

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almost 11 years ago

http://www.yopika.tv/20150530/v-haha_sport_1_name-1082317-5568d4b7da4758.26118507.html

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almost 11 years ago
Why is Rufer playing up top?
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almost 11 years ago
Not a striker

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 11 years ago

Only 200 tickets left for this game.  Tremendous effort there.

Would bloody love a win here!  COYJAW

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almost 11 years ago
Any radio station playing commentary?

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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