New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

Err, sorry, yeah I didn't explain that well. In NZ to get citizenship you have to have 5 years of permanent residence before becoming a citizen, so it takes at least 5 years to get the passport, so in that situation the FIFA statute and NZ law align well.

1. We are the big fish in the pond and that can lend itself to being singled out in this way.

2. NZF probably doesn't help itself by displaying a degree of arrogance in its dealings with the Island Nations. We turn up to these tournaments with all of the staff, flash boots, stay in the resort and not the games village etc.

3. By and large the Island Nation's football administration is closely linked to the government and/or the ruling classes and they are used to getting their own way without being questioned. NZF would not be looked upon well if they questioned some of the activities carried out by OFC leadership, especially if that leadership had this 'born to rule' attitude.

4. If you think our own representatives are hell bent on protecting their own turf, the Islands are 1 million times worse.

5. No doubt the anti-Sepp vote was frowned upon as it would of been seen as NZ trying to get rid of the cash cow that Sepp had become to the likes of Chung et al.

Dealing with people in the islands is a minefield. Some little thing might cause the whole thing to crash or cause offense and that is hard to atone for. It is a cultural clash that is not restricted to just working in the Pacific as it equally applies in working in other parts of the world. We British, tend to get this wrong - often.

Speak for yourself Patrick. I go to bed to Rule Britannia every night.

Keep trying to be clear! Try less, better put together words. You keep crying like a baby 'why don't they understand me?' You just get more and more confused as you go on. And why can you not for once just focus on the question "Is Deklan a person holding a permanent nationality that is not dependent on residence in a certain country?" in itself. It's a clause that is asking a question. Of course we know that there are other clauses and they all go together blah blah blah. Doesn't preclude us from examining 5.1 and getting a yes or no on that.

Does this not sum up the majority of this thread?

Bestie. You've been warned before, so this is your final warning under Rule 5. Continue posting the way you are and you'll get a visit from the banstick. 

That's true. And I think EG would agree.

All any of us can do is take our best stab at interpreting the rules based on the information we have.

Some of the interpretations on here are not in the least bit based on available information.

OFC/Fiji -

versus NZF

That's a yes. Deklan Wynne has permanent New Zealand nationality not dependent on residence.

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha yes it does

my comment was gonna be 'most lucid post by anyone so far'

Ban ElGrap. He keeps on posting sermons, poorly constructed, and then comes back with 'sorry if I wasn't clear' or 'sorry i might not have explained that well' duh

p.s. presume you mean 5.1? But, dude, I was born here.

Would you give it a rest. We've had some twunts on this forum over the years and in your 40-odd posts you've managed to out do a good number of those.

You've had you say, we all know what you think - now give it a rest.

BTW, you are foul of Term 3.

You have to be a complete retard. Look under El Grapaduras name.....

I hate school holidays.

Give me another 30-odd I'll be in the lead.

Why are you so obsessed with getting people to comment specifically on 5.1? It seems pretty clear to me what El Grap thinks of Wynne under 5.1. It is in this sentence:

"The answer is he doesn't, because of the mere existence of Article 7 which clarifies section 5.1 for people in Wynne's situation."

El Grap appears to not care whether he meets 5.1 by itself because his reading sees 5.1 alone as irrelevant in this situation. I would hazard a guess though that since El Grap is focusing on 7, which relates to taking up a new nationality, he believes the Wynne's NZ citizenship is valid for playing for NZ. If he thought his citizenship wasn't valid, why would he bother with 7 at all?

Edit: Clarification

Interested in 5.1 'because it is there'. Because Article 5 is 'Principles', and i think principles in legislation are probably important. You don't?

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James Musa, born Devon UK 01/04/92 to Zimbabwean father Memo and English mother Mandy. Represented NZ London Olympics 2012.

I'm banhammering myself from this thread.

If you could be bothered thinking about it, most people's opinions of 5.1 are at the very least implied, if not explicit in their answers. Stop being lazy and read critically.

ok, I'll play...

A. Yes

Next Question please....

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or contact me in confidence:

Justin Casey Moans

c/o "Bodge it, Fake it & Wynne - the No Wynne, No Fee Specialists"

It just occurred to me, is Bestie actually one of the lawyers NZF hired, on here trying to get advice? Seems like the calibre of person they'd engage.

Keep working on it.

I'm officially turning into a nihilist on this one; I firmly believe that  the lawyers will come back with positive information but we will get rooted by OFC and FIFA won't bat an eyelid.

This already.

Actually, I am.

(surprised?)

As was linked many times at the start of this thread Abini arrived in Australia when he was 1.

Received his citizenship when he was 10. His family lived and worked in Australia and since they had arrived in Australia they had never left Australian shores. He went to school, pre school as well in Australia.

At 18 he was selected in an Australian U 20 squad, and he needed a transfer to be able to play.

The rule has been around for a very long time, Sports administrators trying to muddy the waters and make all sorts of excuses annoy me.

Its world wide practise …. There are roughly 210 FIFA nations and roughly 150 have a professional league of some sorts.

NZ is a first world nation and is suppose to have administrators capable of understanding the law…. As for those arguments that no one said anything before … no one normally checks it’s assumed you get it right…. To suggest otherwise is foolish in the extreme… tis only when you are challenged you need to prove it.

I have Abini. Yellow and Black and keeps my bald head warm at the Nix. Look out for me.

;) it hadn't escaped my attention, wasn't my spelling

Leave thread for two days...

... comes back and Bestie is still fudgeing rabbiting on.

Fiji might though...

welcome back. missed u

Wooo Hooo - Come back , all is forgiven

I'd take 5 pages of nufc over this cat.

I'd take 5 pages of nufc over this dork.

Fixed.

Stop giving him/her oxygen.