All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
Just to add. I hope its untrue that Wynn will be co-fronting the press conference when they get to Auckland. Not the place for a young kid. It is not his fault. This will be a bear pit. I'll bet some reporter will have already prepared a question for him "what does it feel like to have cost your team mates a chance at playing at the Olympics". The suits should front this. I will be interested in Hudsons response. He is a straight shooter.
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Just to add. I hope its untrue that Wynn will be co-fronting the press conference when they get to Auckland. Not the place for a young kid. It is not his fault. This will be a bear pit. I'll bet some reporter will have already prepared a question for him "what does it feel like to have cost your team mates a chance at playing at the Olympics". The suits should front this. I will be interested in Hudsons response. He is a straight shooter.
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From your comments I take it you didnt see the news this morning with the interviews from the airport.
Firstly Hudson looked and sounded like a coach with no intention of walking and the questions Wynn had were gentle. No bear pit in sight.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
Hudson would not answer any questions about the ineligibility ruling for legal reasons, but said at one point that he did believe everyone was eligible to play.
I guess there's still hope for us that we did have an exemption from FIFA for Wynn and no one at NZF is saying so because they don't want to jeopardise the appeal process
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Stuff have a different take:
Wynne was born in South Africa but moved to New Zealand with his family more than five years ago. With no birthright, and no family born in New Zealand, Wynne is required to live here continuously for five years after the age of 18 to qualify as an All White under Fifa rules. That is unless New Zealand Football made a request to Fifa to change Wynne's national association, a move players can request once before the age of 21 if they're eligible for more than one national team.
If that had happened, Vanuatu's protest would have been thrown out . It wasn"t.
NZF High performance director Fred de Jong, Oceania Football and the Vanuatu Football Federation did not return calls for comment.
Unless NZF has information they are yet to release, Oceania Football and Fifa's sanctions are clear in a case like this.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/701...
I'm not so sure Vanuatu's complaint would have been thrown out if we did have an exemption. I could see OFC trying to claim that he needed a separate exemption from OFC to participate in this tournament or something like that.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Hudson quoted on the news on the radio this morning as saying that while the legal process continues "we need to move on as a group". He's not wrong, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
Hudson quoted on the news on the radio this morning as saying that while the legal process continues "we need to move on as a group". He's not wrong, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
I saw the interview. I have been critical of him but he actually gave me some confidence that he can use this in a way to move forward. i guess its all in how we view things.
And out of those three, I hope that it is Fred that gets the chop
because of some man love for Mr Pickstock and Hudson I assume?
This is just the latest in a series of farces that FDJ has presided over. Not sure how many own goals he needs to score before he gets the shove. Such a shame because I used to enjoy watching him for the Kingz. Good feet for a big man.
I'm not on the defend FDJ boat (although Vader will say I am) - but i think any organisation which allows such continual cockups and general incompetance at most levels can't be blamed on one person. Something there needs a shake up and i prefer not to focus on the sacking of this person or this person because if that person did leave won't the next person be allowed to make the same mistakes?
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I know his tie to Ellerslie and yours so it is also reasonable as an associate, to perhaps look at his performance with rosier coloured eyes than others. I would ask to you, fairly, what has he done that's been good in his time there. He may have some wins, but you would not know it. Perhaps they are out of sight of the general public? I would actually like to hear them cause I want our high performance guy to be making positive differences.
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Giving the chance for a good case to be presented for FDJ, you have to say that a decent chunk of it does not look good but I do leave my ears open to hear the other side of it.
i'm not on here to defend him - i'm here saying if you sack him and Pickstock do you honestly believe that will turn around NZF - if not then are the problems deeper than them.
Personally like i said earlier NZF have been a shambles for a while and while FDJ in a lot of peoples eyes has not covered himself in roses the NZF office was not functioning before his reign either.
The amount of turnover of office staff there is pretty massive - every couple of years there is a cleanout of people, that can't be good - so what is the problem there, culture? accountability? pure arrogance?
So are you saying that FDJ shouldn't be sacked just because the problems might (probably do) run deeper than him? Because if he has done an awful job, and I think a lot of people on here believe he has, then he should walk no matter how deep the rot is.
http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-deklan-wynne-speaks-about-eligibility-saga-after-arriving-home-2015071407#axzz3fnxx2n6t
Time for some apologies to the fans.
The most scientific, the most professional era of #alignment and free flowing football.
So far we've got a loss to Thailand, severely pissing off FIFA top brass, pissing off OFC top brass and getting kicked out of the Olympics.
Apologies, abasement and some good football while everyone else is at the Olympics please!
With respect to "would Hudson walk?".
