New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

interesting read on exceptions to section 7 

Agree to the 5 Years stand-down but after 5 years.

If one does not become a citizen, but only wants to be a permanent resident, (he will still be entitled to a passport) Is he not still a South African? therefore he is not “acquiring a new nationality””

sauce?

Opps
http://www.espnfc.com/united-states/story/2268050/united-states-needs-fifa-exception-for-ineligible-gedion-zelalem-of-arsenal

Ibini is a interesting case. Very similar to Zelelam. Yet he played for two Australia age group teams and the senior team also.

Though I'm guessing they applied for dispensation prior to games being played rather than waiting until someone challenged it on the day of a final surely...

"FIFA can and does grant exceptions to players", but it's not a right by any means.

Ibini applied for and was granted by FIFA permission to play for Australia in 2011:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ibiniisei-wins-world-cup-waiting-game-20110715-1hhud

So we can see Ibini & Zelelam both needed permission from FIFA to play... the big question is now, did we do the same for Wynne? If we did and it was granted, then OFC have big questions to answer. If we didn't, then it seems we've stuffed up. And I'd also question how FIFA let this through in Under-20 World Cup.

You would think if we had dispensation from FIFA we would have heard about it by now.  Bye-bye Olympics by the looks.

And Fiji win it on penalties (in case anyone's interested).

Strongly suspect that as "Final" has now been played that the result will be let stand in interests of "fairness".

Expect heads to roll...or not, after all this is NZF ...

Is not being incompetent, the main criteria for working for NZF??

I suspect the next issue for us will be a play off against CONMEBOL for the 2018 world cup if we even get that far.

I guess we can be thankful this didn't happen in a World Cup qualifying knock out match.

OFC extract revenge for us speaking out against Sugar Daddy Sep?

Looks like Wynne will now have to apply for his international clearance to play for the AW's I take it. Serious though some one must have leak that information from with in NZF or his current club. 

Article 14 (Page 20)

I also note that the IOC have different criteria for eligibility - does this make a difference to this situation?

You only get a NZ passport when you apply and qualify for a NZ citizenship. Therefore you could live here for 50 years as a permanent resident and still not have a NZ passport and and you haven't acquired a new nationality. If that's the question you are asking....

If this stands, I think someone in NZ should do an FBI/UK paper job and ping the OFC comettee the next time they meet in NZ (where OFCs offices are).  

Based on comments made here and previous events, there must be enough mud for some to stick in a kiwi court against Chueng etal.

The home nations have an agreement that if a player is educated in that country for at least five years they are then eligible. Berahino was schooled in England therefore qualifies for England. Same as Rhodes for Scotland and Dormans for Wales. 

In fact going by today's rules Ryan Giggs could have played for England, where as that rule wasn't in place when he was emerging on the scene in the early 90s. 

I think the thing here is "Change of nationality under FIFA" they don't care about your citizenship, but the point at when you play registered football, in the case of Deklan Wynne this appears to be in South Africa prior to 2009 when he moved here. Hence the move to NZ for FIFA rules is a change of citizenship. Where as John Smith wasn't playing registered Football at 3 years old.

So by this the only players that would be affected you'd think are those who move in their teens (Of course there are probably a number of those under the age of 23 playing in teams around the world...

My Mother in Law came here on a boat when she was 7...now 50+ years later she has returned to the UK for a holiday, the issues started when she didn't know if she was a Kiwi or a Brit. (She is a Perm Resident, and still a UK Citizen)

This would also mean Roux & Smith the two other players mentioned don't have an issue as when they first played registered football they both already held NZ citizenship.

#alignment

The only legitimate thing I can think of outside of an OFC agenda is that this somehow hinges on having to notify FIFA in some way [and receiving permission] that a change of eligibility is being made rather than just taking it for granted. A little like the NCAA Clearing House that makes sure all the criteria are fullfilled before a player can even set foot on the training ground as a college player of any sport.

Yep this seems to be the crux of the argument.  We didn't get permission from FIFA for Wynne to 'change' nationalities where it was required.  Don't think this is an OFC conspiracy as such, we simply stuffed up and got caught.

Hoped to be proved wrong by NZF releasing some more info, but I doubt it.

I posted this after that cockup with NZF saying the game would be on Maori TV when it wasn't:

Does she now work for NZ football?

Oh yeah missing information, the NZ Women's team is now going to be disqualified after this was discovered.

Sorry but talking from experience one can be a permanent resident without being a NZ citizen and still have a NZ passport I was born not in NZ and have been here 63 years and have a NZ passport

Things may have changed since you got a NZ passport. I came here as a baby, my parents never took out citizenship. I cannot get a NZ passport until such I time as i become a citizen. I am a permanent resident but have to get a resident re entry stamp in my passport to be allowed back in to NZ. The resident re entry stamps last for 10 years.  I tried for a NZ passport back in the 80's but couldnt get one then unless I did the citizenship thing. It was simpler and cheaper to get a different passport. I checked it all out again 5 years ago. The current situation is that you cannot get a NZ passport unless you are a NZ citizen.

At least this guy's mother was born in NZ

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/tzimopoulos-living-a-dream/

they didn't know until the next morning when the decision had already been made.

Or you work for Mossad.

sadly Declan didn't Wynn

Or you work for Mossad.