Well we have the answer to that question:
Hudson: "If you'd have asked me 24 hours ago, I would have been really saddened and disappointed. But as a coach ... when it's out of your control you have got to move on and pick the players up and this will prove to be a really huge moment for us."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/football-soccer/news/art...
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
FDJ is either in charge running the show or he isn't. If he's not, then what does he do and what is he for? Reality is organisation's dont fudge up, people do and NZF has had poor quality people high up for a long time
Normo's coming home
Trying to find a positive out of all this, at least it didn't happen after beating Iran 2-0 on aggregate in 2 years to book a place in Russia with Wynne playing LB in both games. You would hope that NZF now, if they weren't before, would be triple checking the eligibility of players to ensure that we don't see a repeat of this. Yes not making the Olympics is a massive blow to the build up to 2018, but at the end of the day making it to Russia is the goal, and Hudson will have to come up with a plan b for the build up towards achieving this.
If it turns out that there's a fax machine involved in this saga somewhere I think I will cry
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-coach-hudson-proud-of-oly-whites-despite-disqualification-2015071408?ref=video#axzz3fnxx2n6t
If it turns out that there's a fax machine involved in this saga somewhere I think I will cry
The fax have been hard to come by in this ordeal.
You probably have little to worry about.
A fan is a fan.
I'm not so sure Vanuatu's complaint would have been thrown out if we did have an exemption. I could see OFC trying to claim that he needed a separate exemption from OFC to participate in this tournament or something like that.
Not saying they wouldn't try to do that, but if we did have an exemption and that happened, then FIFA would show a lot more interest in this then they are right now.
And out of those three, I hope that it is Fred that gets the chop
because of some man love for Mr Pickstock and Hudson I assume?
This is just the latest in a series of farces that FDJ has presided over. Not sure how many own goals he needs to score before he gets the shove. Such a shame because I used to enjoy watching him for the Kingz. Good feet for a big man.
I'm not on the defend FDJ boat (although Vader will say I am) - but i think any organisation which allows such continual cockups and general incompetance at most levels can't be blamed on one person. Something there needs a shake up and i prefer not to focus on the sacking of this person or this person because if that person did leave won't the next person be allowed to make the same mistakes?
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I know his tie to Ellerslie and yours so it is also reasonable as an associate, to perhaps look at his performance with rosier coloured eyes than others. I would ask to you, fairly, what has he done that's been good in his time there. He may have some wins, but you would not know it. Perhaps they are out of sight of the general public? I would actually like to hear them cause I want our high performance guy to be making positive differences.
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Giving the chance for a good case to be presented for FDJ, you have to say that a decent chunk of it does not look good but I do leave my ears open to hear the other side of it.
i'm not on here to defend him - i'm here saying if you sack him and Pickstock do you honestly believe that will turn around NZF - if not then are the problems deeper than them.
Personally like i said earlier NZF have been a shambles for a while and while FDJ in a lot of peoples eyes has not covered himself in roses the NZF office was not functioning before his reign either.
The amount of turnover of office staff there is pretty massive - every couple of years there is a cleanout of people, that can't be good - so what is the problem there, culture? accountability? pure arrogance?
So are you saying that FDJ shouldn't be sacked just because the problems might (probably do) run deeper than him? Because if he has done an awful job, and I think a lot of people on here believe he has, then he should walk no matter how deep the rot is.
In view of that, most of the above has occurred under FDJ. In any other business, FDJ gets shown the door for not taking responsibility to sort his staff out or train staff that make errors or put systems, controls and process in place so errors stop. If you have a guy in your organisation and his department is continuously stuffing up, you ask questions of his management ability whether he made the mistakes, approved others making them or is blind to his department. That's not a which hunt, that's modern day business outside of NZF and you will have a hard time refusing that.
Would firing FDJ make a difference? I think it's fair to say probably not so we agree on that, but that can't be an excuse to say 'well he should just stay in the job'. Firing Blatter may not make a difference, but because of that, you can't let him stay in the job. Same same but different. Change for the better has to statr somewhere and at the moment, he is the common denominator in most of this faux pahs.
Grumpy old bastard alert
How pathetic is it calling an 11:30pm presser at the airport. If they had any guts they'd do it at 9am tomorrow. Such a childish play.
They have another press conference today - this was just to front the media and show their support for the team and player.
With no exemption I still can't figure out how he has been allowed to play for NZ at senior level and for he U20 at the world cup where surely eligibility would have been checked by Fifa and NZF.
Looking forward to us saying ok we fudged up, time t move on or something definitive coming from NZF which clears them.
We should not be surprised that FIFA are staying out of it. Them stepping in undermines OFC (like they need any help with that) It's like running to Dad when Mum says no. FIFA have confederations to sort this stuff for them regardless of the incompetence.
So effectively, what the keyboard detectives have discovered is true in that if you have a passport and no lineage, then you can't represent your new country until you are 23 - the kicker is that it's on the new countries FA to apply for an exemptions do showing just cause for it to be applied.
If I were NZF, I would be doing up a spread sheet with columns and checking off each players name in the u17s, 20s, 23s and AWs and any potentials. Now that this is fully exposed in the spot light, you can bet other FAs will come looking again in the future and we need to go back over every single player and ask the questions.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I am prepared to wait and hear all the facts before I pass judgement. Though its been hugely entertaining reading 30 pages of legalise and angst and rage.
I want NZF to show the FIFA clearance that they obtained for Wynn....either for the senior AW's or the U20's.
Because it seems to me that unless they can show that clearance then we are Toast. OFC kicked us out under a FIFA rule. We have to counter argue using FIFA's regulations. We can argue about unfair process or what ever but if we did not clear the player then I can't see what case we have to argue.
I don't have a good feeling about this at all. I think NZF has stuffed up. Its not Hudsons fault. He selects...the managers clear eligibility. if we lose this then its a massive setback for the AW program. The Olympics was Hudsons major plan to field a shadow AW team. I think he will seriously consider his further role. He is a young ambitious coach. He must now realise this region is an amateur joke.
If NZF did not have a proper process to clear eligibility for anyone selected for NZ, then heads should roll. The alarm bells should have rung when Hudson stated we would search the globe for players. Anyone who was not a NZer from birth should have been carefully checked out. At the moment I will give them the benefit of doubt. But I feel this is not going to end well.
I can't blame Vanuatu for the way they acted. However I have a real real problem with the way OFC is run and managed.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Hudson quoted on the news on the radio this morning as saying that while the legal process continues "we need to move on as a group". He's not wrong, but it doesn't inspire confidence.
I saw the interview. I have been critical of him but he actually gave me some confidence that he can use this in a way to move forward. i guess its all in how we view things.
I only heard him paraphrased on the radio so that's good to hear that you took something more positive from the interview. I meant that it doesn't inpsire confidence that the resutl will be overturned rather than doesn't inspire confidence in Hudson himself.
With no exemption I still can't figure out how he has been allowed to play for NZ at senior level and for he U20 at the world cup where surely eligibility would have been checked by Fifa and NZF.
Looking forward to us saying ok we fudged up, time t move on or something definitive coming from NZF which clears them.
The senior level was just friendlies, I'm not even sure that there are official delegates at those games to check the passport, let alone anything else.
And like I said previously, it's far from a straightforward task for FIFA to be checking eligibility of every single international player. The onus is on the national associations to comply with the regulations, and if they don't and get caught, they suffer the consequences.
Someone please tell me the Phoenix are going to be ok this season
They won 4-1 last night and didn't get disqualified, so that was nice.
They won 4-1 last night and didn't get disqualified, so that was nice.
Courtesy of a hatrick from a Fijian. Sign him up Anthony Hudson!
He's been here for over 5 years, and he's over 23, so he's definitely eligible.
I can't help thinking we're overlooking another rule on that one Boxey. Can't quite think what though.
I can't help thinking we're overlooking another rule on that one Boxey. Can't quite think what though.
Given exemption certificates and things would be confidential as between NZF and FIFA it's almost like someone with inside knowledge was interested in Anthony Hudson's team slipping on a banana skin.
Can't for the life of me think of anyone involved in an Island nation who would fit that bill.
Everyone talks in hushed tones but no one is saying 'I think so and so did it and here is reason a, b and c'
The 2 obvious ones, Ricki and Frank, Ricki would be very stupid to stab NZ in the back and Frank, how would he find out? He's usually in the bottom of the wine bottle to act coherently.
Conspiracy theory No. 333. Who might have an axe to grind? Possibly somebody who felt hard done by having been dumped from the U-20 coaching set-up at the eleventh hour spilled the beans on Wynne's questionable ineligibility? And maybe one or two OFC folk knew same during that tournament but chose to keep their powder dry? After all it would have been a v bad look to have the Oceania hosting nation so terribly embarrassed during such a prestigious tournament. But later, when your own country's team stands to get to Rio ... a different matter.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Trying to find a positive out of all this, at least it didn't happen after beating Iran 2-0 on aggregate in 2 years to book a place in Russia with Wynne playing LB in both games. You would hope that NZF now, if they weren't before, would be triple checking the eligibility of players to ensure that we don't see a repeat of this. Yes not making the Olympics is a massive blow to the build up to 2018, but at the end of the day making it to Russia is the goal, and Hudson will have to come up with a plan b for the build up towards achieving this.
Sorry that's not a positive
This is as big a fudge up as not qualifying for the confederations cup
Normo's coming home
This is as big a fudge up as not qualifying for the confederations cup
The thing is for Storm Roux to be eligible they must have applied for an exemption for him. How could they do it for him and not for Wynne?
Trying to find a positive out of all this, at least it didn't happen after beating Iran 2-0 on aggregate in 2 years to book a place in Russia with Wynne playing LB in both games. You would hope that NZF now, if they weren't before, would be triple checking the eligibility of players to ensure that we don't see a repeat of this. Yes not making the Olympics is a massive blow to the build up to 2018, but at the end of the day making it to Russia is the goal, and Hudson will have to come up with a plan b for the build up towards achieving this.
Sorry that's not a positive
This is as big a fudge up as not qualifying for the confederations cup
Given exemption certificates and things would be confidential as between NZF and FIFA it's almost like someone with inside knowledge was interested in Anthony Hudson's team slipping on a banana skin.
Can't for the life of me think of anyone involved in an Island nation who would fit that bill.
Everyone talks in hushed tones but no one is saying 'I think so and so did it and here is reason a, b and c'
The 2 obvious ones, Ricki and Frank, Ricki would be very stupid to stab NZ in the back and Frank, how would he find out? He's usually in the bottom of the wine bottle to act coherently.
Conspiracy theory No. 333. Who might have an axe to grind? Possibly somebody who felt hard done by having been dumped from the U-20 coaching set-up at the eleventh hour spilled the beans on Wynne's questionable ineligibility? And maybe one or two OFC folk knew same during that tournament but chose to keep their powder dry? After all it would have been a v bad look to have the Oceania hosting nation so terribly embarrassed during such a prestigious tournament. But later, when your own country's team stands to get to Rio ... a different matter.
I'm not saying that is what happened, just that there's no need to appeal to a massive conspiracy to fudge us over to explain how this could have happened.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Given exemption certificates and things would be confidential as between NZF and FIFA it's almost like someone with inside knowledge was interested in Anthony Hudson's team slipping on a banana skin.
Can't for the life of me think of anyone involved in an Island nation who would fit that bill.
Everyone talks in hushed tones but no one is saying 'I think so and so did it and here is reason a, b and c'
The 2 obvious ones, Ricki and Frank, Ricki would be very stupid to stab NZ in the back and Frank, how would he find out? He's usually in the bottom of the wine bottle to act coherently.
Conspiracy theory No. 333. Who might have an axe to grind? Possibly somebody who felt hard done by having been dumped from the U-20 coaching set-up at the eleventh hour spilled the beans on Wynne's questionable ineligibility? And maybe one or two OFC folk knew same during that tournament but chose to keep their powder dry? After all it would have been a v bad look to have the Oceania hosting nation so terribly embarrassed during such a prestigious tournament. But later, when your own country's team stands to get to Rio ... a different matter.
I'm not saying that is what happened, just that there's no need to appeal to a massive conspiracy to fudge us over to explain how this could have happened.
Yeah I know. But a good conspiracy theory on a football fan forum isn't so bad a thing.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Unless the OFC officials are different OFC officials than the ones on the PG Disciplinary Committee - we are fighting a symbolic battle - the last resort is the World Sport Court -
The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS; French: Tribunal arbitral du sport, TAS) is an international quasi-judicial body established to settle disputes related to sport. Its headquarters are in Lausanne (Switzerland) and its courts are located in New York, Sydney and Lausanne. Temporary courts are established in current Olympic host cities.
Unsure if we would go here - but - they do specialize in Olympic disputes
- does anyone know if a ruling has been over turned and a final replayed
- or would this be a world first if the U23 Olywhites got a 2nd chance?
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
I don't know the background to Storm Roux, but didn't that guy play Mexico in the second leg of the last World Cup qualifiers? Assuming he is the same deal as Wynne, did we approach FIFA and get clearance for him?
NZ football needs to come clean on all of this.
How's this one for complicated "blood links" to a country and "passport sagas" - brought to you by the land of Ireland and arbitrated by the Court for Sport.
In 2010, the Irish Football Association (the association of Northern Ireland) took its case to CAS after FIFA failed to prevent the Football Association of Ireland (the association of the Republic of Ireland) from selecting Northern Irish-born players who had no blood link to the Republic.[11] The CAS ruled in favour of the FAI and FIFA by confirming that they were correctly applying the regulations.[12]
I love you Ireland - you put everyone's problems into perspective - plus you gave us "Hand of Frog" (which FIFA paid off the Irish, for their bad)
"Ufuk with the Club, Ufuk with the Country".
If your girlfriend's got gloves, she's a keeper.
